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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:07 pm 
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The following is something I wanted to share with you all, just to get it out there.

I was going thru a box of junk tonight and found a Hotel Presidente stationary with the following message written by a "new-to-the-business-young-college tica-working at the famous Hotel Del Rey-to pay for school."

It was written in spanish and I translated for all to read.
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I "Traylor Park" am in agreement to pay the sum of $150 dollars and an additional 10.000 colones in the morning (9:00am). All that is normal sexo only.

My signature: Traylor Park
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I met this Tica, her name is Maria, on my first trip. She was going to school and had all these interesting plans regarding her future. She was the only chica that I could talk to in Costa Rica about almost anything; history, politics, fashion, movies, writing, literature, music and life in general.

Maria invited me to several school parties. She also invited me to attend a fashion show her and her fellow design students put on to showcase their work. She talked about not wanting a boyfriend, only to get her pregnant, to change her plans for the future.

Maria always made sure to sit as far back from the windows at HDR. She preferred clients staying at HDR. She never walked out in public with a client, day or night. If she met a client staying at another hotel she would always take seperate taxis and meet whomever at whatever hotel they were staying at, for fear of being seen with a gringo. Becuase, that only means one thing, she's a working-chica, a puta.

Well I kept in touch with her for a few trips and then I eventually stopped communicating with her. I had always made it a point to look for her on my previous trips.

Over the Labor Day weekend as I was walking across the parking lot into Key Largo I heard someone call my name. I turned around and saw a chica sitting on the ledge with a few gringos standing off to the side. I walked over and saw it was Maria and I could not believe what I saw. The life of a working-chica had took its toll on this once sweet Tica with plans for the future. I wanted to invite her out for coffee so we could catch up but she said she was waiting for the gringos off to the side. I turned to look just as they walked up and one of them said something very insulting to her, which she did not understand since she doesn't speak English. I started to walk toward her and she looked at me and just shook her head "no."

I did not know what to do but it seemed to me she somehow understood that something was said and she did not want me to get involved. It was five against one and I had been drinking all day and worst I was still reeling over the fact that this chica had changed so drastically, in so little time. You could probably say I was drunk and I would have no problem speaking my mind, I never do, especially when I'm drunk, but I didn't say anything because she did not want me to. She accepted the life and all that it entails.

It was a sad night for me as I sat in Key Largo that night watching the chicas dance.

I kept ordering Jaguerbombs to numb my feelings.

I don't why but when I returned home from my newbie trip I made sure to keep the contract I signed in Costa Rica to have sex with a chica TLN.

Whenever I thought about Maria and the contract it always put a smile on my face.

But that all changed when I saw her on my last trip.

She looked like someone who had surrended to the life after trading in her dreams, for whatever reasons. For reasons I will never know.

The whole newbie experience is difficult to put into words, lots of things you can't or will ever understand about this world and the people who call it home.
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"i'm in love with a whore and i don't even know it." - Traylor Park


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:27 pm 
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"I'm in love with a whore and I don't even know it."

But now I know it. :(

My friend, you are truly a gentleman, especially when compared to those among us who are more callous, even obdurate about our playmates. You have the heart to look deeper. Thanks for posting this.

I thank you, because more than anything else stories like Maria's are reason enough for us to treat these girls with at least a little tenderness and some respect. Yeah, it's sad, and although it was, is and always will be her choice, the life is neither kind, forgiving nor pretty for most of these fallen angels.

The only thing which can absolve our guilty part in the ugliness of their lives is by bringing in some beauty. I'm of course not suggesting that any one of us allow himself to be played, robbed or cheated.

I am however suggesting that as each of us shows a bit of respect, a friendly and happy-go-lucky attitude, careful generosity and some patience, each girl's life will be a little less sad. We'll benefit as well, because each kindness is truly rare in most working girls' lives and is therefore often more appreciated.

Thanks again my friend.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:01 am 
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I edit for a living and have not learned a new word in quite some time. However, you had me look up obdurate.

Also, thanks to the original poster for giving us a different perspective.

I am a newbie (only been to Costa Rica once this past summer). It is great to learn from the postings of everybody else.

I imagine the life must break alot of the women there. As El Ciego said, we must walk the line of not allowing ourselves to be taken advantage of, yet never forgetting that we are engaging with human beings.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:31 am 
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I think it's right and just to treat the girls well, but I fear that many of us go to third world mongering destinations with a salvation complex.

We are often powerless with women in our own backyards, and we (erroneously) presume that, simply because of economic factors, we'll have more power in Costa Rica. To a degree we do, but we also often believe that this power will allow us to "save" these women, thus establishing greater power over another human being.

This is dangerous. The girls don't want to be "saved" by you or anyone else, but they're more than aware of the impiulse. And whether our desire to salvage their pitiful lives comes from charity, altruism or something darker, they know how to use this impulse against us to get what they want, usually money.

Yes, treat them with the same level of respect you'd give any woman during a one-night affair. Do not however let your common sense be ruled by these impulses...none of us can save these sweet ones, even if they wanted us to.

BTW, Harvoolio... I trust I used the word correctly? :)

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The lure of making $200-300/day for a young,pretty chica,instead of $200/MONTH is overwhelming. It draws in the nice and not so nice chicas who run the gamet of how they spend the money. Sadly there is a price to be paid. All the working girls change,both physically and emotionally,just at different rates. Most chicas enter the business as a temporary fix to their financial problems,but getting in is a shitload easier than getting out. To TP the problem your "friend" had was that she underestimated the power of making more money on one night than her dream job would pay her for a month's work. It's too bad,but that's the way it is.


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This is not a Costa Rican story. It is a story of the business of prostitution and fast money. It is a perfect example of why so much of society dislikes our hobby so much.
On the other side I know of women who have in fact mended financially broken families and have financed college educations and have graduated from the business no worse for the wear.
Treat them as a novia for the hour or the night, enjoy the fantasy. Do not get pulled in.
It is their character that will decide their fate.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:38 am 
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Yes, you used obdurate perfectly.

The below post is probably off-topic so feel free to resist going down the rabbit hole

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I actually have one problem with women that is perfectly suited to this hobby. As someone in his mid-thirties, I can fall for a woman but always look for a way out. Therefore, I have never had a woman take me to the cleaners financially (and only temporarily emotionally).

Except for an ex-girlfriend (who is an awesome person and a better friend) and a sister all of my best friends are guys.

So although I can temporarily be into the moment with a female, treat her well, and sympethize with her plight, I just don't fall hook, line and sinker (of course by saying this I finally just set myself up for a fall).

However, reading this bulletin board has been awesome for me. I will be coming to Costa Rica for all of May and June and look forward to meeting some of you.

I am holding out hope though that I can also meet some "nice" girls outside of the gulch, who won't only like me for money. However, at the first sign of RFM I will run.

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Sorry for the tangent.


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Harvoolio wrote:
I am holding out hope though that I can alos meet some "nice" girls outside of the gulch, who won't only like me for money.
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While I certainly wish you well in your quest to meet a non-working girl you should be forewarned that many come with that hope and go home very disappointed.

You have a couple of things in your favor. Your age and your intended length of stay. Hopefully you have the ability to carry on a conversation in basic Spanish as this will really help. Make sure you get out of the gulch in your search. Most "nice girls" do not want to be seen there. Good Luck.

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Harvoolio,

The post isn't really off-topic. :)

Maria's condition as described by Traylor Park above was affected by her treatment of others and at the hands of others.

The psychology of prostitution is incredibly complex, and while I would never ask a working girl why she does it, I believe that the girls have as many reasons as we for participating in this commerce. Certainly, reluctance to commit is among these reasons.

I have found compulsive liars, masochists, avaricious ones, lecherous ones, those with low self-esteem, addicts, alcoholics and manic-depressives in my commerce with prostitutes. Presented in the mirror are the same types among mongers.

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show me a perfect world and i will show u nirvona 8) we all have our drethers


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Irish Drifter: I plan on studying Spanish with a tutor in Escazu for two months. Through Skype, I have also been establishing a foundation group of college Tica friends. Although I agree the odds are stacked against it, any success in my endeavor would probably come from this group.

El Ciego: To be candid, along with the sex, it is the fascinating world of the gulch that interests me. I am absorbed 100% in my work for such a long period of time, that the two months make a perfect escape.

My goal is to pursue Costa Rica in a manifold manner: Enjoy the break; enjoy the people; enjoy the women; enjoy learning the language; enjoy the possibility that I might find romance with a non-working girl.

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I just came back from a short biz trip to Bogota. While there, my wingman and I hit many of the Bogota hotspots...and we were also comparing the Colombianas we observed there with those that come to Panama and San Jose. In response to this thread, thought I would share a couple observations.

First, like someone else mentioned, you cant blanket categorize the working girls. They come in all shapes, sizes and mental states of being. You have your newbies, your longtimers, short timers, part timers...smart ones, dumb ones, cute ones, ugly ones...and what is even more interesting to me is that ALL of them get action at some level or another. This probably represents the variety of men that hook up with this variety of female providers.

I have recently met a couple Colombianas in Panama who are working but not hardcore. ONe in particular has definite goals financially of how long she is working in this in order to build a house for her family back in Bogota. Parents dead...and she is supporting a young son and her sister and brother back in Colombia. Definitely has a more marture outlook on life and even the business...has been fun company for a buddy of mine...and I would say we are friends. Verified all of this by meeting her family in Bogota this week and helping pass along some papers from the sister in Panama. Very nice family and people...her story verified though they have no official idea of what she is doing in Panama. They think she is working in a Casino. I guess she is in a a way :wink: ... Anyways...I dont think this is the "typical" girl in this profession. And hopefully, she will find her desired exit from the biz on her own terms.

On the other hand...my friend and I toured a number of mongering establishments in Bogota. And while it was entertaining and all, we actually found a lot of "hard core" Colombianas in this scene in Bogota. They are definitely different than most of the "fresh" attractive girls you see all over the city. We went to a high class place called Club 49...lots of pretty girls...but the "gringo" price was too high and we passed. From there we went to an after hours place...which I dont remember the name unfortunately...but it is known as the 3AM destination for all types of working girls after the bars and strip clubs close at 1 or 2AM...which is most of the establishments in Bogota. Sure enough...taxi after taxi of chicas started pulling up to this large house/club at 2:30AM...and by 3:30...the dance floor was packed with working girls dancing mostly by themselves or each other...and guys standing around picking out what they wanted. It was a very interesting scene...mostly younger people...NO gringos...and no one our age really. My wingmans claim to fame that night was being "shut down" by a hooker...the only one he found interesting. We took it lightly...but it was obviously as much ladies choice in this place as vice versa. I found myself turned off by the place because most of these girls reminded me of the "Maria" that Trailor Park leads this thread of with. Burnt out young girls (some looked underaged to me)...most of them with a druggy glaze/haze in their eyes...and most of them available in the attached "hostal" for a quick $20-30 blowjob or Quicky. There were no potential GFs in this crowd...and I really felt I was among the lost and forgotten girls of Bogota.

To leave on a positive note, there were many bright and "fresh" girls that we met over a couple days at the hotel, through biz meetings etc. There are many beauties in Bogota as elsewhere in Colombian. But truth be told...the hardcore sex providers are not what most of us are really looking for in a woman. And to try and have a "GF" relationship with one is truly foolhearty in my book. These experiences made me even MORE thankful for my Colombiana GF...

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As with any high paying job, there is always a price to pay. High level execs lose empathy for workers as people and see them just as numbers. There stress level and work demands results in broken families, early death due to stress and heart attacks and eventually an detachment to regular people.

Working girls face the same problem, with this high paying job of thiers, there really is a lot of shame and pain, especially for people growing up in a religious country. As boys, when we masterbated in our youth, we felt shame due to the whole Catholic and Puritan belief of this country. Imagine that feeling magnified 1o folds. Aside from that, you just feel dirty going out with men who you have no attachment to, men who could be your father, your grandfather. Also there is the fear of actually seeing your father,uncle, grandfather or other relatives at one of your workplaces. Even one of thier friends seeing you will result in immediate ostrilization from your family for bringing shame to the family name. Chismos is very alive in Latin America. That's a lot of pressure on a person. Then add the constant drinking and party atmosphere and some of the clients requesting you use party favors with them. One of these days, you just feel really down and guess what, you just phucked your life up. Fear, shame and temptation are all things these girls encounter day to day.

And then lastly, there is the fear of becoming inhuman, the girls do think about this. That they can no longer be in a normal relationship because they see all men as simply big wallets. That sex no longer mean anything and that they can no longer enjoy it. It's not true but sometimes the fear of something makes it worst than the thing itself.

I've lived with a working girl for two years. And there were nights where she just couldn't help but cry for no reason and all you could do was hold here and let her let it out. There are also times when the working girl persona is brought home after work. If you were a weak man, it's very easy to let that trash into the house and after that, the relationship is over because she lost all respect for you. The moment you aren't her Man anymore, is the moment you can start counting the days until someone else will take her from you.

Bottomline, getting into this job is a deal with the devil. You reap great rewards but at the price of your self and your soul.


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why was a 2 year old thread bumped so we could reread it?
not being mean did something happen i missed????

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The answer as to what keeps them in the life, hooked, and degrades them physically and emotionally can often be summed up in a word, cocaine. In the U.S.A. this is near a universal and surely it`s often the case in Costa Rica, though by no means always the case... We want to think these girls just do a gringo occasionally to support their bambinos. That`s what they tell us and this is most comfortable on our psyches, but many graduate to other things.


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