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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:39 am 
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This dude needs to get a clue , from todays AM Costa Rica


Second of two parts
Ch*ld's first pimp might be Mom

By Garland M. Baker
Special to A.M. Costa Rica


Costa Rican girls — and boys — get into prostitution for a variety of reasons in Costa Rica. Most of the reasons have to do with family economics. Some households that cannot make ends meet push their K*ds into selling themselves.

In the campo, the countryside, some mothers tell their sub-teen girls to go hang out around the local bar to sell themselves to the patrons. The girls take their earnings home so the family can survive. In other cases, the mothers of these K*ds are just money hungry. The easiest way for them to make money is to pressure their Ch*ldren into prostitution.

Rufianería is the term used in law to describe this activity of pressuring someone — of either sex — into prostitution and living off those earnings. It is a voracious kind of pimping. It is more common in Costa Rica than most people believe.

Information for this article has been gained from a series of interviews with prostitutes who volunteered their life stories.

The young never have a chance to improve themselves. Prostitution is all they know from a very young age. As soon as they are older and they can fend for themselves, the family sends them off to San José or to one of the tourist areas in the country like Coco, Jacó, or Quepos.

In other cases, friends coax other friends into prostitution. They tell them about their lives in the big city where they can meet foreigners and make lots of money. Some of the young adults send some money home to support their families. Others get into drugs and pornography.

Prostitution is not on trial here. The vicious cycle is. The cycle that begins with mothers — and in some cases fathers — pushing their K*ds into prostitution to pay bills or worst yet, to pay for their vices. The police in Parque Morazán have seen fathers dropping their und***ge daughters off for work in the evening. The work the youngsters are given is to sell themselves as prostitutes to those in cars driving by the park or to the foreigners walking the streets.

Costa Rican law gives every adult the right to sell sex because prostitution is not illegal in this country.

The point is the Ch*ldren never become adults to decide if they want to sell sex. They are usually selling it way before they ever become adults because someone else pushes them into it. Once the cycle begins, it is almost impossible to stop. Young girls do not even finish sixth grade in school. With no education, they are doomed for the rest of their lives to prostitution. Usually, they have a multitude of Ch*ldren. It is common to meet a middle-aged prostitute with four, five or more K*ds.

What happens when the prostitutes are not young or cute anymore and they cannot sell themselves as readily as they once did? How do they feed all those mouths? Well, they end up on drugs or selling drugs to others. The Ch*ldren get no education and end up in prostitution, too. The boys usually end up in gangs and turn to a life of crime.

Many foreigners do not care where prostitutes come from in Costa Rica. They do not care about the social-economic problems that drive the young into such activity. They just want an ample supply when they come here for their sex vacations. Costa Rica’s lackadaisical attitude about pimping prostitutes contributes to the countries worldwide reputation as a sex tourism destination.



Costa Rica’s position on prostitution and pimping has put the country on the United States’ tier 2 watch list for human trafficking because women and Ch*ldren are trafficked in and out of the country for commercial sexual exploitation.

The country has become a mecca for foreign prostitutes because of Costa Rica's sex tourism industry.

Most foreigners believe sex is a regulated business here. They believe the government controls prostitution and prostitutes run around with government-issued identification cards to prove they are free of disease. This is not true at all. Some of the major hotels that cater to hookers to increase their casino and bar businesses request identification but only to prove the person is an adult, nothing more. They do not request a health certificate.

The country may be on the verge of waking up. Sunday’s front-page headline in the country’s largest local newspaper is “Prostitutes work in massage parlors with business licenses.” The story was similar to that published here two weeks ago. These massage parlors are nothing more than businesses pimping the available prostitutes. The girls in these places usually work there and let themselves be pimped because they have a reason not to go to a local bar or hotel. They also like the mostly daytime hours.

Here are some other reasons: 1.) They are older or have lost their looks. 2.) They are pregnant. 3.) They are married or are involved in a serious relationship. 4.) they are in school or the university, or 5.) they are in Costa Rica illegally. Many of the girls in these places are from Nicaragua.

Curiously, pimping is illegal in Costa Rica but these establishments have business licenses, usually as a pension or rooming house. Everyone in the government and all the judicial authorities know and have known pimping goes on in these places. Everyone knows pimping is rampant in Costa Rica. It seems the country is exploiting its young and taking advantage of its disadvantaged for profit.

What is troubling is this attitude — sacrificing scruples for profit — goes beyond prostitution and pimping and exists deep inside the court system and politics as well.

Garland M. Baker is a 36-year resident and naturalized citizen of Costa Rica who provides multidisciplinary professional services to the international community. Reach him at info@crexpertise.com. Baker has undertaken the research leading to these series of articles in conjunction with A.M. Costa Rica. Find the collection at http://crexpertise.info, a complimentary reprint is available at the end of each article. Copyright 2004-2008, use without permission prohibited.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 am 
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What do you believe, Loco, is incorrect, if anything, in the article?

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Sounds pretty accurate. Sometimes, when I'm in CR, I cant help but think I am contributing to this vicious cycle, not with K*ds of course, but the sex trade in general. And of course, deep down I know I am.


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Why exactly do you say that the author of this article needs to "get a clue," Loco?? What about it is factually incorrect? Like the article or hate it, it seems like an accurate & for the most part non-judgemental portrayal of prostitution in CR.


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I think the part that is inaccurate is the portrayal of these establishments as "pimps". I don't think they are, in most cases.

In most cases, the girls merely rent the rooms from the establishment owner. The owner also provides a place for them to "hang out". Saying this is "pimping" is like calling a regular bar owner a "pimp", since many prostitutes go to those to find johns as well.

Now, some establishments treat the girls like "employees", impose hours on them, etc.. that's a little closer to pimping.

The thing is, in most cases, even the technical "pimps" are more like employers than pimps. Pimping implies so many negative things, like pressuring the girls to do things they don't want to do, not allowing them to leave the business, harrassing them, forcing them to pay you part of their earnings, etc.. While i'm sure some of that goes on, in most cases, it's just facilitation in my opinion.


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Where can I find the machita pictured in the AM Costa Rica article?

She looks hot!

I wonder if she signed a release?


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They don't just go after pimping in the usual sense of the word... I believe it is also illegal to promote prostitution. Hey, I love the MP's but we all know they are just splitting hairs on legality.... One example, if they are just rooms for rent, how come the subject of chicas going with guys after hours always comes up?


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In the campo, the countryside, some mothers tell their sub-teen girls to go hang out around the local bar to sell themselves to the patrons.


This is the main thing I found dubious. Sub-teens in bars? I'm sure there have been and still are a few sub-teens working, but this article gives the impression that this is common, almost as if it were the norm. I know that girls under 18 work as prostitutes, but I think the portion of them who are 12 and under is very very small.

I know of a couple of mothers and daughters who work together, though the daughters are not und***ge. I have no idea at what age the daughters started.

My feeling when I read something like this is to ask where the blame lies. In a country with such a large portion of its population unemployed or underemployed and with such a large portion of dropouts (mom can't afford the books and uniforms), is it really any mystery why prostitution thrives? Rather than cleaning up graft and actually providing free education beyond grade school, the government likes it the way it is, just fine, thank you very much. They scrape off the icing and enjoy the benefits of being able to find plenty of servants who'll work cheap. (oh, and maybe cheap nookie as well)

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Zombo wrote:
Why exactly do you say that the author of this article needs to "get a clue," Loco?? What about it is factually incorrect? Like the article or hate it, it seems like an accurate & for the most part non-judgemental portrayal of prostitution in CR.



First of all I object to the sanctimonious nature of the article. The author is not very well informed and he takes, what in all likelihood, isolated instances and uses them as facts. The author claims that his story is based on interviews with prostitutes but he doesn’t quote one prostitute in the entire article. Furthermore, he makes it seem like there are a bunch of little K*ds running around CR selling their bodies. I am certainly not going to argue that it never happens but I would bet the instances of this are few and far between.

Next, the author completely neglects to mention that many women enter the P4P business voluntarily and make a conscious choice to stay in the business. The pay is way better than any average job in CR. Some women would prefer this type of work to working in a store for $60.00 per week. It is an individual choice.

The author touches on the socio economic factors that may entice a women to enter the P4P world but he omits as much as he includes. What about the major world wide companies such as the Holiday Inn who charge a person $40.00 to bring a guest to a room for an hour but only pay their employees $10 a day to clean the rooms? This, is being done, despite the fact they are charging US rates for their rooms. If you stop and think about it there is plenty of blame to go around.

Furthermore, the author neglects to mention that there may be a significant economic benefit for CR due to the P4P business. How many tourist travel to Costa Rica and what do they spend in an average day? We ride the taxis, eat at the restaurants, drink at the bars, pay for our hotels and spend plenty of money on the lady’s. The lady’s then do the same with their money.

The part of the article in regards to “Pimping” is a complete joke. As other posters have pointed out pimping denotes that these girls are being forced to work at an MP. Nothing could be further from the truth. The author also states” Most foreigners think sex is a regulated business”. Huh? We are, for the most part, all foreigners none of us think that it is regulated. I also think the stuff about Parque Morazán is false. Not saying it never happened but I believe it is very very rare.

Finally, it would not surprise me in the least to see and meet Mr. Garland Baker at the CRT 5th Anniversary party this Labor Day weekend as most of the people who rant and rave about such subjects turn out to be hypocrites.


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Many foreigners do not care where prostitutes come from in Costa Rica. They do not care about the social-economic problems that drive the young into such activity.[/quote]


I would disagree with this part. They make it look like the mongers are after und***ge girls which, I believe many of you would agree, is just not the case. Sure, maybe a small percentage of sickos. The majority of sex tourists are after a 20-32 age range, take the chicas to good restaurants, maybe on some tours and spend money in the hotels. If the author doesn't like it, he should judge the CR government for making it legal.


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Loco Mike wrote:
The part of the article in regards to “Pimping” is a complete joke. As other posters have pointed out pimping denotes that these girls are being forced to work at an MP. Nothing could be further from the truth. .


I don`t think the act of "pimping," at least statutorily, requires an element of "force." Perhaps someone else can verify this...

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The author also states” Most foreigners think sex is a regulated business”. Huh? We are, for the most part, all foreigners none of us think that it is regulated. .


There was myth floating around, that the P4P chicas were required by the govt to have health checkups. It was common enough for me to have heard this mistakenly affirmed several times in the past, both in CR and in board discussions. But to say "most" think this certainly amounts to a stretch.


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. The majority of sex tourists , take the chicas to good restaurants, maybe on some tours and spend money in the hotels.
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Majority, now that's a stretch


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Letter in today's AM CR has some interesting ideas...
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wholesome sex clinics

Dear A.M. Costa Rica:

Sex clinics should be licensed by the government so they can be regulated by the government and taxed realistically. This way signs and other things could be controlled so that the sleazy factor can be controlled and heath and safety issues can be checked.

All sex workers should be card-carrying workers that have been tested for disease and also drug tested this will help curb the growing drug problems in our society.

Sex workers could be sent a monthly newsletter urging them to use these short earning years to get a foothold in life using this money to get a better education, to put a down payment on a house, or to start a small business of their own.

Sex workers could be trained to take a customer's blood pressure, and condoms could be prominently displayed and made certain that they will be used. This would help promote good heath. Signs should be displayed in both Spanish and English that condom use is the law.

I don't like to see a lot of sleazy sex signs like XXX with a naked girl on a neon sign. For some reason the sex industry has to show its self in a negative way. Maybe some universals sign that is not offensive that a sex clinic is in this building but not a red light. Maybe a flag of some kind? Wholesome is the key word, clean safe streets, nice parks, beautiful architecture, pretty women in summer dresses.

Sex clinic owners should be checked for criminal backgrounds and maybe only owned by former sex workers.

Sex clinic owners would be required to split the fee 50-50 with the worker and another 10 percent with all the workers for that day so everyone goes home with some money. The remaining 40 percent would be keep by the owner for overhead and profit.

Strong laws could be made for Ch*ld exploitation or any type of sex slavery where a person is held against their will. Harsh sentences could be handed down from the courts.

If possible the government could send out roving mental heath workers counseling sex workers and helping them with their states of mind. The government could elevate sex workers as mental heath workers themselves. What they are doing is to help calm our society and making it a more peaceful and less aggressive place to live.

Sex clinics should not only be for men. They can be for woman, gays, or transsexuals or whatever the market will support. Of course they should pass all the laws of wherever.

Sex work should be outlawed from the streets. It's harder to regulate. It gives a seedy, sleazy image, and the possibility of serial killers in our society. The streets especially at night are cold, scary places.

Alcohol, drugs and firearms should be strictly forbidden in sex clinics.

I feel that I have the right to have a financial arrangement between two consenting adults as long as the laws of wherever are followed to the maximum. I just don't see what harm is being done to anyone. Lets use a hypothetical situation. I have a mental heath business and I placed an ad :

Needed medical heath people to relieve stress, tension, and anxiety. Pay is between 10-40 dollars an hour. Working conditions: Nudity with massaging and counter massaging, a fleshy appendage with a latex glove being probed inside you.

Let me ask you, when you see a doctor he or she places their latex-covered finger somewhere inside your body and how many people do they do that too in a year?

Can we ever accept the fact that sex feels good and if it didn't, none of us would be here, with our advanced knowledge and technology we can trick the system so it can be one of life's most natural highs? No people are killed on the highway or bludgeoned in the home. Every man or woman has had some sort of sexual experience in their lives, and it makes you feel good, it replenishes your soul.

The City of Wherever could set a new standard for the world for tolerance, innovation, health, safety, providing good paying jobs, and a chance for a men and women to break the poverty cycle. Remember, this money is going directly to the people.

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In 1999 I came to know two Colombiana sisters in Miami, 20 and 26. My marriage was on the skids by this time and over the next couple of years I dated both. They were from Cali and their mother was the youngest sibling in her family, but the most ambitious. Somwhow she found a way to get to the States in '98, and a year later her daughters followed. Several cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. have since arrived.

In recent years both daughters have married gringos and lead more or less "normal" lives. Both are exceedingly beautiful (and are part of the reason I started going to Cali), and have adjusted to American life. Both are firmly "gringa-ized", but nice traces of their homeland remain in their personalities.

Over the years that I've known them I've learned their mother used to introduce them to men in Colombia when they were young. They still love their mother as adults, however. I believe both also did p4p in the States with their mother's full compliance, but of course by this time they were over 18.

Unfortunately it's a way of life for many latinas, as well as so many other cultures, including the U.S.

It's a sad story indeed..

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I wonder how this pattern, or vicious cycle as some call it, evolved. I think it was simply another tool for survival. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes and see how it feels.


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