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Which of these would most likely cause you to give up mongering?
When and if I become involved n a commited relationship. 51%  51%  [ 31 ]
When my sex drives make it not worthwhile. (cannot perform) 39%  39%  [ 24 ]
When mentally, I can't see myself with the young ones. 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
If I get burnt painfully by a bad experience. 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:30 am 
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When I started posting again last week, I was not really sure why. Then, I noticed a post by another board member on another thread that said that I was looking for some answers. You know what, over the weekend, I realized that that person was exactly right. I am looking for answers and would appreicate the ones that have been on the board or mongering for a long, long time to assist me in finding them.

Prolijo was right about my poll. It was totally inadequate especially with me now realizing that I have come to the board to see if I can answer a few questions about myself. Please consider this poll.

I hesitate to post this as the board is not kind on occasions and responses can be as testy as hell. But, I have been on this board and the other one for years and I hope that the older group will assist me as they are probably more experienced in the arena of what happens when you just seem to be getting over mongering.

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I voted: When mentally, I can't see myself with the young ones.

I'm 45 and still in great shape, but I keep asking myself if I can do a 22 year old when I'm 65. I probably will be able to get it up, but I'm just not sure I can undress in front of a 22 year old when I'm 65.

Maybe as time passes and I feel more guilty about doing the extremely young ones, I'll look for a way to do some who are in their 40s? I won't know until I get there.

I wouldn't mind eventually getting married to a foreign woman who is about 15 years younger, however I'm not sure that I can remain faithful. I think I've actually talked myself into the idea that if I do others on the side, it likely will help me maintain the relationship with the one I'm married to. I'm not sure this makes sense or that it is a recipe for success, but it is my current question to myself.


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Mentally......there will NEVER come a time when I cannot see me with the young ladies. :P

I will prabably continue for the rest of my life. At present, Viagra gets it up for me. Who knows....20 years or less from now, there may well be a drug to get it up, as well as permit a man to orgasm. Medical Science at work :!: :wink: :P

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Pacifica55 wrote:
"When and if I become involved in a commited relationship." Yeah, right. Image

"When my sex drives make it not worthwhile. (cannot perform)" For me, it is not just about the sex act so I can't see this applying.

"When mentally, I can't see myself with the young ones." Yeah, right. Image That's her problem, not mine.

"If I get burnt painfully by a bad experience." If I do something stooopid I can't see myself blaming it on mongering. Poor decision making, more likely, and my fault.

I'll go with "none of the above".


If you do not want to participate, please do not hijack the thread. I am honestly looking for answers. Turning it to another it will never happen thread does not answers them. Please move off the thread if you do not want to participate.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:35 pm 
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None of the above.... :?: :P You need another option for the hard core members, please.

Otherwise dont count my vote. 8)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:14 pm 
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Thanks for the kudos, Dave. I didn't mean to diss your previous poll, but rather only to offer some alternative ideas. As it is, this new poll certainly incorporates some of those ideas, but still doesn't exactly match what I myself would ask either. But you know what? That doesn't really matter either, nor does what any of the rest of us would answer. I think this latest poll reflects some of your OWN concerns about where you see YOURSELF possibly heading at some point, so maybe you answered your own question.

That said, our own personal insights on this (tailored to our own individual situations) might be of some relevance to your own. So, I'll offer some more ideas. In a way ALL of your options could become factors in my quitting mongering and I might have included an option like that. OTOH. while it is certainly possible one of those scenarios by themselves might lead me to quit, it is more likely it would take several or all of those collectively or even some other factors you haven't even listed working together to get me to quit. So, looking at them individually, I could also see myself answering somewhat though not exactly like Pacifica - None of the above by themselves would cause me to quit. Beyond that, to most of the guys who jokingly have been suggesting that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING would make them quit, I'd submit that they probably don't really know what they're talking about because they probably haven't been doing it for more than just a few years, let alone the 38 years like you.

However these are the options you've provided so I'll try to pick the one that would be most likely to be the final straw. So let's look at them individually.

Call me jaded or warped, but as a never married and probably never to be married guy I just don't see enough advantage to becoming involved in a committed relationship. Why should a woman feel she needs to restrict me to seeing only her? Okay, nearly all women (your wife excepted) don't see it that way and probably most men (at least when it comes to letting their wife screw around), but that is the way I see. We could get into a whole philosophical discussion about the issues surrounding this, but suffice it to say that I just can't see myself becoming involved in a committed relationship at this point in my life unless I lost my mind or had a gun held to my head. I'm past the point of having K*ds, so wouldn't commit for that reason. I can simply "rent" sex at any time and with a wide range of physically appealing partners so why would I sugmit to all the complications and restricts of buying into one women. And most other aspects of relationships such as companionship, intellectual stimulation, etc. I can get from a variety of sources, so why would I restrict myself by requiring I get them all in one person? I'd rate this option the lowest, but I can see why it might be different for someone else with different priorities.

Changing sex drive? Viagra and other "miracle" drugs can help you get it up when that becomes an issue, but these have their limits. They're not safe to use when you're taking nitro for your heart and heart problems could become an issue for any of us when we get older. Plus the sex act itself might become difficult or even dangerous if one's heart condition is serious enough. Another problem with these drugs is that they don't help you produce any more leche. At some point one might become what I liken to a dog marking his territory, lifting his leg to squirt long after he's run out of piss. Finally, our testosterone levels can start to decline as we get older leading to less urge to have sex. Of course there is always hormone replacement but what's the point. In many ways, I'd be relieved to have less urges when I think back on how much time, effort and expense I have incurred over my life in the pursuit of pu*sy. Of course, in most respects that has been very enjoyable too, but that might be a chicken or egg situation. Do I have the urges because it is ebjoyable or has it been enjoyable because that is where I have been driven to? If I had pursued other interests, wouldn't those have been enjoyable too and mightn't I now have more to show for it? So, for me I could definitely see a point where there were other things I rather be doing with my time.

A quick side point, for the several guys who say that not getting it up wouldn't matter because its not just about the sex, I'd say "yes, but is just hanging out with chicas still mongering?". I concede just making out and cuddling with a soft frim supple young body could continue to be pleasureable, but the idea of just hanging out with hookers with out the sex (or making out) as the ultimate reward would not have nearly as much appeal. I'd have little in common even with young gringa chicks due to generational differences (in terms of things like life experiences, maturity levels, etc. eg having come of age in the disco vs. the MTV eras) and those issues are just exacerbated by the vast cultural educational and socioeconomic gulf that seperate us from 3rd world chicas. From an intellectual non-sexual level I have far more in common with my fellow mongers than I do with any of these chicas. So if you remove the sex (including any level of physical intimacy), I'd much sooner choose to hang out with other sorts of people than chica hookers. I think I'd rate this option very high.

I didn't interpret the "can't see myself with young ones" quite the same way as D2864. I don't think it would be so much a matter of being self-consious undressing in front of a 22 year old. After all, I'm paying her for the sex. If she doesn't like what she sees, she can charge me more if its that much of an issue (and then I'll have to decide whether it is still worth it). Besides, I plan to be one of those fit, urbane and distinguished looking older gentlemen. For me it is less an issue of how I seem to the chica back in the room as how I seem to everyone else out on the street. At this point I can still delude myself into believing I'm in pretty good shape and would still appeal at least a little bit to a younger woman even if it weren't for the money. So I don't feel too far out of place. At some point however it will become painfully apparent to everyone including myself that the hot chick on the arm of this decrepit and perverted old coot, who is more than young enough to be this old coot's grandaughter, is only having sex with this disgusting guy because he has to pay her lots of cash and then I'll look really silly and pathetic. It is sort of a variation of the classic "walk of shame". OTOH, I got over that hangup and I'm pretty sure I'll manage to deal with this one. After all, screw what other people think.

Getting burned by bad experiences. I think Pacifica unfairly gives this one shortshrift too. Yes, its true that bad things sometimes happen due to our own stupidity and that we shou;d just learn from our mistakes. But its also true that bad things can also happen through no fault of our own. Sometimes we just slip up, but often its a matter of assuming calculated risks and sometimes we lose on that gamble.

For example, "certain people who will go nameless" seem willing to write off ALL muggings as the result of someone having done something they shouldn't have (such as walking home drunk with lots of cash). I think a LOT of those muggins can be explained that way but certainly not ALL. Sometimes things happen in spite of taking all the precautions. What did DG do wrong to get mugged within 30 feet of his apartment in a quiet neighborhood on a Sunday morning? So what do you do? Learn from your "mistake" and never ever walk anywhere day or night? Probably not now but perhaps at some point if things get crazy enough.

Another example, most of us go for BBBJ's and DATY. For us it is a calculated risk. Also, sometimes despite taking reasonable precautions condoms break or slip off. What if one then gets a raging case of Herpes or, god-forbid, HIV? Would you be so sure you'd continue mongering then?

Things can really change or with a bad experience ones own estimation of what risks were really out there all along could change as well. Crime could get much worse in our favorite playgrounds not to mention the incidence of STD's, pu*sy prices could become ridiculously inflated, a higher and higher percentage of chicas could become hardened scammers to the point that one can not really relax and let down one's guard with any of them. Any number of external things could change whether we personally experience them ourselves or not.

In conclusion, my own predictions for why I might eventually quit mongering is most closely related to option #2. Not so much, absolute inability to perform but declining desire to do so. After having mongered for so many years, I think I'd probably be a little bored with the whole scene if not the sex itself. Add that boredom to declining urges and I think I'd just find new and more interesting things at some point for me to spend my limited retirement funds on. I suspect you don't have to worry about the money aspect at all, but even you may reach a point where you see more value in giving your money to some much more worthier causes than a bunch of scheming greedy hookers even if most of them still try to get you off in exchange for it.


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Pacifica55 wrote:
Prolijo wrote:
Getting burned by bad experiences. I think Pacifica unfairly gives this one shortshrift too. Yes, its true that bad things sometimes happen due to our own stupidity and that we shou;d just learn from our mistakes. But its also true that bad things can also happen through no fault of our own. Sometimes we just slip up, but often its a matter of assuming calculated risks and sometimes we lose on that gamble.

I agree that things just happen sometimes. There are a lot of things you can do to minimize risk, but stuff happens. DG's mugging for example: I don't see it as "monger related". It was just something that goes with the territory of living in an urban environment, foreign or domestic. It could have happened the same way in any US metropolis or anywhere else. My point is that I don't see that as a reason to stop mongering.

Hope I didn't befoul your thread, Dave. :roll:
Yes, it could have happened the same way in any US metropolis PARTICULARLY if you happen to be in the parts of town where the street walkers hang out. You see, to a degree this IS "monger-related". I suppose one could also get mugged in the parts of town where most of us live, work or spend most of our time, but the risk is much much greater when we venture into the parts of town that we really have little other business being. DG could have been mugged at home, but he probably made it at least a little more likely by putting himself in the position he did and the main reason why he was in San Jose, with all its street crime against "rich" gringo tourists, was because of his mongering. Many aspects of what we do involve assuming calculated risks. Presently, we calculate those risks worth taking along with whatever reasonable precautions that don't interfere to severely in what we do. So FAR, you've been lucky inasmuch you haven't been muggged. But wait until you experience the trauma of that happening yourself before you speak so surely that it won't change the way you think, PERHAPS even enough for you to be more reluctant to continue to come to SJ. It could be due to new awareness to greater risk than you believe eisted or it could be due to the risk increasing in years to come to the point where visiting SJ becomes intolerable, but either way it will in part be due to the fact that you're down there at all and you're down there to monger.


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At the risk of getting spanked by the original poster, I'll throw in four cents of my own that I feel are relevant.

I grew up a horney little bastard. When I was in high school I'd get a hard-on when I got my hair cut (OK sometimes I still do). I am constantly looking at women I see and evaluating them as possible fuck-mates. I am a monger to the core.

I recall when I was about 16 years old I was yearning to visit the local Deja Vu strip club - an all-nude girlie place. Once I was of age and able to go I was initially fascinated - if not moved - by the thoughts of girls showing all of their parts for a lousy $13 cover charge. As time wore on the thrill of the pu*sy parade began to fade against the backdrop of the constant hustle. I recall my second lap dance. The girl took me to the little cubicle and I handed her the money before she even stripped. She said "you've got to tip me honey" and like a fool I did. Nowadays I would have just kicked her aside. Then she stripped down to panties and never did get nude.

Then there comes the constant hustle of the waitress trying to get us to buy drinks for the girls...and bringing over a tiny little cup packed with ice and 3 ounces of Sprite so she can come back in five minutes when the glass is empty and hustle another.

My experience in strip clubs is that there seems to be a merciless grubbing for money that quickly takes away all of the fun.

I can see this happening to mongering..as prices go up....as girls want money up front.....A good way to look at this is to imagine a chica showing up with a three-page contract she wants you to sign, she whips out a cordless EPOS machine so she can swipe your credit card, and you have to leave a $300 refundable deposit as if you are getting a rental car.

So what will end mongering for me is if the attitudes continue to run towards that of the USA strip club.

Of course one can always move on to other venues and probably in my lifetime (50 more years maybe) I will still have places I can go for p4p pu*sy. So I will likely be a monger until, as another poster so well expressed "they have to roll my body off her"

I just can't see where I'd stop mongering unless all mongering opportunities worldwide degrade to the coldness I complain of above.

Dave - I hope this answers your question. My wife, too, is cool with this whole scene - this gives my likely mongering even more longevity.

I'm hooked. I don't think I'll ever stop. Even if I can't get it up I'll love the notion of taking a chica back to my room or even to the countryside for an erotic photoshoot - and naked girls cleaning my house - another excellent idea.


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Dave, I had a hard time picking so I read thru the post.

Projilo. Added alot of info and input which enabled me to decided on the comitted relationship. As of right now I am not entertaining any of the other thoughts.

Yet I am not looking for a commited relationship. And I have been burnt so many times I have lost count. Yet I keep going back. I have had alot of hiv test done afterwards I will admitt.

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Thanks for the responses. I am still going over them in my mind.

Please let me clear up a few things. I am looking for answers to help myself in this. I am asking the board to help me walk this road as I figure out my mongering future. I have been on this board since the beginning and now I would like to see if the board can assist me.

Please, I understand the answers of it will never happen. I am not of that opinion for ME. Therefore, if that is your opinion, I ask that you post it on another thread or start your own.

I am asking that mongerers that live in CR to assist. Those that have been on this board years to assist. For those that have been around for a long time, you know me and I trust that you have the ability to assist.

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I wouldn't mind eventually getting married to a foreign woman who is about 15 years younger, however I'm not sure that I can remain faithful. I think I've actually talked myself into the idea that if I do others on the side, it likely will help me maintain the relationship with the one I'm married to. I'm not sure this makes sense or that it is a recipe for success, but it is my current question to myself


IMHO, this is the best case scenario. I find it interesting how many mongers on this board still hold the religious view on marriage and "fidelity". From my observations, I havent seen Dave's or other married guys on this board I know of marriages suffer because they "monger" on the side. Why is it so hard to believe in sex for sex sake...and marriage as a contract for a positive, effective long term relationship that may or not be that sexual in nature? Our society has become SO focused on sex...sex in marriage, sex outside of marriage, deviant sex, pedophilia, porn online and in print. If sex with the married partner becomes uninteresting or dull...we throw out the whole relationship as if nothing else mattered...K*ds included.

I am with my partner because...she is a quality person and we have a mutually affective, caring, considerate relationship. We live well together. It would not be threatened by a P4P experience even though we do not discuss or share those personal details between us. Its not THAT open...BUT...I have a long leash and dont abuse it. It would be MORE dangerous to the relationship to date or pursue a non-pro woman with emotional attachments. I think this balance is possible...and rewarding. For guys to think they have to have it one way or the other...marriage or mongering...is too narrow a perspective IMHO.

Good subject matter Dave.

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Dave,
Knowing you as I do for you I would say don't worry about it. As long as you have the urge and the wife gives her consent then enjoy your life just as it is for as long as you can. Unless she gives you an ultimatum to stop then just continue as you have been. It seems to be working so far.

Look at it another way, when, if ever, will you be willing to give up any of your other forms of "recreation"?

As for me, I prefer a "relationship". I love sex, a lot, but the value of having great sex with one special person far outweighs the short-term cheap thrill of banging something new just for sex sake.

Now all I have to do is find that young, hot, horny babe that is fun, beautiful, has a good heart, always does her best to look great, pleases me, takes care of me and is honest and true to me!

Hey, it's December. May as well put in my Christmas wish.
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Thats the way Wit. Keep those standards high! :twisted:

You'll have a better chance of getting your Christmas wish by spending it in Colombia...

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