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Author:  Cujo's [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:31 am ]
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Just wanted to mention what a difference just a year makes at the DR. Obviously I'm not saying anything new here at all, but I feel I need to say that it isn't the candy store it once was.

I will get around to a trip report soon enough (a short version anyway)

Now more than ever (as if it were possible) guys, learn as much Spanish as you can, keep yourself in decent shape, and carry yourself well. Pickins can be pretty slim, get all your squares filled so it doesn't matter what the action is like so long as you get your beauty for the night.

But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....


Cujo
Author:  D2864 [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:50 am ]
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So there are still a ton of gringos in the HDR even with the economy in the mud or there are a lot less hookers in the HDR? Which is it? Or is it something else?
Author:  Mike321 [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:32 am ]
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My friends who have been to DR recently(not labor day) said it was a buyers market.I spoke to 2 regulars(day shift 9-2)who said it has been VERY slow to many girls not enough guys. Remember this is day shift talkikg. :lol:
Author:  Klockman [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:14 am ]
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I was there last week, had a blast during the day and early afternoon, but come evening or late night it was just ridiculous. Too many guys driving prices through the roof and when that happens, the attitude follows. Didn't find many friendly faces after 4-5 PM.

But as stated, I enjoyed the days though.
Author:  Mucho Gusto [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:18 am ]
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Good post 'Cujo, and I agree. But, having said that...

IMHO, the HDR is an ever-changing entity, and I don't think this will ever change. A "buyers" market or a "sellers" market ??? That depends on the time of year, time of the month, day of the week, time of day, weather, chica attitude, moon phase, menstrual cycle, farmer's almanac, etc.... :shock:

Plus, as we take more trips and spend more time in the HDR, the "shine" will eventually wear off, leaving you with mixed feelings about the place. The HDR is viewed in many different ways by many different guys. But there will always be chicas in there, looking to sell their wares. With a little español in your arsenal, you have the ability to turn an average night into a knock-down-drag-out-phuck-fest with the chica of your dreams. Money will ALWAYS be a factor, but it is not the ONLY factor.

Buena Suerte Muchachos,
MG :wink:
Author:  Mr.Black [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:34 am ]
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Jadcujo wrote:
8)


Just wanted to mention what a difference just a year makes at the DR. Obviously I'm not saying anything new here at all, but I feel I need to say that it isn't the candy store it once was.

I will get around to a trip report soon enough (a short version anyway)

Now more than ever (as if it were possible) guys, learn as much Spanish as you can, keep yourself in decent shape, and carry yourself well. Pickins can be pretty slim, get all your squares filled so it doesn't matter what the action is like so long as you get your beauty for the night.

But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....


Cujo


if it takes more than being myself and 60-100 bucks then i'm staying home. the beauty of our hobby is you should be able to come as you are and and still have a good time at a reasonable price. true looks and personality will always play a part just like some chica can demand more because of theirs,but im not gonna pay to play, than go over and above to placate the seller. when they start giving it away for looks and personality the I'll pick up my copy of metrosexuals today. it sounds like you endured a bear market which seems to happen on three day weekends
Author:  Rainman3 [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:01 am ]
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[quote="Mr.Black
if it takes more than being myself and 60-100 bucks then i'm staying home. the beauty of our hobby is you should be able to come as you are and and still have a good time at a reasonable price. true looks and personality will always play a part just like some chica can demand more because of theirs,but im not gonna pay to play, than go over and above to placate the seller. when they start giving it away for looks and personality the I'll pick up my copy of metrosexuals today. it sounds like you endured a bear market which seems to happen on three day weekends[/quote]

Throughout life the ability to adapt to one's present situation will always be of great value. While I can understand Mr. Black's feelings I can also understand that if you want to attain the best possible experience
from each and every chica encounter that you are going to have to do your homework.

By homework what I am talking about is helping to create an experience that is somewhat enjoyable for the chica as well. We all know ( or should know ) that the ladies in the HDR/KL or at work in their office. It is no different than when I go to work. I have good days and I have bad days. I have times when my job does not seem like work at all and I have other days when I feel that I am on the brink of going postal.

It all depends on the individual monger how long it will take for the HDR to begin to lose its' shine. Im all about hunting for a great GFE experience regardless of where I find myself. To me it is all about "the chase". So even when the HDR is crowded with newbie gringos ready to pay $150 por una hora I can still have fun in the challenge of finding that GFE at a fair price. Of cource to do that Espanol, dancing, and gamesmanship all come into the play.

We all need to face the fact that the Elaphant Man could walk into the HDR and find some chica for cien, even sin Espanol. I for one want to be able to capture a superior experience. That is why I work on my Spanish and my salsa.

Jadcujo, you have only been coming down for a year. I will bet that in a short time Colombia or points further south will be calling you. IMHO the best part about traveling further south and "going into the deep end of the pool" so to speak is that you encounter less gringos without Spanish and overall a class of monger who tends to bring their game to a higher level.

If the HDR is getting old to you than perhaps it is time for you to find some new hunting grounds. CR will always attract mongers with minimal game and minimal Espanol and unfortunately minimal manners many times aswell.

Sorry JMHO,
Author:  Orange [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:32 am ]
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Jadcujo wrote:
But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....

I disagree. Spanish is not necessary at all to have a great time. It does help to make a more personal connection if you can communicate in Spanish, but absolutely not necessary. At least 50% of the guys in DR on any given day don't know more than 10 words in Spanish, and they're having the time of their lives.
Author:  LionKing [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:48 am ]
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Orange wrote:
Jadcujo wrote:
But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....

I disagree. Spanish is not necessary at all to have a great time. It does help to make a more personal connection if you can communicate in Spanish, but absolutely not necessary. At least 50% of the guys in DR on any given day don't know more than 10 words in Spanish, and they're having the time of their lives.
Ya, and I'm one of them. Although I can speak 12 words in spanish not counting numbers and I have a ball just watching the suckers pay more than $100. Ye Haa!!! And my next post hits 1000.
Author:  J0sie [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:35 pm ]
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I think everyone is missing Cujos’ point. He is not saying that you cannot have a good time but to get a much better time, price and overall experience, you need foremost to know Spanish, be groom, and will help to be in shape.

I can tape a $100 on an Orangutan and he will get lay at the HDR. We all know that. But like Rainman is eluding too, put yourself on the chicas position. They look around and see non-Spanish speaker, overweigh, and sometimes scruffy looking guys and here come someone in at least a decent shape, Spanish speaker and well groom and there is no decision for her to make. The latter gets the better price.

But if you still want to look like an Orangutan, then either pay $100 or move to the nearest MP.
Author:  Orange [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:43 pm ]
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Jadcujo wrote:
...Pickins can be pretty slim, get all your squares filled so it doesn't matter what the action is like so long as you get your beauty for the night.

But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....


J0sie wrote:
I think everyone is missing Cujos’ point. He is not saying that you cannot have a good time but to get a much better time, price and overall experience, you need foremost to know Spanish, be groom, and will help to be in shape.

Josie,
To me, it sounds like he's saying that guys who don't speak Spanish and aren't in shape, will have a hard time getting a girl. I didn't infer anything about price.

I think a lot of guys go there just to get laid. They aren't necessarily looking for a GFE.
Author:  NYG [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:45 pm ]
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Orange wrote:
Jadcujo wrote:
But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....

I disagree. Spanish is not necessary at all to have a great time. It does help to make a more personal connection if you can communicate in Spanish, but absolutely not necessary. At least 50% of the guys in DR on any given day don't know more than 10 words in Spanish, and they're having the time of their lives.


I also was just there LD weekend. Do not speak any Spanish and had a great time in the DR. I also feel that the women in the DR are just women. They are attracted to different things like all women anywhere else. Women are weird :roll: Why else would you see a 10 walking down the street with a 2 :roll: Just be kind and happy. Act you you are there for some fun and you will have some fun 8)

NYG
Author:  J0sie [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:00 pm ]
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You cannot tear a chica from price or the price from the chica so they both go hand on hand. And that is true if you are not looking for a GFE, then paid the price and NEXT!

Because he is inferring to slim pickings, if you decide to go for that beauty for the NIGHT, better have your game going. For those of us that speak Spanish and can get the girls to open up, you will be surprise at the little things that they notice on us. One of the first things that the look at are our teeth. For them, it gives them a measurement of our cleanliness.

I do not make the rules, just trying to make sense and get the most bang for my money. But if I come across like you won’t have a good time at the HDR because you do not speak Spanish, I do not think is the purpose of the tread. It is for those that want more that just “open legs and insert”, for those looking for a GFE or an incredible TLN with every chica that you encounter. It is possible just need to fill out the squares. :P :P
Author:  GetRhythm [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:54 pm ]
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Jadcujo wrote:
8)


Just wanted to mention what a difference just a year makes at the DR. Obviously I'm not saying anything new here at all, but I feel I need to say that it isn't the candy store it once was.

I will get around to a trip report soon enough (a short version anyway)

Now more than ever (as if it were possible) guys, learn as much Spanish as you can, keep yourself in decent shape, and carry yourself well. Pickins can be pretty slim, get all your squares filled so it doesn't matter what the action is like so long as you get your beauty for the night.

But for the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola" :shock: Good luck my man....

Cujo


Actually, from what everyone's been saying, this year doesn't sound a whole lot different from Labor Day 2007. Again, way too many dudes and a total seller's market. And under those circumstances, "the newbie gringo out there hitting the DR for the first time , who's vocab consist of "Hola"" is probably doing just fine, because he's the one who either doesn't care or doesn't know any better than to fork over $150 for a lousy, rushed partial hour with a hardcore pro and think that he's not having the time of his life.

Yes, anything you can bring to the table to get an edge - whether it's being in shape, dressing well, speaking some of the language, having a good attitude/good negotiating skills, a good reputation, etc. - is never going to hurt. But as Rainman3 said, the Elephant Man can walk in there just about any time and if he's willing to fork over the dough, can get laid by 99% of the chicas in there - so in a seller's market, any "edge" you might have is limited.

Personally, I'd much rather be there when there's the best chance of it being a buyer's market, and that's never on a holiday weekend - particularly Labor Day. The chicas should be doing the majority of the work to get the session, not us the customer.
Author:  Mr.Black [ Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:58 pm ]
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I took Jad's post to say HDR was losing its money first basis. I disagree with his assertion that the average guy is going to have to step it up. It may get to the point where the "looks challenged" may have some who are off the market but the average guy and 60-80 dollars is always going to be batting .980 8) 8) 8)
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