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When there is a shortage of customers, why don't the girls lower their prices?

If you accept the idea that there are girls working the DR, SL and KL who 'strike out' many nights, then the question often arises as to why they don't lower their prices? Here is my take on it.

First of all, it's not true that girls are not lowering prices. Some girls are. The Del Rey Barbie you have your eyes on may be firm on her $100+ price, but there are plenty of girls who will settle for $80, $60, $40 and even less. Do you want them? Likely not. But I believe in general, the median price has gone down. You may not want the 'median' girl, but her price is not likely to be stuck at $100.

But let's take the case of those who will not lower their prices. First of all are psychological and social reasons. Plenty of these girls have egos that are inflated or overly fragile. In either case, accepting a 'cheap' offer does their self image harm. Then there is peer pressure. Anybody who knows much about 'the scene' knows that you don't try to cut a deal with her in front of other chicas. If you are able to get her bargained down 20% or 40%, she will often ask you to promise NEVER to tell anyone else she went for a discount. She doesn't want the other girls to know because it lowers her in their eyes. They don't want other mongers to know because it lowers her bargaining position.

Another factor is distaste for her job. She may know that she could do 3 guys for $40 and make more than 1 guy at $100, but she just doesn't WANT to do 3 guys instead of 1 for a $20 dollars more. Another reason she may not budge is that she doesn't get good vibes from YOU. Good vibes in this case means the overall feeling she gets from a potential customer. The physical things are obvious. Smell, appearance, weight, age... all that and whatever else. The psychological part is something much harder to describe, but the girls have their sensors highly attuned to whether this potential customer is likely to be a good experience, or something less. If she gets bad vibes, her price can go through the roof.

There are also economic reasons as well. The demand side is relatively fixed, in terms of maximum number of 'sales' that can be made on a given night in a given place. If there are a hundred guys in a place, maybe 75 will actually pull the trigger, and I am being generous here. Those 75 are not going to increase substantially if prices dropped by half. There may be a few guys who do an extra girl because it's so cheap, but the total amount spent on a given night is unlikely to increase by lowering prices. The contrary is true, actually. If prices were cut in half, there might be more 'sessions' but the amount spent total would probably be less. At $50 a pop, 100 guys spend 5000. At $80 a pop, 70 guys will spend $5600. Less work, more money. This is at the group level, of course. Individually a girl may be able to corner more than her share by undercutting her competetion. For a girl to do this successfully, though, she has to:

* resist or ignore peer pressure
* have a healthy sense of self worth
* not care that word will get around and nobody will offer her top price anymore
* not care how many dicks she has to suck to make a living
* not care whos dick she sucks

Rather than write a book about the subject, I'll leave it there for now.

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Pretty good summation, Bilko.

I'd surmise that they also bank on the fact that if the guy has another drink or two, he won't care as much about trying to knock down the price.

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I completely agree, Bilko. Great summation.

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Awesome post Bilko

I am a classic oversimplifier, always have been...to that end, How about another reason for not lowering prices in SOME cases is....

If you never swing for a home run, you will never hit one....ie: if the chica(s) are not on the lookout for the supreme suckers (paying over cien and much higher), maybe they never find them. If a chica offers $60 out of the box, will she land the big, dream RFM fish? Just a thought....

Nicely done Bilko

I have a question/different perspective. Despite the economic woes, don't you think some chicas base their price on the interest the monger has to her?

To explain further; A chica engages a mongers eyes from across the room. He smiles, she reciprocates. Moments later he walks up and introduces himself and small banter begins.

During this time, do you think a chica is gauging the sexual interest the monger has in her and sets her price accordingly i.e. (chica) "this guy REALLY wants to hook up with me, so I can get cien".

Your post was spot on, but I wanted to add this perspective to get some thoughts.

Cujo

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Good job Bilko. Interesting analysis. It is evident you have done a lot of thinking about this.

I dont know where you guys are finding these girls that are stuck on getting $100. I'm not opposed to cien, as I'd pay it if I think its worth it, but I havent paid it in 2 years. And I've taken some stunners, including an 18 yr old colombiana spinner who turned every head on a Saturday night at the DR. I took her for $70, just 2 months ago.

I'm beginning to think that cien is just a myth, that it doesnt even exist anymore.

Your right on Cujo! They sum us up as quick as possible. That's exactly why it's best to take your time and have some fun. Let her know that your interested but not in a hurry. Maybe something else will catch your interests and bye bye betty. They need to know that we're all summing them up as well. I don't speak the best Spanish but I have gotten better at listening.

Ha, that's what the gringas wanted too, someone who would listen. But I digress.

If I take my time, play it right and also be respectful, I usually end up with a great party and situation that most times last all night (TLN).

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Nice slant Cujo....I think that is exactly what they are doing, sizing us up. Trying to finger out what the best opening offer should be....too eager, cien...lukewarm, $70 (or whatever).

Here is the trick, IMHO. Finding the perfect balance between acting "as cool as the other side of the pillow" in a "target rich environment", and just enough interest/ charm/ wit to "bait the hook". THAT is the fun part to me. Especially when the joint is jumping and "the one dujour" walks in the door!

One reason I haven't seen mentioned so far for them charging cien - most of the time, they're getting it without too much hassle. One has to remember that probably 80% or more of the monger population of the Del Rey at any given time consists of guys who just heard of Costa Rica, never mongered outside the U.S. before, and certainly never paid a hooker less than $300 if they've engaged in PFP at all. So the idea of sticking their dick in some hot-looking, bolt-on sporting, gum smacking chica for a mere $100 - ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Deal of the century...

Fortunately, most of these guys also haven't heard of Sportsmen's yet, where only the most ambitious still charge and have any success with milking $100 out of anyone for a session...

Bilko,
That is a well thought out post. I'd definitely agree thosee first 2 psychological and social reasons. I'd also agree with the 3rd economic explanation at least so far as the chicas might BELIEVE that to be the case if they ever gave it that much thought. The concept that you were describing was not something new that you just thought up. It is what is known by economists as price inelasticity (relatively large changes in price cause relatively small changes in quantity meaning big price drop does not increase quantity enough to offset loss of unit revenue). However, the example numbers you gave are just that - examples - and you provided no proof or logic to show that the market would really work that way in ACTUALITY if/when it is ever put into PRACTICE. Regardless of what some chicas BELIEVE (or can manage to understand because lowering prices to make more money is naturally counterintuitive) it is just as possible that the opposite is try - that prices are actually elastic and a relatively small drop in price can lead to a relatively large increase in business that can more than make up for it.

Speaking just for myself, for any particular girl I'd say I'm probably much more than twice as likely to session with her if she reduces her price to $50 rather than stick to $100. I'll pay marginally more for a session with a HDR/BM chica that is marginally better than a good MP session, but why would I pay more than double? Even the HDR/BM chicas price is a little more than $50, say $60 or $70, I'm much more likely to go for her than if she sticks to cien por hora. And I'm sure there are tons of other guys like me who have no problem paying $70 night after night but who only rarely if ever pay $100. Going on that basis, if there are a dozen or more guys who would pay $70 for every guy that would go for $100 and a chica could hook up with one of those guys within an hour of entering the bar over a 12 hour shift while it might take her all night to find that cien guy, even if she only stayed long enough to hook up with a quarter of them, she could easily more than double her income by lowering her price just 30%.

Tstef527,
I also like your baseball analogy and agree one should occasionally go for all the marbles. The problem is that you don't want to do that EVERY TIME you go up to bat.

Jadcujo,
Your point is also very good. Appearing over-eager always weakens a person's bargaining position. And these chicas are no lightweights when it comes to bargaining. They'll take advantage of any perceived weakness on the part of their mark.

CLN20,
If you haven't paid cien in 2 years, it is only because you've moved on whenever a chica wouldn't budge on price and found another that would. Of course, there are chicas that DO lower prices. Certainly most of the lesser quality ones but also the occasional stunner. What Bilko's post was about was that there are plenty of Del Rey Barbies who WON'T lower their price from cien. And if you read more carefully you'd see that his analysis was only taking "the case of those who will not lower their prices"

Bilko-

Many won't lower their prices because they just don't think the way we do, regardless of how much we think they should or might if they were smart or even well educated. They haven't been raised with economics in mind. It simply doesn't occur to them the way it does for us. I mean here in the States, look at what many of the big companies have done to create any kind of sale, e.g, Hyundai will let you miss three payments and/or anytime within a year you lose your job, you can give the car back with no penalty to your credit. Car companies have zero percent financing, employee pricing, longer terms etc., all with the idea of moving inventory and at least, hopefully, a small profit and hope for volume to make up the diff. All kinds of merchandisers here want more sales in these tough times so most are aware of volume x lower price will help make it through. I would think that the chicas, in most cases, do not have the slightest grasp of this. Theirs is a NOW mentality for cien and tomorrow will take care of itself. Even though the reasons you mention are quite valid, most have never had econ 101 and IMO this concept of less $$$ x more volume would be better never really enters their mind. Pride and saving face, as we know, is a BIG deal with these ladies. As we also know, many guys do not belong to CRT and like it or not, they do brag to their friends who then tell other chicas that so and so gave it away for this price and then the gal loses face etc and is even MORE determined to not budge on price.

Personally, cien doesn't bother me so long as it comes with more time. Last time there in Nov I spent cien or a bit more but always had at least three hours or TLN each time. True, most were 6-8's, but for me attitude has always trumped price, and I find it to be a win-win situation in that she gets her beloved cien and I get lots more time. To me, attitude, not price is the determining factor, econ 101 or not..

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Great logical assumptions and evaluations in why a chica will not lower their price. I don’t think it will be much contention on why or how this is happening. I have always tried to concentrate on things that I can have some influence or control over. Chica mentality will never be one of those but I can concentrate on services and what I do get for my money.

This is the time we should not be hearing that “no bbbj” or “no kissing” or “anal”. This is the times that like the example about car sales; we get all the extras with extra time and pops. Anything else and you are not getting your money's worth. Is time to use the current environment to our advantage and make every chica encounter a memorable one. In this environment, GFE should be a starting point not a goal.

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I am not an economist and just thinking out loud here. I wasn't trying to prove a new economic theory. I am giving my best shot of explaining something that I have been asked over and over.

Now, as far as you PERSONALLY go, in your negotiations, etc, I agree that individual girls who take less (given equal quality, whatever that is) will have more customers. 3 at $70 will yield more than 2 at $200.

But my point was that on a group level, the 'customer' pool has been reduced by 3, not 2. The customer pool has a limit, that is, there are a limited number of sessions in whatever group of mongers is out there. It's almost like a strike breaker. He (she) can do better than those who are holding out for a higher wage, but when the strike is all over and the new lower wage becomes the norm, combined income is down. I don't say that the girls are consciously thinking this way, but I do believe that they understand that if it comes down to a price war, they all lose. All the other reasons (and some more mentioned by others, and some more we probably haven't even thought of) go into their behavior. I am explaining the behavior not trying to spread economic theories. It doesn't matter if my theories of economics are right or wrong. If a girl acts from her perception of economics then that's what's happening. If you invest stocks based on your belief in Ron Paul and Peter Schiff, then you profit or lose regardless of whether you are right or wrong.

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