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I was at the Key Largo a few weeks ago and a cute little chica caught my eye, and vice versa. I motioned her over for a drink and she said yes. We chatted and she naturally asked if I wanted 'company' that night. I said yes, if we can agree on a price. We settled on 25k Colones. As we were finishing our drinks, I noticed that she seemed abstracted, staring off into the distance, not making much eye contact. I decided perhaps I had been hasty in striking a deal with her, so I told her that she didn't seem too interested, and if she preferred, I would give her 5k and she could go her way, or if she really wanted to be with me, she could come with me for the 25.

She took the 5, smiled, and off she went.

I reproach myself a little for not doing a bit more attitude check before making an offer, but all in all I feel I saved myself 20k. Bad fucks are a dime a dozen, no matter how they look.

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Bilko,

Consider it a "donation to a charitable cause"...it's a another write-off on your 1040...

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You gave her 5k too much in my opinion.

I wouldn't have given her shit, except a goodbye.

when i am in the kl...i have at least 2 or 3 girls i am making moves on and i have had many girls say to me when i tell them i am going to take a piss " poppy ...you coming back " i think i am know as a runner !!! so when it happens to me ..i laugh as its just a game ....i am looking for the best deal and they are looking for the fastest or the guy who they think they can get 100.00 with...before every trip i want to get a shirt that reads
"I ONLY PAY 50.00" or BAREBACK BLOWJOBS ONLY" but for you to give her 10.00 alot of us wont understand why you did ? but its your money and you can do what you want with it...

I paid to get an honest answer, which I believe I got. I could have welshed on the 'deal' or I could have told her I changed my mind, but I was curious what she'd prefer, and I was raised to honor whatever bargains I strike.

I anticipated that some would think I should have told her to just take a hike, and it's a valid position, just not my style. I am STILL waiting for somebody to say 'you should have just taken her home for $50 if she was hot. Attitude, schmattitude...'

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I'm going to have to go with Chilimike and Orange on this. You gave her WAAAYYY more than she deserved. MAybe she didn't deserve nothing at all but certainly much closer to than to the amount you gave.

I can appreciate wanting to settle your curiousity about how she'd respond but was the answer to your question really worth THAT much? Why offer just 5K? Why stop there? Why not ask her if she'd rather you just give her the whole 25K and the choice of whether she'd reciprocate for your generosity. If someone offered you or me a choice of whether to accept $10 bucks and some free drinks for just sitting on my ass or $50 for doing something that most normal girls her age would find somewhat distasteful, I think its pretty obvious the way many if not most people would go. $10 may not seem like a lot of money to you but it is half a days wages for most ticos. Much more telling would be if you had offered a much more modest and token amount.

But what about your other excuse about not wanting to welsh on an agreement? In legal terms, a contract contains certain elements, including among some other things: an offer, acceptance, consideration (a benefit of some value, such as a deposit, though sometimes just something nominal or token, suchas your word), terms (of course) and finally the actual performance of whatever is agreed upon. A contract is not considered enforceable or legally binding until at least the first 3 items are present.

Were those conditions met here? What did she give you that might qualify as consideration other than her promise to perform and a little bit of her time? Keep in mind that she probably has often spent just as much time on that barstool with other guys, letting them buy her drinks, without them EVER coming to terms. You yourself said the decision was hasty, so the time each of you had invested up to that point must have been minimal and thus largely meaningless to this discussion. Whats more, even if consideration was given here, a contract can be breakable or unenforceable (aka rescission) if the consideration given is latter found to be worth less than expected. Her earlier promises of "Oh I'll rock your world babee" were beginning to seem a wistful dream and so you had every right to rescind your deal.

Furthermore, when her attitude changed so radically after she thought she had you hooked that was like warning bells. Her "consideration" then became less valuable than it originally appeared and you had every right to walk away guiltfree. At most, I would have just told her "since you suddenly don't seem so interested lets forget the whole thing, here's 1K colones, thanks for your time" and that would still probably be 1K more than she deserved.

That's the legal argument, but what about the simple question of decency and honor? I agree that one should normally live up to their promises, whether some other sort of "consideration" is given or not, but should that still be the case when the other side is not living up to theirs? Could this really have been considered "Welshing"? Hadn't she in a sense already broken her word. She's all lovey-dovey one moment leading you to think you're going to have a wonderful session and then suddenly as soon as SHE agrees to the amount you offered her attitude changes radically. If she didn't like it, she simply shouldn't have agreed to it. Did she say "Okay, I'll SETTLE for 25K but I'm NOT happy about it and you CAN'T make me LIKE it"? Isn't better to walk away before both sides have too much invested than to continue to pursue a bad deal and run into an even more difficult time coming to an mutually agreeable settlement? If she had made it all the back to your room or had even started disrobing and the deal had gone bad then she might be entitled to 10K for her troubles, but not for sitting with you for a few minutes at the bar.

Its because so many guys are willing to throw money around the BM with girls having to do so little to really earn it that they think they can get away with the shit they try to do. Why go with a guy and really rock his world for an hour for $50, when you can at worst go and do a half-assed job and still get paid or, better yet, get paid $10 for doing nothing at all but simply satisfying a guy's idle curiousity? Hey Bilko, is there anything else you're curious about?

No one mentioned this She received $10 and now could go look for another guy who would pay $50 or more. Most of these women are street wise and would have that in their mind immediately

Right call Bilko, right call.
LVSteve

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That $10 may buy you a great time with that chca in the future. Think of it as an investment. On some future night,when business isn't too good,she may remember that you were a good guy and come running to you. To avoid just this situation,I try to leave the negotiating part of my discussion with the chica until last,with the exception that I usually slip in that cien is out of the question. That way,if she stays it's with the knowledge that I am NOT a typical Gringo that pays a lot. However nothing is foolproof. Just last night I had negotiated a 25,000 colones rate with a cute,new Tica only to have her bolt on me. Oh well,I found an even better one for the same price. As MG says....NEXT.

Sure she may remember you and come running up some future night. But will it be as the good guy or the sucker who gave her $10 for sitting with him for 5 minutes, letting him buy her a drink and then letting her go for just answering a question? Actually, it will probably be for BOTH being a good guy and a sucker because in a lot of these girl's minds the two things are one and the same. Its good when they can find a sucker. A better question will be whether that $10 investment will translate to Bilko being able to negotiate a deal that was $10 or more less than he'd have been able to get anyway or whether she sticks to a higher price because she knows he's a soft touch that will pay. Put another way, how is paying $10 to answer a question helping her know that you are NOT "a typical Gringo that pays a lot"? It seems to me such practices only prove the opposite.

I have to completely disagree with Steve and Bob, this has absolutely nothing to do with being a honorable or nice guy. As Bob pointed out she can spend a bunch of time sitting with you and you might never come to any agreement. Does that mean you owe her for the time she invested sitting with you? Whether you agree on a price right away or after you've been sitting together for a while, the time up to that moment you agree on a price is meaningless and the time between that moment and when you leave is usually fairly short. Certainly those few minutes of her time (her consideration) are not worth as much as 5K colones. Granted your consideration (your word) should be highly meaningful to you but if her demeanor suddenly changes or you suddenly have some other valid basis for beleiving that she's not going to live up to her end of the agreement once you get back to the room (enthusiastic performance) then you have every right not to live up to your side. Better you should cut your loses early before you really DO owe her something for her time. Sending a girl packing early after you got back to your room probably would cost you 5K colones for her time or would you just continue to suffer through the whole hour (or god forbid TLN) because "you gave your word"?

I have to agree with Bilko & VB here. If you are a guy that comes to CR a lot or lives there it plays out well from what I have experienced at least most of the time. If you aren't around much I wouldn't do this type of deal much. I like to see how they react to this type of situation also. I like letting them have some input like this to see where their mind is really at. I believe you get a better performance out of many by this type of thinking.

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Not so sure if living there really makes a difference. Hopefully, you already would have established a good enough relationship with enough chicas that getting tough with one and reneging on a deal for the reasons stated here wouldn't matter much. And in fact, it may just have the opposite effect, in that now they look at you as a sucker.

However, it probably WAS the right call in blowing off the session. There's nothing worse than that feeling of going all the way back to the room and knowing you're in for a non-performance. How much I pay a girl when that happens depends a lot on what happened prior. Last trip, I kicked one girl out of the room at the beginning of a 3-some session (keeping the other) for non-performance - however, I gave her $40 because we had had fun dancing at El Pueblo for several hours earlier.

However, in my May trip, I cut short a 3-some with two girls I pulled out of Key Largo and gave them nothing but cab fare back to Key Largo, as I had pulled the trigger quickly (too quickly it turned out) and they hadn't really spent any time with me to that point.

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Projilo,

I won't go point by point on your post, because I'm too lazy.

I realize I had no legal or really any moral obligation, I did what I did for my own reasons, being, curiosity and my self-image as a guy who follows his own code of ethics.

Her attitude didn't do a 180, though. It was more subtle than that, something others may not have even noticed. I have watched others with their 'companions' and seen many who seemed oblivious to the obvious disinterest displayed by the chica with them. I flatter myself that my own radar is above average. She did nothing blatant, but enough to make me question my original offer.

As far as 5k colones being way too much... If to pay anything at all was ok, then I am NOT going to worry about 5k. I am not a spendthrift by any means, but 5k to me is not a giant amount. I have spent that much on a drink or 2 for GUYS I just met and whose company I enjoyed. At the end of the evening, I am not going to count my money and wonder 'gee, where did that 5k go?'

As far as spoiling this chica or the fact that now she can go find another John and he total will be all the way up to taking home 30k instead of 25k, that thought doesn't bother me a bit. I don't expect to change behavior of these chicas, it's not my problem. Has the next John suffered in any way from what I did? Have I upped her price somehow? Is that even my concern if I did? And if I paid her a day's wages worth at McDonald's... so what?

More generally, I think too many guys get hung up on trying to 'make a point' with the chicas, as if a snappy comeback to a request for 'cien' is going to make them take a look in the mirror and say 'you know, he's right, I AM NOT worth cien. I'm going to lower my price to where even the cheapest and rudest guys want me." I have seen so many posts here decrying guys who pay cien and how they are 'ruining it' for the 'rest of us.' First of all, they are preaching to the choir. Secondly, even if you could personally talk to every guy that walked in the door of the Del Rey and give your spiel, you'd get told to go Phuck yourself more often than you'd get thanks. A wise old hippy philosopher once advised that you can't change the rest of the world, but you can change yourself. If you don't think cien is fair, don't pay it. If you think me paying 5k in this situation was out of line, then you certainly don't have to do anything similar yourself. When I see gringos overpaying I may occasionally suggest alternatives if I think they are just ignorant of the situation, but I don't do it because they are 'ruining it' for me.

I sure typed a lot for a lazy guy, didn't I?

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Bilko,

Good points, although many here will probably not like your take on cien I do agree with it. It is a free market & it simply is what it is.

Each chica we meet can be far different from each other in every way so reading & playing them well is really how to get the best test drive. Insulting them in anyway never produces good results too me anyway. I like to know a woman will enjoy the time as well as the money so I like your style . When I catch one I am with who says she wants me but she is not focused in any way looking at other guys & talking on the phone etc. I will tell them I have to piss & don't come back . This may not be nice but what they were doing wasn't cool in my book either. The sweet good ones you find I treat with the same respect they show me the rest I just ignore.

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Bilko raises some good points here. To those of you who choose the approach of "phuck her" over 5K colones I say Feliz Navidad. To many of us here,the goal is to have as many great experiences as possible. If 5K increases that possibility with that chica (who Bilko obviously has some interest in) or a friend of hers then I say go for it. However my personal preference would be to buy her another drink just before moving on,as the symbolism of cash could be misconstrued by her. Also let me say that some of my greatest experiences in CR have come from introductions from DR working chicas to friends of theirs because they won't go into the DR and their friend thinks I am a nice guy (I know...that's debatable). In fact a beautiful Tica is coming to my house today that I met just this way over 2 1/2 years ago. She STILL hasn't been to the DR or any other place with "the Gringos" I wonder if I had taken the attitude expressed here of "I don't owe her shit if I don't phuck her", if I would get to meet so many of these hard to find gems. I also agree that living here enhances these possibilities since the urgency of having the chica "right now or never" isn't as important.