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What do you think?

Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the good "ol days or is it business as usual?

Unfortunately, I think the best of San Jose..... girls, girls, girls is behind us.

With the US economy in the tank, and other shaky business world wide and the availablilty of girls through social media outlets on the Internet, I believe we'll be seeing some big changes in "Gringo Gulch" in the months to come....

Quit worrying so much and go getlaid. Nothing overall is going to change in CR. The girls i know in SJ have no computer skills at all. They just work.

No, I don't think the end is near, but just like in the US, "change" is imminent.

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I really do not see any major differences. All the places that were here in 2005 when I started are still around and some have grown dramatically like the Sportsmens. The grand effect of quarterly raids is a momentary inconvenience. Unless they change a law on prostitution and shut down the MPs or the Rey, I do not see any real change.

As to guys wishing for the good old days, I really believe that for many of us the CRT/Costa Rica experience has a lifecycle to it where our perception changes way more than the locale. I deal with a lot of first time customers and they feel as wildly blown away as we did when we were new. I think the natural tendency is to eventually get to "been there, done that" stage and look for new adventures.

BKTUNA/Boyd
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good replies from the 3 who posted, so much would change if the D.R. was to close down just like most businesses I would like to see their year to date sales vs last year or 2 years ago. What would you think they are down 20% or more ....in drink sales, hotel rooms, food sales and chica fees. Gambling profits could be helping since they opened the new room but without the D.R. in place it would change the whole experience for us ...even if you hate the place ...it would be the end of san jose for guys like us if it was shut down.

Chili,

One of the reasons we are opening the new lounge is to provide another venue with independent girls as an alternative to the current places. We will be open late 3-4 am, We have seating for 160 and should be able to handle 300 in total. The main bar and lounge is one big room, where everyone can see the music and the girls. We will be actively recruiting the best independent talent possible. Our target is to offer a great bar/lounge experience with girls, music, sports and gambling.

As we get closer to our opening date, we will making a number of announcements on event schedules, format and more. Our intent is to build something specifically to entertain the CRT crowd.

BKTUNA/Boyd
I amnever going home

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i think 83% of us just need beer, tits and a few holes, and we will be entertained

That is an interesting thesis and it does have some merit. But lets consider it more carefully:

1) Posit: IF the HDR were to close down it would change the whole experience for MANY of us. However, that is a big IF. It is certainly POSSIBLE it could close down. It may even be PROBABLE that its business has been seriously impacted by this perfect storm of economic downturn in the home country of its principle clientele, growing resentment by the local population and increased harassment by the new Chinchilla administration, the police and other government bureacracies. Of course, that may just mean they're now only able to make a 5-10% ROI instead of their usual 50-100% (or whatever it was) . And, though possibly severely hurt by all of that or even MAYBE now operating in the red, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be forced to shut down entirely. It is just as possible they'll just try to hold on until the pendulum swings the other way, which is just as likely or even more likely an ultimate outcome.

2) Posit: Despite the arguments laid out above, say the HDR actually DOES close down. Things would certainly be different in the Gulch but IMHO mongering it is higly unlikely that mongering in CR would completely shrivel up and die? We happen to have a somewhat similar recent turn of events in another major mongering destination with the closure of the Helpe Disco in Rio. Arguably, Helpe represented the Rio mongering scene in a similar way to the way the HDR represents the SJ mongering to the masses worldwide. Each are (or were) virtually synonymous with mongering in their respective cities. Of course, Rio still has its Termas in much the same way SJ still has its MP's (as embattled as many of them also happen to be), but for the average Joe sitting at home in the US and contemplating his first international mongering trip, each of these places have represented the ground zero or cornerstone of any trip to these 2 places. CR also seems to be suffering from a incredibly hostile administration but Rio has been suffering from an incredibly weak dollar vs. the real, so that each have other factors working against. But look at how Rio has held up as a mongering destination. At least for its vets and longtime proponents it is still a great place to go, perhaps not as great as it was in its heyday, but it still has the hot garotas and the guys who love them.

3) This brings me to my COUNTER prediction: Let's posit that CM is absolutely right, that the HDR closes up shop and that hundred if not thousands of former SJ mongerers or would-be SJ newbies decide to go elsewhere that seems more welcoming (all of which are still big IF's at this point). The first ones to be scared off by recent events and discouraged from coming will probably be the ones who only know the HDR and pay cien for chicas there any way. IMHO, the CR mongering scene could definitely do without those guys anyway (Although hopefully those big-tipping cien-spending guys won't find their way over to the more reasonably priced tico MP's as a side effect of the well-intentioned but possibly misguided actions of BB57 and others).

Let's even also posit that, due to immigration enforcement and the downturn in business due to venue closures and economically constrained gringos not spending enough money in CR (or even just scared off by the unwelcoming gestures of the current CR administration), most Colombianas and even many of the Nicas and chicas from other countries decide to return home or go elsewhere to ply their trade (also big IF's). There will always STILL be plenty of local ticas and even many foreign chicas who will try to pry the trade in CR out of economic and geographic necessity. For an analogy here, one only has to look at the US which has become a lot less welcoming to illegal immigrants in the last couple of years and with a lot fewer jobs for them, and yet we STILL have our problems with illegals who stay here in the US and even continue to come. Can anyone really expect CR to be any more successful dealing with their own problem of illegal immigrants?

Of course, these foreign and local chicas who seek out foreign mongerers will have to work different and possibly much more spread out and diverse places if ground zero closed down, but they'll still be able to be found SOMEWHERE. It may be newer venues like the SL, the HLH or yet to be ones like the Dunn Inn, or if those are still too conspicuous it might be the little hole-in-the-wall tico MP's. And if those are still too high profile it might be picking obvious working girls up at regular nightclubs like those found at El Pueblo or even off the street or in shops.

So, even if there are fewer girls, because many of the foreign ones are driven off, there will also be fewer guys, because so many will not be able to envision a SJ without the HDR, and that could actually mean a BETTER ratio of available women for each guy who still comes.

Change, or at least radical change, is not necessarily inevitable. And even if it is, it does not necessarily make things WORSE, just different. Of course, if radical change does come, the overall balance of pros and cons of CR vs. alternative mongering destinations will change along with it. Some guys will be able to adjust and accept or even embrace the changes in CR, while others won't or at that point would simply prefer to move on to somewhere else that they now prefer more. I suspect for very few of us will this mean the end is near for mongering ANYWHERE. In fact, I suspect that this might be the impetus for many of us to do what we probably should have been doing all along which is to try out other places that may have been in many ways as good or even better than CR has been. And, IMHO, that would also certainly be a good thing.

Keep it simple. It is called the worlds oldest proffesion for a reason. It ain't going no where. But I do think as the first poster said it will be changeing in presintation. In the states Our president said that we can not expect the rest of the world to keep letting us use 25% of the worlds resourse. I take that to mean we in the states should plan on our government trying to bring the world standard of living to balance. So, The worlds oldest proffession will survive and get by on 5% of the worlds wealth here. And them girls will use the current technolgy to market thier products just like they always have. So, as said yes change is coming. I am looking forward to being able to put a helmet on and looking down at a 14 inch dick that is sliding in and out of a spinner who is still going more POPI, MORE. Some chick will have to make the show. And I will have to pay. I guess it will not have changed that much.

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Good points made by all. One thing I would differ with Pro. on is that Costa Rica DOES make a serious attempt to enforce thier immigration laws through racial profiling which will never be tolarated in the good old USA.

to those that wish/think or want the del rey to close your delusional not going to happen.IMHO Tuna when will your lounge be opening?

We are shooting for mid October at this point. Place is looking great, if anyone is in town stop by for a tour,

BKTUNA/Boyd
I am never going home

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I doubt that the HDR will close and really have no feeling either way on whether it should or not. What difference will it make if it closes? I started going to San Jose before the HDR existed. There were sufficient venues to find eager women then and if the HDR folded tomorrow there would spring up plenty of places to take up the slack.

The opening of the HDR was not the beginning of San Jose as a monger destination and its closing would not be the end of it as a monger destination IMO.

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Boyd,
Any info on the 4 suites that are going to be added. Sq. footage, jacuzzi, pricing? I would expect they would open at the same time as the casino?

I agree with ID completely on this. I never meant to come off like I thought, wished or wanted the HDR to close. I rarely pick up chicas there any more any way and mostly see it as a place to hang with my buds and enjoy watching the circus scene unfold before me. I don't think it really matters that much one way to the continuance of CR mongering whether it continues to exist or not (though I think it likely will), so I don't really care that much one way or the other what happens to it either.

In fact, in my first bullet point, I stated that the HDR closing was "a big IF" and that I actually thought it was "even more likely" that the current situation would ultimately turn around. Then, in my second bullet point, I only SPECULATED what MIGHT happen with SJ mongering EVEN IF the HDR did happen to close down and suggested that, based on a similar situation elsewhere, mongering would most likely continue in CR, albeit perhaps somewhat impeded and tarnished for some mongers. Only in my last bullet point did I suggest that in SOME ways things MIGHT actually be better without the HDR dominating the picture. However, that wasn't at all meant to suggest that I wished or wanted the HDR to close, only that its closing (again IF that were to happen), would not be an entirely negative thing that the henny-penny sky-is-falling crowd seem to believe.

ID is absolutely right that mongering existed in some format prior to the HDR being the big K*D on the block. But it is also probably fair to say that it did not thrive like it does now with the huge influx of foreign chicas from neighboring countries like Nicaragua, Colombia and even far off DR. Sure some were here but the sheer numbers are far greater now (along with the number of gringo mongers coming down to pursue them). Does that mean that the HDR CAUSED that huge growth in the market OR that its own growth in business merely PARALLELED (and were actually caused by) the changes in the market that have been going on over the past decade and a half? Its the classic "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" question. Perhaps it was a little of both, with both the mongering market in SJ in general and in the HDR in particular helping to fuel each other. However, I think the REAL factor that accounts for CR becoming the mongering destination that it has was not so much the HDR as it was simply the growth of the Internet and the spreading of knowledge about international mongering opportunities, particularly in this relatively stable and friendly country just a 2 hour flight from the US. If anything is going to diminish mongering in CR, it won't be the disappearance of one venue, even one as central currently to SJ mongering as the HDR. Like a double-edged sword, the same thing that really fueled the growth of mongering in SJ, the Internet, is leading would-be and existing mongers to learn of other mongering opportunities elsewhere (including sometimes even right back at home) which may have become better options for many of those guys. But even as some of these guys grow bored or see better opportunites elsewhere, there will also always be some who stay behind, sometimes even those guys who have been there from the beginning and seen things come and go, rise and fall and are not as so disturbed by the changes they see.