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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:23 pm 
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This is an excerpt from an article in AM Costa Rica this morning.

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Costa Rica hosted 1,725,261 tourists in 2006, but only 819,540 came from the United States and Canada. Europe contributed 234,681. That leaves 671,040 visitors from South America, neighboring countries or elsewhere in the world. So the tourism market is thinner than official totals suggest.


From time to time a discussion is started about the importance of mongers to the CR economy. According to those figures an average of a bit over 68,000 North Americans visit each month. Assuming most mongers are from North America it would seem that figures indicate mongers are a minority of the tourist from North America and are a really small percentage of the overall tourist market.

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how many visitors from neighboring countries are on the other part of the mongering equations 8) :wink: 8)

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how many visitors from neighboring countries are on the other part of the mongering equations


Most mongers you meet in gringo gulch are North Americans. Years ago when I was doing the tourist thing and taking various tours there were many Europeans who were eco-tourists not mongers and I would think that is true today as well. The Caribbean side has many Europeans who, I think, are more in the back pack hippie mode rather than mongers. I would expect that most of the tourists from South America and neighboring countries are native Spanish speakers and do not spend much time in the gulch. Are they mongers? I have no idea but I would expect that they can find willing Latina working girls in their own countries so they have little incentive to come to CR for that purpose.

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ID, I cant find the thread but I did an analysis a while back that came to the same conclusion that the monger percent of tourism was fairly low (around 5%) I guess. This was based on guestimating number of mongers in the gulch and Jaco on an average day. maybe someone good with the archives can find the thread.

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Someone called? :D So out of that 68,000/month how many are guys hobbying? 10% seems way high looking at the number of guys we can spot on the plane, in the gulch, number of gulch hotel rooms etc.. My first guess is also 5% (3400) maybe a little more, that means 113 guys every day which at first sounds like a lot. Although if we look at SJO arrivals of 16 US based flights/day that would mean 7 mongers per flight which sounds about right based on my previous games of "spot the mongers" on every flight...
The last discussion seems pretty accurate BK, we don't really matter that much-
https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14458
I wish all the damn tourists would find someplace else to go so we could get decent airfare and hotel rooms again. :evil:

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Olneymm wrote:
how many visitors from neighboring countries are on the other part of the mongering equations 8) :wink: 8)


ID the x factor I was trying to get added in was the ladies who come to CR to ply thier trade and what they add to the gdp. they to need to be housed, fed and so on.

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per day, then that is why I will be a medellin man, here on out, as My best guess is 113 gringos a week, cumming down there! roughly 13% per week, vs. c.r., and therefore, this place has not been ruined!!

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Remember Del Rey has 100 rooms and stays booked alot of the time. They don't have many bad nights. Some of those rooms have more than one occupant registered.

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Remember Del Rey has 100 rooms and stays booked alot of the time. They don't have many bad nights. Some of those rooms have more than one occupant registered.


That kind of buttresses the thinking that mongers are a very small percentage of the tourism market.

HDR 104 rooms x 365 nights = 37,960 room nights ./. 3 night average stay produces 12653 guests ./. 12 months = 1054 mongers a month out of 68,000 North American visitors each month. Less than 2% at the premier monger hotel in San Jose.

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I recently found this on a costa rica blog. I wonder how they came up with this number?
Maybe they took a control sample group from the DR after one of the raids :?


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November 2006
Prostitution Growing
The daily Spanish newspaper Al Día reported that there are now about 9.000 prostitutes plying their trade in Costa Rica. The number of prostitutes has increased mainly to the increasing numbers of Dominican, Nicaraguan and Colombian women.Medical authorites are concerned because they have under their medical control only one third of the prostitutes, meaning there are about 6.000 prostitutes out there who are “outside the system”

I have always questioned this whole concept as people are lulled into a false sense of security thinking that the 3,000 registered prostitutes are somehow less risky. It is my understanding though, that AIDs and some other diseases can take months the “show”, and thus, even a newly examined person may be infected and not know it or show positive in tests, But I digress….

Caja has detected some 4.000 cases of HIV in the country, but the real number could be as high as 15.000. As with anything that could remotely affect tourism, the facts may not be quite acuurately given. Transvestites that offer their services at night on the corners of the downtown streets are also of major concern.

Prostitution in Costa Rica is perfectly legal, but procuring (pimping) is not. Thus, as sexual tourism is, like it or not, an important part of Costa Rica tourism industry, I want to provide warning to any visitor that you should NOT trust the “system” to protect you. Protect yourself!


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Medical authorites are concerned because they have under their medical control only one third of the prostitutes, meaning there are about 6.000 prostitutes out there who are “outside the system”


I wonder what the blogger meant by that? There is no required medical certificate for prostitutes and since they are not legitimately employed they do not belong to the CAJA system. I wonder what system he is referring to?

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from a.m. costa rica today

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Tourism trend is leaning against adult prostitution

By José Pablo Ramírez Vindas
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A tourism campaign on prostitution appears to have incliuded legal adult prostitution as well as the illegal prostitution of minors.

Thursday the Fundación Paniamor announced that the Best Western hotel chain, operated by Hotelera Marta, had signed its code of conduct. The major emphasis of the code is against sexual contact with minors.

The Best Western Jacó Beach has prohibited the entry of persons who employees consider to be prostitutes since 2004, and Best Western Irazú in La Uruca has done so since 2006, said a company spokesman. This includes adults.

The spokesman, Rodrigo Coto, corporate director, said he estimated that the Jacó facility has lost some $45,000 per year by denying entry to prostitutes.

The hotel firm "rejects whatever type of activity related with prostitution and opposes the fact that Costa Rica is promoted as a sexual destination internationally," said a handout. A table sign distributed by the company says "No to prostitution. To promote prostitution is illegal. We do not allow activities related to prostitution in our facilities. We reserve the right to admission."

María Teresa Guillen, who promotes the code for Paniamor, said that her foundation is working so that acceptance of the code will be required for tourism facilities that seek to renew their certificate with the Instituto Costarricense de Turismo.

Paniamor has long campaigned against the prostitution of minors. But the session Thursday was the first suggestion that the code could be extended and that adult prostitution would be covered. More than 200 firms have signed the existing code

The Gran Hotel Costa Rica, a venerable San José institution opposite the Teatro Nacional, changed its policy several years ago to preclude guests from entertaining in the rooms. The hotel now characterizes itself as a family venue. This seems to have been a successful change, although there was a short-term loss of customers.

Paniamor has been providing training to hotel employees. The organization said that the Cámera Comercio del Pacifico Central and other tourism facilities have joined to support the initiative.

The fight against the prostitution of minors has been weakened by the presence of adult prostitution that is not illegal. Frequently minors are simply following in the footsteps of their older siblings, who started their careers as minors.

There was no explanation Thursday how hotel employees are supposed to recognize prostitutes who may be checking in to a hotel. If the experiences in the center of San José are any guide, employees probably will target good-looking women alone or in a small group,

Hotel Irazú table sign



although they may not be prostitutes. Costa Ricans are generally blind to male prostitutes.

Milena Grillo, Paniamor's executive director, did not mention the Central Valley Thursday as she listed what she considered to be the major areas of prostitution: Tamarindo, Flamingo, Sámara, Papagayo, Jacó, Quepos, Manuel Antonio on the Pacific and Manzanillo, Cahuita and Tortuguero on the Caribbean.

She also made the astonishing claim that 60 percent of the persons who solicit paid sex are from the United States. She did not cite her evidence, although prostitution is a Latin tradition, and girls as young as 12 can be seen soliciting customers at cantinas all over the country. In addition, San José has an extensive network of brothels that seldom are frequented by tourists or North American expats.

Also unclear is how hotels can bar adult prostitutes under the law.

The code of conduct has been supported by the Asociación Costarricense de Operatores de Turismo, the Asociación Costarricense de Profesionales in Turismo, World Vision in Costa Rica and Save the Ch*ldren of Sweden. None of these groups suggested they were targeting adult prostitution, although the family pressures on the young toward prostitution are well known.

Ms. Grillo noted that contact between minors who are prostitutes and their customers also takes place in private apartments and condominiums. She estimated the Latin American income from prostitution to be some $16 billion a year, citing data from the International Organization for Migration.

Codes of conduct notwithstanding, young women who obviously are below the adult age here of 18 can be seen every evening in Parque Morazán in the Central of San José. In addition young prostitutes gather all over the country outside of bars frequented by adult prostitutes. Sometimes the adult prostitute inside is negotiating on behalf of the minor outside.

These locations are well known and some have tourism certificates. Costa Rica has always had an uneasy truce with illegal prostitution of minors and pimping in any form.


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Just from spot the monger observations on my filghts 2 to 3% is realistic but I think it was a bit higher 3 plus years ago when I started mongering. The tourists are growing even faster than us from my obserations.rbc100

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Shawn4DelRey wrote:
Remember Del Rey has 100 rooms and stays booked alot of the time. They don't have many bad nights. Some of those rooms have more than one occupant registered.


That kind of buttresses the thinking that mongers are a very small percentage of the tourism market.

HDR 104 rooms x 365 nights = 37,960 room nights ./. 3 night average stay produces 12653 guests ./. 12 months = 1054 mongers a month out of 68,000 North American visitors each month. Less than 2% at the premier monger hotel in San Jose.
I brought that up because I am curious as to what % of the mongers in town at any given time actually stay in HDR. I stay there alot , but have noticed that most of the CRT members I meet stay elsewhere. If HDR is housing ...say 1.5% of the tourists , I wonder what the overall % would be for all the other hotels combined. Obviously , this would be very difficult to find out. Other facors not being considered would be the average length of stay and average # of trips annually of mongers versus other tourists.

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Shawn4DelRey wrote:
I brought that up because I am curious as to what % of the mongers in town at any given time actually stay in HDR. I stay there alot , but have noticed that most of the CRT members I meet stay elsewhere. If HDR is housing ...say 1.5% of the tourists , I wonder what the overall % would be for all the other hotels combined. Obviously , this would be very difficult to find out. Other facors not being considered would be the average length of stay and average # of trips annually of mongers versus other tourists.


The HDR with 104 rooms most likely easily matches the total of CRT mongers who are staying at the SL, Presidente, Amon Plaza, Castillo, ZB, Casa Vino, etc on any given night. Using an average stay of 3 nights was perhaps a bit on the liberal side as I would think the average stay is more like 5 nights which would have the effect of reducing the percentage. Average number of trips is not relevant since using room nights counts the body and really that makes no difference if that person is on their first trip ever or their tenth trip that year.

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