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Author:  Bilko [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:  The Gym Killer

I don't know how many have been following the story of George Sodini, who killed 3 women and wounded 9 others in a fitness center near Pittsburgh and the blog he kept about his rage at women for his inability to 'make a connection' with any attractive women.

For some reason, it brought to mind some of the misogynistic posts I have seen on CRT from time to time. A certain amount of mongers have a love/hate relationship with women. They love the sex part but hate the rest. It's more complicated than that, of course, but what struck me about Sodini is that he blamed women for his lack of success. He blamed the entire gender, but mostly the attractive ones, since he didn't care about anybody his own age (well maybe Cindy Crawford would have passed his muster).

For those of us (all of us here) who have discovered that paying for sex is a reasonable alternative to taking whomever is willing and available (on their terms), such a violent and psychopathic act seems not only horrific, but needless. But I have the feeling that if Sodini had come down for a monger visit, he would either have been a total fool for some predator or his creepy personality would have screwed things up.

Anyone who has seen pictures of him can tell he was quite decent looking. But to quote John Lennon, 'one thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside.' Lots of the CRT members I have met are truly smooth and charming with women and have chosen the p4p route not out of desperation but for very sound reasons. I have met some others that are socially awkward or downright weird. I have met guys whose hostility towards women is scary. I'm not sure what my point is, maybe it's just that before we take a negative attitude to all women (or even all gringas) we should take a long look inside ourselves and ask if the problem might not be just a TINY bit within ourselves too?

Author:  J0sie [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:53 pm ]
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I have been following the story and like you have met many good guys and some that are just plain weird. The ones that really get under my skin are the weaklings. On their fist trip to CR and they are already looking at property to buy. Not as an investment but for P4P consideration only. But like they said a fool and his money …

Author:  El Ciego [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:50 pm ]
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Based on what I perceive to be Sedini's personality, coming to C.R. would have done him no good at all. In fact, the mercenary nature of the transaction would have verified his anger toward women.

Sedini wanted to score without compromise, as his blog shows. He was unwilling to accept that there might be very good reasons that women would not go with him.

Prostitutes would have proven his assertion that all women are in it for personal gain, that they have no real love to give...and furthermore, he would be wounded that he had to pay for something that he felt was his birthright, free of charge.

Prostitution is no panacea. It can be wonderful recreation, but it can also be humiliating in a way, especially for those men who "have to" pay for it.

I'll never forget encountering a real bad one at the del Rey. He nearly shoved us aside entering the west door. I was told by a fellow CRT'er who observed him, that the farther he made it around the circuit, the more tense and angry he became.

We saw him just as he was ready to leave the south door. He was muttering, not quite under his breath...

"They're all dirty whores. Just dirty whores. phucking dirty bitches...." etc.

To say the chicas gave him wide berth is a gross understatement. Per my wingman, one of them even made the Sign of the Cross after he passed her with a baleful glare.

Misogyny and true, active hatred for women are evidenced by many in our hobby. It seems to me, from my experience that the most misogynistic among us are those who proclaim most loudly that "it's only and all about the money." YMMV, of course... these are just the perceptions of a blind man in the midst of a sea filled with dollar-hungry sharks, who will mate with men before slowly killing them. :wink:

Author:  Mucho Gusto [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:44 am ]
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I'm sorry, and many may disagree with me - but this guy was a phucking low-life, piece of shit, whining little coward! There is no possible way to justify what he did. The only thing positive that came out of this - was that he killed himself. But that's it! He was nothing but a coward! :x :evil: I don't care how phucked up in the head you are - you don't walk into a fitness center (or any place for that matter) and try to shoot and kill as many women as you can. I get furious just thinking about it.... :evil: Phuck him and I hope he's rotting in hell right now! :x

Author:  DrForm [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:29 am ]
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Mucho Gusto wrote:
There is no possible way to justify what he did. :x
Agreed....Going Postal is something that i have never understood.....Life can be difficult but going on a killing spree is not right.Imagine the pain of the families that lose loved ones when someone decides to go postal!

Author:  Mucho Gusto [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:34 am ]
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DrForm wrote:
Mucho Gusto wrote:
There is no possible way to justify what he did. :x
Agreed....Going Postal is something that i have never understood.....Life can be difficult but going on a killing spree is not right.Imagine the pain of the families that loose loved ones when someone decides to go postal!

Thank you DrForm.

I know a lot of guys may be able to "relate" to this jack-off, and can almost understand why he did what he did. But I don't buy it. Shit, we all have various problems and stress-related issues in our every day lives. But going into a building and purposely gunning down innocent, defenseless women ? Just because they're women ?? I'll say it again.... PHUCK HIM ! :evil: :evil:

Author:  VegasBob [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:43 am ]
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With over 20,000 contributors to this board,which is dedicated to having sex with younger women, if you think they all are normal,well adjusted men, then it's YOU that is phucked up. The guy sharing an Imperial with you today could possibly be the next psycho. There are ONLY two normal people here in Costa Rica ........and I'm not sure about you. lol

Author:  J0sie [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:45 am ]
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Vegas Bob wrote:
With over 20,000 contributors to this board,which is dedicated to having sex with younger women, if you think they all are normal,well adjusted men, then it's YOU that is phucked up. The guy sharing an Imperial with you today could possibly be the next psycho. There are ONLY two normal people here in Costa Rica ........and I'm not sure about you. lol


Truer words cannot be said! Houston, we got a winner.

Author:  Pacifica55 [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:01 am ]
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Completely agree, MG. No excuse.

I haven't read this guys blog but this seems to me to be an example of what can happen when someone is raised without a clue as to how men and women work. I think we will see more of this kind of tragedy as women become the only voice on how to treat women.

In my opinion, women raising boys in the absence of a strong male presence is the beginning of this tragedy: The worst possible advice on dealing with women we receive from our mothers. Mothers want their boys to see women as nurturing and caring people who always need to be treated with utmost respect, that women are weaker and deserve our deference due to their sex alone.

Strong male role models tell their sons that women are more than Mothers and nurturers, they are also physical, sexual and not better than men, just different. Without these balancing distinctions, young men see women as above them, out of reach of mere mortals, something to be placed on a pedestal.

When such a young man runs into his first "bitch shield" (that technique that women use to quickly sort out insecure males) they fold and get the impression that women think they are better than men and that women are unapproachable except with flowers and candy, hat in hand, hoping for a hint of approval. In other words, the Titanic approach, doomed to sink from the first wetting.

Very sad and completely unnecessary.

Author:  El Ciego [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:21 am ]
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MG, Forn, Pac...

Absolutely agree on all points. My post above was not an attempt to excuse the guy, rather it was a statement that even good times with hookers would not have killed the snakes living in this guy's skull.

Vegas Bob - Define normal. :lol: Does normal include guys who carefully dispose of their Stateside lives, move to Costa Rica and start banging hookers as their bodies race toward andropause? Does "normal" include guys who spend a few hours each day discussing everything from prostitutes to fishing to cigars to psycho killers?

I am proud to be abnormal. :twisted: OTOH, wasting innocent people is not part of my makeup.

Low life piece of shit, indeed, MG. :evil: I don't know about Heaven or Hell...but if they exist, I firmly believe this guy is on the elevator down.....

Author:  El Ciego [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: States in Spates

Greengo wrote:
This type of overfocused and public airing of self perceived(projected) behavior is usually indicative of a cerebral anomaly of some sort...magnifying and splitting the usual components of compulsion and doubt into an array of prismic awareness not as easily deciphered and modulated by the frontal lowbee woe bees...a low grade serial killer without the focus and testosterone...inthuhlect...or openly promiscuous taunting mother with a penchant for leaving him caked in his own excrement for weeks.. the real "pinto" :lol: of pyschopaths :lol: the lazer guided "dumb bum" :shock: his therapy,,,,eaten alive by nibbling goats while "one eyed one horned flying purple people eater",,,alley oop.. and "beep beep" play on swirling leslie ghettoblasters with cracked utah speakers........ in counterpoint to his humming in 3rd harmonic knashing nubian nibblers...if this proves ineffective...a constant loop of the mind and pysche numbing am costa ricas "living in costa rica" where the living is good ......as a last terrifying resort.....of beyond the pale.. cruel and unusal therapuking rehabilitation :shock:


Such a vivid description of a psychotic break can only be written by one who has heard the same novelty songs played through rotary cabinets and broken cones. Man, I do want to meet you when I'm in town Aug. 24 - September 9. :!:

Author:  JazzboCR [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:21 pm ]
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When reading the title of this Thread, I had doubts about it's value. Shame on me. This is one of the more valuable Topics in a while--it's so horrific that it's polarizing. I thought Brother Bilko's introduction had special value but all contributions were good and what can you say about the insider viewpoint of Greengo (that Brother El C didn't)?

Author:  Haywood Jablommi [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:39 am ]
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There was nothing normal about this guy. He killed some innocent women because he could not get laid?
In most of the nations of the world , people who realize how pathetic they are kill themselves as it should be.
In the US they massacre others before themselves. All part of the " poor me, I am a victim mentality."
This guy's karmic debt will have him reborn again and again in many sexless lifetimes. Phuck em.
Some people should not breed or mate.

Author:  Zippy [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:05 am ]
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Some real sick pups in this world :( ! Hate is such a horrible emotion contained in all of us to some degree but why on Gods Earth take it out on others...I will never understand. Just go kill yourself if life is that bad one would think.

El Ciego & MG I could not agree more with your posts!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8264736&page=1

I avoid hate filled people like the plague. Nothing good comes from these types & generally there is little fix for them. So sad for these innocent women & their families.

Author:  Chi_trekker [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Gym Killer

Bilko wrote:
I don't know how many have been following the story of George Sodini, who killed 3 women and wounded 9 others in a fitness center near Pittsburgh and the blog he kept about his rage at women for his inability to 'make a connection' with any attractive women.

For some reason, it brought to mind some of the misogynistic posts I have seen on CRT from time to time. A certain amount of mongers have a love/hate relationship with women. They love the sex part but hate the rest. It's more complicated than that, of course, but what struck me about Sodini is that he blamed women for his lack of success. He blamed the entire gender, but mostly the attractive ones, since he didn't care about anybody his own age (well maybe Cindy Crawford would have passed his muster).

For those of us (all of us here) who have discovered that paying for sex is a reasonable alternative to taking whomever is willing and available (on their terms), such a violent and psychopathic act seems not only horrific, but needless. But I have the feeling that if Sodini had come down for a monger visit, he would either have been a total fool for some predator or his creepy personality would have screwed things up.

Anyone who has seen pictures of him can tell he was quite decent looking. But to quote John Lennon, 'one thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside.' Lots of the CRT members I have met are truly smooth and charming with women and have chosen the p4p route not out of desperation but for very sound reasons. I have met some others that are socially awkward or downright weird. I have met guys whose hostility towards women is scary. I'm not sure what my point is, maybe it's just that before we take a negative attitude to all women (or even all gringas) we should take a long look inside ourselves and ask if the problem might not be just a TINY bit within ourselves too?


A long time ago, I met a CRT guy who took a girl upstairs at the DR. An hour later, he came down and looked scared and a little shook up. He disappeared. So, when the girl appeared, I asked her what happened. She said after sex, he started calling me a slut and a whore and then told her to get the phuck out of the room. Then he tried forcing her out of the room without paying. She fought back and said she punched him in the eye.

The guy seemed normal and I even gave him a card with my email before the incident. I surprisingly got an email from him a month later. Again, he seemed fairly normal... just asking what was up. So, I asked him about the incident and I never heard from him again. Guess he figured he was busted.

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