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Some general observations I saw on a recent trip to CR was so typical of what many of us see. So many guys trying to save or change hookers that IMHO could care less. I witnessed guys spilling their love life to these working girls as they were literally force feeding them $100 bills on their last remaining days. I wanted to queue them in on the Latinas history as I knew it to be but really I knew there was little point since it was not what they would want to hear & they would not even listen I believe. As many of these Chicas took the $$$$$$$ they were looking around the room at other men. Once these guys left they were in full swing, what else is new right??

I see so many men trying to bring the USA to CR & then they wonder why they are not having things work out well for them. I listened to guys complaining about the regular Ticas not being easy to talk to at the mall & gym where they go. Many of these were younger hansom men that are in good shape with lots of useful life left in them.

I feel they just don’t understand how both sides of the street work in that culture. They seem to expect instant gratification where ever they go. This is why they regress right back to HDR & seem to get stuck there??? Many Gringos are use to a fast pace life & want everything now…now…now. From my experience relax & let good things just happen! They will!

I saw guys buying all these drinks for some hot little # all the while she was looking & winking at other men. I can sense when I am not holding their attention & would let them go before I would ever buy them a second one. These types that can’t focus on you will be a lousy time in your room almost always from what I have seen. The quiet ones seem to always perform better than the chicas that are loud about themselves!

Guys that were jumping out of their chairs overly excited about some chica are just asking for a higher price IMHO. Good to show interest but once you give these Latinas an idea that you are crazy about them just seems to work against you.

I saw many men I have known for many years of travel there. It is always nice to hang with them a while. Many had taken the plunge & moved there only to seem anxious & somewhat disappointed. I think many thought it would not cost as much & that regular Ticas would be easy. They might well be if these men would not bring so much of the USA with them & started a new clean life being down to earth. Ticas for the most part are very simple & this is a huge part of their natural beauty too me.

You don’t have to sell yourself from my experience but just be good & act natural. This seems to be a hard adjustment for many just as learning the language seems to be. Maybe some of them thought they had enough money or could make some working in CR which is hard to do generally. Somehow I could sense they have lost their way or have become stuck in a mess they have helped to create. All I can say is it is nice to be at peace with yourself where ever you find yourself. Hope everyone finds what they are looking for but it seems to always come back to it is what it is & where ever you go there you are.

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Zippy you make some good points especially about the pace of life being much slower in CR compared to the US.The problem is that when your used to getting things done on your schedule it's hard to adjust to the pace of life that's much slower.(can lead to much frustration)For me i actually like the slower pace of life of Latin countries.I once asked an old man in Mexico what he liked most about his country and he replied that there aren't many rules to follow there.I am sure Costa Rica isn't that much different.

DRform,

I believe this slow pace of life is perfect for the guy that has set himself up well. You simply can let it be to your advantage in many ways. Your remaining life may seem much longer than being so rushed about in life.

An interesting thing with the working girls for me is how long they have been at all this. I saw so many transplants form HDR to Jaco it wasn’t even funny. I mean these Chicas have been hitting it hard for 7 to 10 years AMAZING. Guys that want to try to save them are nuts IMHO. Save them from what!!!! These Latinas have a new place of importance they have never had before with their families & believe me this is what is the most important thing to them. Their families don’t care where it comes from as long as it is there!

Without turning their tricks they lose more than just the $$$ but their whole position. If a guy is dumb enough to try to step into this living disaster he has to take on the whole tribe!

Here is just one example I found in Jaco. I meet a very cute natural Colombiana I have never ever seen before. She is a surprise for a Colombiana since she has NO BODY enhancements at all! No Tattoos, doesn’t drink alcohol, no smoking & is really like the quiet hot girl next door. She seems to like what she found in me as I am very similar to this not being the party animal type.

She lets me know right off she has a boyfriend that is her main supporter & he sends her $$$$$ for her & her one Ch*ld she now has in CR with her. She says he helps a lot & she really does like him but he doesn’t send her enough so this is now why she is with me. Ok I like this even better now!! We talk for a while drinking our orange juice & make plans to go to the sleaze bag hotel for a room that is $20 for 2 hours.

She is into it it appears as she says I will not need any lubrication tonight. Hum wonder what that means??? Well we make out like new love teenagers & she has a nice time arching her back with involuntary contractions & soft moans. She says thanks that was very nice, I will sleep very well. Hum she never screamed the guys name out that is her main supporter. Somehow he seemed to totally disappear. I sure hope he gets plenty of perks out of her for what he sends because it seemed she was giving me everything she could think of.

Funny how they can know you for a few hours & really let themselves go. They are far more like us than we would like to believe is what I see. I really do think she likes her main supporter for real. She said he really is a very good man. I guess if he would just send more $$$$$$$$$$$$ all might be well but who really knows. Maybe she likes some strange like the rest of us. I know I do!

These are the reasons I have never been a savior type of man. This story is just one of hundreds I have personally experienced. It is life. These Ladies of this trade will always be like this IMHO. We are no better but we are the payers. These Chicas don’t want to be saved by one wallet but rather be saved by many wallets. It is simply more logical & easy for them to do. Hey it is all good but my wallet only comes out when I am there in direct contact.

In many ways I feel these Chicas have a perfect setup to pluck the wallets clean from the drunkin idiot that has trouble in real life with women while they have their own fantasies fulfilled screwing their brains out with guys they really like to have sex with. I can't see why they would want to be saved & I am sure almost all of them go to church anyway ???

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I'm not sure they expect it, but they would sure like it, they hope for it, they want it. Most who travel have limited time so they are trying to get the most from the trip - no time to be patient really.

The HDR does get boring so it is only natural to think about going to the mall or a local dance venue, because everyone hears about the hot non-pros that are available and it is a poor country so guys think they can walk in and chicas will be winking and dropping their keys in front of them to get a gringo's attention. It only takes one trip to find out that not only is that not true, but that you'll need a heavy dose of spanish to keep from feeling like a fool if you did actually happen to get anyone's attention.

It used to be that one of the most popular subjects on here was how to get non-pros (normal everyday chicas who have never sold their body to be exact). A lot of guys think that by getting a non-pro they won't have to pay to get laid, but it doesn't take a genius to quickly figure out that we pay no matter so on to the HDR we go.... forget about those non-pros, they don't know how to speak phucking English!!!!

It is easy to get stuck in the HDR if you don't know spanish. Walk a few blocks from the gulch in any direction and in my experience English is rare so this alone forces guys back.

It is sad though, sad that guys go to CR and treat chica too too too good. Chicas don't expect it (IMO!). I'm not going to kiss any chicas ass, but trouble with that statement is that someone will quote it and immediately say "you don't treat chicas with respect." In my opinion, there is a middle ground with respect to respect (a point where you are neither respecting or disrespecting). I don't think anyone needs to treat them like shit and all at the same time doesn't have to treat them like a princess either for the whole game to be a nice event. Too many guys are treating these girls like a princess (IMO). Judging from the amount of guys who were going to CR and who are now finding other places much more desirable is a telling story. We have kissed their asses so much that they know we are push overs - they can say don't touch my breast after we paid to touch it and a lot of Americans will say "okay, sorry". A Latino as well many other cultures would bitch slap them after a comment like that. Don't get your underwear in a knot over "bitch slap" - I don't mean a real slap although of course some do it. What "I" mean is just something non-violent to let her know she is being ridiculous (more American style). Gringas have turned American men into crying pussies (IMO, of course).

I was thinking today while listening to Gloria Steinman (sp) on NPR that immediately after birth, in the USA, they should attach a dick to every female. I'm not sure if gringas want us to be women or if they want to be men - I've just not figured it out yet.

Isn't that an interesting quote from Gloria Steinem.

First she was a Playboy bunny to get the attention from men. Then she became the ultimate feminist in America, editor of Ms. magazine and all, then she finally decided to become a wife she marries a rich guy. She later admitted that she only married him for his money.

It just goes to show what women want: everything! Whores just ride the gravy train harder than most women.

What was that old joke? A woman wants three kinds of animals: a jaguar in the garage, a tiger in the bed, and a jackass to pay for it all.

-PA

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I think you are confused. I don't see it as an either/or proposition at all, it is not a trade off between the two. I don't treat them like princesses. I am the last one to put up with any shit from a chica. Is that what you think treating a woman with respect means?

Treating a chica with respect has nothing to do with groveling at their feet and putting them on a pedestal. Kissing a chicas ass and treating them with respect are completely unrelated.

Treating a woman with respect means treating them with dignity. It means not devaluing them as human beings because of their occupation or because they are from a non-Anglo country. It means talking to them like they are real human beings, not a disposable playthings.

Latinas like strong take-charge men, they loathe arrogance. Many Gringos don’t seem to understand the difference.

I see so many men trying to bring the USA to CR & then they wonder why they are not having things work out well for them. I listened to guys complaining about the regular Ticas not being easy to talk to at the mall & gym where they go. Many of these were younger hansom men that are in good shape with lots of useful life left in them.- Quoting zippy

I lived and worked as a teacher overseas for a total of almost 6 years if you count Mexico. 5 years in SEA. A not so big secret in the expat community, Americans in general do not do well outside of our country. We are not the worst of expats, the Canadians have this title wrapped up by a long shot, but we are close. North Americans in general have a history of demanding things at a certain pace. They expect things closest to the standards they are used to. Look at the ads for condos in Jaco retirees are flocking to. English speaking staff. Homeowners associations, McDonalds, Burger King, Pizza Hut, all close by. Walled in communities. Why the hell do these losers ever leave the US if they want all that?

The locals are the ones I feel truly bad for. If I had to listen to a bunch of people who could not save enough to retire properly in thier own country bitch constantly about why everyone does not speak English, and back in Anywhere, USA things would be better, I would probably hit them so hard it would knock them back to where they came from.

Hell.... I agree. What has come over me? Agreeing with Kcc twice in a week! The board is going to hell in a hand basket!

Berk.....

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LOL. Well maybe there is hope for you yet.

Hell and I am agreeing for the most part with everyone on this thread Some reallly good and true comments have been made.

Every time I go into the Rey, KL, NYB, etc., I hear guys complaining about this place not being like the US. DUHHH!!! I see guys tring to treat and pay the chicas like American hookers DUHH, DUHHH? I hear guys that speak no spanish, spilling their guts to the chicas in english and then they wonder why the chica seems disinterested???? And the same guys then complains about going to the mall and not being able to score, DUH, DUHH, DUHHHHH!! When will guys learn to go with the flow here, slow down and enjoy life, except the sad fact that every chica in CR is not a puta with the hots for a gringo?? When will guys learn that this is not the US and for the most part the "problems" here are; 1st only problems in the eyes of the gringo; and 2nd are "problems" they (the gringo) has created by trying to make CR more like the US. Hell I came here to get away from a lot of the crap and life styles in the US. I eat in Tico restaurants, I shop in the small tico stores, I try to dress like the Tico and blend in to their culture, and, MOST IMPORTANT, I treat them with dignity and respect. I personally love this place and the only things I dislike about it are things caused by gringos IMHO

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Some guys just don't get it and never will. In many ways we who do get it benefit greatly from there stupidity/ignorance.

I think the whole problem arises because the majority of us (meaning mongers) that come down to Costa Rica do not do so because they have an inner desire to be world travelers and to grow as human beings, but rather because they just want to get laid. Many don’t have any desire to know anything about a different culture; it is not something that has ever interested them. They just know that if they come down and have a couple hundred dollars a day to spend that they can tap two or three foreign women a day. Many have never been outside the US before and would never do so if not for the action. They assume because they have more money that they are smarter and in some cases superior than the “third world” women that they are pursuing.

Present company excluded of course, it is laughable the ignorance of some of these guys. In many cases the chicas are running circles around these guys and they have absolutely no clue. They are so secure and smug in their own arrogance and superiority, yet they are the fools. I find the entire show very entertaining.

Exactly how I see it also. Sorry I missed you on this trip. Your posts carry more truth than many of us want to hear & this is why I enjoy them !

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Zippy - this is one of the better posts that I've read. I have lived in CR for almost two years. I have witnessed and experienced many of the observations you have mentioned. I want to expand on some of your thoughts:

First, people migrate to CR with unrealistic expectations. I certainly did!!! After making a bunch of trips as a tourist, I began to believe that fantasy land was a reality. Well, it is NOT reality. First, I believed it would be a piece of cake to find a regular (non-puta) girlfriend and that I would only regress to the gulch in rare times of need. I also believed that I would develop a quick network of gringo friends and have the time of my life. This is total bullshit. Finding a "good" girlfriend in CR is just like anywhere else in the world. It is work and it requires risk. There is also a huge cultural gap that eventually comes to head. My first two girlfriends were what I call "from the ghetto"... meaning they were poor and had a totally different outlook on life than myself. I don't blame them, but it certainly was a reality that could not be overcome. My latest girlfriend is from an upper middle class family and it makes a world of difference. Was it easy? Phuck no!!!!! It took practically a year of flirting with her before she even agreed to date me. Nothing in life that is worth anything comes very easy. CR does not change this golden rule.

Secondly, finding a group of gringos to hang with is easy enough. Just go to the regular haunts in the gulch and you will find many. Are they good friends? Maybe??? Or... probably NOT. I quickly grew tired of sitting around... drinking beers and talking about whores. I also see MANY gringos with that "deer in the headlights" countenance... like what the phuck did I get myself into? These girls are tearing me apart. These are the guys that have moved here... ventured outside the gulch to realize that it IS a fantasy world.... only to regress back to the HDR... because the in the real world... you have to work and take risk to find a good girl. I should also stress that many gringos here are bad people. Yes - there even people on this board, who claim to be gentlemen, that have personally shit upon me in an incredible way. One guy who took a dump on my life, even still owes me money. You guys know who you are!!!!! Don't worry... you are protected under your screen names. Yeah.... you can hide, but I know who the phuck you are!!!! I have even been threatened by a certain phucker on this board. For this reason, I recommend to all with good intentions to tread with caution in CR, especially around gringos. I also have learned to spend WAY less time with gringos here and more time with locals. The ticos outside the gulch are generally good people. If we rid ourselves of our American arrogance, it is possible to find a niche of locals or other foreigners, who are good people and trustworthy friends. To date, the only person in CR that I consider a "real friend" is my neighbor, who is Colombian.

It seems lately that there are a lot of younger guys who have moved here in search of their beautiful novia. Its like a huge wall of denial because these guys are constantly searching in the wrong places... HDR, strip bars... ohhhh wait.... there are also the guys that are courting bartenders thinking they have found a special non-working novia, only to realize that the bartender works both sides of the bar. Several times, I have offered to take guys out to regular haunts in Escazu, only to watch their faces change. Why aren't girls grabbing my ass and whispering "papi rico" in my ear? Maybe its because you haven't looked in the mirror for a while??? Since you have moved to CR, lets just say.... maybe the party life is getting to you? Maybe you have put on a few pounds? Maybe you are not the Brad Pitt or Tom Cruiser that you thought you were? Maybe your money is running low and your prospects of income or weak at best. This all takes a toll on your confidence level and your overall sense of power. And, all this shit adds up and girls have a strong six sense. They can read all of this!!!! The hookers love it and take advantage of your weaknesses. All they want is your money and they are great actresses. The real girls kind of run away from it. They want confidence and power, not ego and ignorance.

Gotta run...

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You are right KC. I used the word respect because it is used so often on here and what I really mean is what you said above. There is a middle ground. You may not be putting them on a pedestal, but many others are (IMO) and in my opinion it has affected what chicas will attempt to get away with when dealing with Americans.