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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:43 pm 
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I wanted to just provide a link to this, but it just wasn't feasible. Here is the article as I found it. Much has been written about this and other laws, but it seems that it will be a while, and only after a lot of pain, before the administration of these laws approaches something close to what they were intended to be.

Women's word rules, and guys go to jail.
Some women swindle their mates with the local domestic violence law.


Women are kicking their mates out of the house in record numbers in
Costa Rica. Some of them are enjoying it and using the law designed to
protect women against domestic violence to swindle foreigners. Many
guys come to Costa Rica in search of a relationship and end up making a
very costly mistake.

Police say women are abusing Law 8589 Article 7. The article states,
"In order to protect the victims, they will be able to request, from
the start of the complaint, the protective measures contemplated in the
law against domestic violence, as well as the necessary precautionary
measures foreseen in the penal code of procedure."

Yes, a foreign male — or any male in Costa Rica for that matter
— can be tossed out of his own home by his wife or girlfriend by
merely having a complaint filed against him by the woman if she says he
was being abusive. Abusive, as it stands today, can mean anything,
including just raising one's voice.

Two weeks ago a woman put her foreign boyfriend in jail all night when
he raised his voice to her adult son — he is over 18 years of age
— for popping bubble pack and painting satanic symbols on the wall.
The son, who has tested positive for drugs in the past, became vocally
abusive, so the foreigner called 911. When the police arrived, the
girlfriend and her son asked the police to take the guy to jail.
Officers did so without question. The woman also said that he struggled
with the son and bumped into her. The man who was jailed is the legal
owner of the home.

The girlfriend took a blanket to the boyfriend in jail that night
because it was very cold. Either she had a guilty conscience or she was
looking for information. While at the jail, she spoke with the police,
and they gave her pointers on what she should file with the judge the
next morning in court.

In the morning, the police escorted the tired man from his jail cell to
the court. He was lucky, he had a cell phone, and the police let him
use it in the patrol car. He called his attorney who met him at court.

The judge told the man that the police would take him to his own house
where he could pack two suitcases of essentials but that he had to
vacate his home immediately.

A police officer escorted the poor guy and his attorney into the house.
While the man gathered his belongings, the police officer told the
attorney that throwing men, mostly foreign men, out of their homes in
Costa Rica was a daily routine. He said they use to chase robbers and
other bad people, but now they were bored because mostly they just deal
with domestic violence cases. The police officer further said:
"Women in Costa Rica are taking advantage of this new law. They
throw out their boyfriend and then steal their things and leave."

Other women do not leave. They start the legal process against the
foreigners for damages or palimony to wear them down to get a payoff.
The lucky ones get off with the women taking a few TV sets and a
computer. At least in these cases the foreigner can move back into his
house.

When the girlfriend does not leave the home, the foreigners have a
serious problem. They have to file their own court cases to get the
unwanted tenant out of their house. These processes can take months to
years. Usually, domestic violence injunctions, called medidas here, are
for six months. Normally, a judge will not rescind a medida, and the
frustrating part is that no one takes an accused man seriously. In most
cases, the medidas expire before a judge ever makes a decision.

In this case, of the foreigner who was put in jail and thrown out of his
house, the man is staying in a hotel. The girlfriend and her son used
the words, "my husband" and "my stepdad" in their court
complaint. But, in fact, they have no legal relationship with the man.
This case looks like it is going to be a long one. The foreigner feels
frustrated and helpless. He may just pack up and leave Costa Rica.

Women taking advantage of the law for their personal gain overshadows
the reason the laws were passed in the first place. Many women and some
men have died because of domestic violence situations. Some 25 to 30
women die a year on average. There are around 30,000 domestic violence
complaints filed a year. A University of Costa Rica study said 58
percent of women interviewed in a survey experienced some kind of
physical or sexual violence in the past 16 years.

However, there are no firm statistics on how often women use the new
laws to end a relationship and take the possessions a man must leave
behind. The law, of course, only protects women. A man cannot use this
law to get an abusive woman from the home.


Good luck to anyone, Gringo or Tico, that get's saddled with dealing with any of this crap.

Mac

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:23 pm 
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Yo OSG,,

you forgot to mention that while all of the shite is happening as described above, an " IMPEDIEMETO de SALIDA " is posted on the CR Immigration computers, and that hapless gringo, or Tico , involved -- IS NOT ALLOWED to LEAVE Costa Rica until the issue is resolved :shock: :o :twisted: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Story posted www.insidecostarica.com a couple of weeks ago mentioned that over 175,000 persons are on that list,, including 15,000 Foreign expats :o Mostly for non Ch*ld support , but any Denuncio can get one on that list :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:16 pm 
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The article was posted in this thread

https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/vi ... &highlight

You have to scroll down a few posts in the thread to reach the article it self.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:49 pm 
The article in my opinion is fear mongering. Have a few cases where maybe, just maybe the guy deserves it, and suddenly, they are forcing completely innocent foreigners and Ticos out of their homes in record number.... epidemic proportions. Think about, if she kicks him out, she might have a place to live, but sooner or later, she likely has no cash because if she was living in his house, he is likely paying for groceries, electric, water and more. In the matter of foreigners, there are probably a few Tico-fathered Babi*s in the house too so they go without food eventually.

I think the women in Costa Rica are smart enough to realize that actions along the lines in the article without good reason isn't in their best long-term interest.

Can't leave the country? Yeah, right, it is easy to get out of CR and into Nic or Panama and then on the plane from there.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:20 am 
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Why do so many gringos insist on turning whores into trusted girlfriends? Remember guys, you are NOT paying for sex! You are paying them to LEAVE!!!!! later

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:01 am 
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That's why women are smarter than guys. In Brasil there's a word for a Puta like that: "Malandra". Guy's simply can't control their dick's too often and that's their downfall. We guy's should learn to act a little more like the Taliban. I just paid a Colombiana to spend TLN with me and after a couple hours of great fun with her and asked myself why did I do that so I just sent her on her way. "NO COMMITMENT"..not even for an hour..that's my motto.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:15 am 
D2864 wrote:
The article in my opinion is fear mongering. Have a few cases where maybe, just maybe the guy deserves it, and suddenly, they are forcing completely innocent foreigners and Ticos out of their homes in record number.... epidemic proportions. Think about, if she kicks him out, she might have a place to live, but sooner or later, she likely has no cash because if she was living in his house, he is likely paying for groceries, electric, water and more.


Fair point. As long as everything is good in the relationship, the Gringo probably has little to fear.

However, for those Ticas that are thinking that the relationship is winding down, all of a sudden this becomes a very viable option for the Tica that is thinking that she may end up on her own with nothing to show for it.

Sure you don't have to worry so much about these laws as long as she is getting what she wants out of the relationship. If she decides that she deserves more, than you better watch your ass.

If you are really set cohabitation with a Tica, rent a house and let her live there. For $600 or $800 a month you can get a decent place and set her up without putting your assets at risk.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:14 am 
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I only touch base with CRT once in a while and obviously missed the first posting of this article; excuse the redundancy. I'm not looking to be negative here by posting it. It's something I'd want to know and would want to be told.

The idea of a different woman all the time doesn't appeal to me. The article really got my attention because the live-in GF scenario is exactly what I had in mind for my future; but not any more. I was going to rent anyway, but for other reasons. I'm wondering if paying someone a regular salary, for let's say "housekeeping", would provide an extra layer of insulation from these laws. Then all you might have to deal with is the worker separation expenses, if and when the time came to pull the plug. I'd welcome input from anyone "in country", that's already checked out the possibilities.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:24 am 
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D2864 wrote:
The article in my opinion is fear mongering.


The article was written by Garland Baker. He is a regular contributor to AM Costa Rica and his stuff usually appears on Monday. If you check back on his writings you will be hard pressed to find one that does not contain words of doom and gloom as to how gringos get messed over by the legal system in CR. His column today is a good example.

By coincidence you can avoid many of these problems by employing his firm :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:59 am 
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I agree with ID here. Garland is over the top. I know the person who the article was written about and he definitely is getting screwed. I think he is getting his house back or has already. He admitted that the article took a few liberties.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:08 pm 
Greengo wrote:
Costa Rican law is a mix of Spanish law,the scrambled ambiguous ambivalent system of beaurocratic panoplies derived from the russian courts and the whimsy of the oligarchy(90%).


Really? I always thought that it was based on the Napoleonic Code. I don't really know shit on this topic and would welcome information from an informed source.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:43 pm 
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That's why it pays to keep a bad girl in your stable or circle of friends. I had one scary chica a few years back that would take care of a bad situation that a male friend probably couldn't. Once they know you have some bad girls behind you, they will generally back down.


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I agree the law is heavily in favor of the chicas. I pretty much pay for a place in CR but I have gone in to it with the mindset of "if I lose it, I don't care." Really, I don't care. If one day I go down and am unwelcome, no big deal. No fight, no arguement, just move on. I understand not everyone is of that mindset or in a position to not care. But, I think that is the only healthy way to approach the situation. Your playing on someone elses home court. When in CR, we don't make the rules we just have to follow them. It's a gamble to live in paradise so I only take as much to the casino as I can afford to lose.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:10 pm 
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They just have to know you are serious and mean business. I told a chica here one time that if the police ever talked to me about anything, she better watch her back for the rest of her life. Because eventually they will let me make a phone call. Just to clarify, I had not nor have I ever laid a hand on a woman. It is their home court, so that is why it is always good to have someone with papers who's got your back here.


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