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Author:  Jazz Musician [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:27 am ]
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Of the two genders, it's pretty indisputable women are the more sexual animals. Their skin, curves, seductive lips have been the subject of so many paintings, to say nothing of their attraction to contemporary media to sell products. But beyond their obvious superior aesthetic appeal is their limitless capacity for sexual pleasure. They are literally capable of sexual pleasure around the clock, long after men have turned over, snoring. They're easily capable of three times the orgasms of men in a lifetime, and probably more like ten. Their rise to orgasm is slower and once there, lasts longer. They're capable of phucking a man silly and moving right on to the next, if they wish.

Are they also the superior sex when it comes to romance? Do they have more self control? Does it take more for them to fall in love and once they do, are they less likely to "fall hard" if their heart is broken? Are they less prone to "love at first sight?" Are they generally more supportive of each other, allowing them to keep romance with a man in perspective? Are they less vulnerable to the euphoria associated with the visual sight of the opposite sex?

Any student of American Popular Song realizes the potential of men's "syrupy, sweet, gooey, sentimental," mindset. The lyrics of literally thousands of show tunes, sound track songs from movies, popular songs, and even blues over most of the 20th century suggests men are deeply troubled (lol). It is men who have written the majority of those lyrics, from Richard Rogers, to Jerome Kern, to Isham Jones, Alec Wilder, Cole Porter; it goes on and on. Look at some of the titles; "Falling In Love With Love," "But Beautiful," "Everything Happens To Me," "All the Things You Are," "My Foolish Heart," etc. It's not much different in the blues and rock idioms.

Men like to think they're the tough ones, strong, macho, and invincible. But talk to any woman of experience, and she'll tell you straight to your face that men are like Babi*s. They get weak-knee'd at the sight of a pretty girl, slobber on themselves, and tend to get on bended knee when they get desperate. They're typically not as good living alone, needing a woman for acceptance. It always makes me laugh when girls "bump up" their price a cien or more to "sleep" with me. Men have apparently proved to these girls that there's money in "sleep."

To make matters worse, men "pick," but women "choose." And all the risk falls squarely on a man's shoulders when it comes to the mating ritual - not counting P4P - and there's not a god dam thing you can do to change that. It just "is." If we do count "P4P," of course everything changes. It's been said more than once that money is the "great equalizer."

Are women the more sexual animals? Are they the stronger sex mentally able to parse their emotions, be more disciplined, hence more independent and even happy ?

Just maybe they are.
Author:  Staven [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:05 pm ]
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I hear everything that you say Jazz and for most part I agree, but on a big level disagree.

If you look at pure sexuality women are by far stronger of the species. Be it counting the number of orgasms vs. the endurance of a woman or the length of orgasm. When a woman chooses her target there is no denying the power of a woman to convice a man that may not have looked at her that he actually wants her. That being said, there is a huge flip side.

I believe women, especially compared to today's men are more dependant on men then the vice. Here are my examples. THere is a much higher ratio of women willing to (I know I will get flamed for this) allow themselves to stay in a abusive relationship then men, be it physically or emotionally. I know some will say that men are much more able to commit a physical abuse , but when factored with emotional abuse the women have leveled the playing field if not surpased in that ability. Compound it with the simple fact of the single middle aged man, and take this very board for example. Most men will find a way to satisfy their sexual needs without compromising their lifestyle or freedom after going through a bad relationship. This board proves that. Most women will keep trying to find that replacement and often replace with another bad choice unless they begin to understand their own psyche and reason for attraction to the wrong type.

Today's man has learned to cook, iron, take care of his house. Compound this with my personall impression of present day rock and alternative music vs Hip/Hop and Rap. Most younger male musicians in my impression sing more about the downfall of the woman and their poor qualities. How they cheat and more so as to how all they want is to sleep with them just for the night and toss them in the morning. Take such bands as Nickleback, Nine Inch Nails, Red Hot Chilli Peppers or Nellie, and Jay Z.... the songs about true love dont exist in this generation as much.

I think men are learning to move on and just use what it is for the day and women are slowly learning that the almighty career does not fulfill their lives like a truly supportive husband could.

My ten cents and I am probably wrong but oh well :wink:
Author:  Tman [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:29 pm ]
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Good points both of you. In my personal experience, outside of physical strength...I do find women to be the "stronger" sex. My mother is stronger willed and more disciplined than my father. My sister is more in charge of her family and future than her husband. My grandmothers on both sides really had it over the grandfathers in influenceing their families and running the homes. And it is my belief that while women show their emotions much easily and quickly than most men...they rebound faster by "getting it out of their systems" while men tend to steam and internalize their emotions...be the tough guy. These are some of the reasons I believe women out live men generally. This balance they show in life lets them live longer and less stressful lives.

Sure, on the other hand men have the upperhand in making the money, having the career and "leadership" in business...an equalizer if you will...but alot of that still may be based on cultural mores of women stuck in childbearing and homesteading versus generations of experience in running businesses.

IN running businesses though, I still have found women can concentrate and work as long hours or more than men. In my neighborhood we have chinese businesses like laundries and shops. In most those cases it looks like the women direct the men...having them do the heavy lifting...but otherwise men following their lead. Some of the most effective salespeople I have seen are women who can use charm and femininity along with dogged determination to sell or get what they want.

If they were able to sell the world on the idea that God is a woman...that would really turn a lot of perceptions in our world upside down. I dont know if that would make us less of a world in religious warring parties...but leaders MIGHT converse and communicate better with women leading the negotiations. Just a thought...

Its really a womans world....but SHHH...dont tell them :wink: ...
Author:  Jazz Musician [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:00 pm ]
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Staven,

I find many rap lyrics show just how desperate some men are for female approval. They come on tough with their clothes, cars, etc., but in the final analysis, know the fine young form holds the "cards." The "sales pitch" of young men in some of those videos is not so different than the love songs of yesterday, the man on one knee, hands clenched. I had to laugh when I heard Snoop came to Brazil for pu*sy. Shows even the guys with the mega bucks feel the need to "level" the playing field with P4P.

I think in your first paragraph you're talking about pathological women who stay with such men. You point to a deep insecurity running through some men's veins that would cause them to abuse women.

Men would have you believe they're the more sexually adept and robust, interested more in sex than pussy-whipped romanticism. The facts and history don't seem to bear that out. The truth is men are the true romantics, to the point of it being a flaw. We can't do much about our physiological differences with women - they rule when it comes to physical attraction and sexual endurance. But maybe we can learn something (from the "weaker" sex) about not seeing the whole universe through our "little heads," and assume more of a "I don't give a shit" attitude in the presense of beautiful women. Maybe, too, men can take a page from women's handbook, and learn how to support each other in our pursuit of independence, autonomy, and happiness, despite our proclivity to bond in romantic bliss every time something hot on two legs walks by.

This board goes a long way to accomplishing that.
Author:  Staven [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:10 pm ]
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Tman, those are all good points, but I think most are definitly ones of perception.

I grew up in a family (granted I am from Israel) where my grandfather and my dad by far worked much longer hours then my grandmother or mother. I work far more hours then my wife (who is a house wife, yes I know it is work) and when I get home I put in the time to give my K*ds attention and care after finishing two jobs.

As for the ability of women to let their emotions out and get over it or that they are able to please themselves (not only sexually) better then men I would like to point these questions. If a person lets their emotions out when ever they feel like it because they "feel" hurt without thought as to the consequences of what their statements may cause the other person, and then feel because they got it out of their system that everyone else involved needs to be over it and not hurt... does that make them stronger or selfish and not understanding of the pain that they can cause to others. Are you a weaker person because you think about your problems more and digest them before you talk about them as most men are? In the end it comes down to this question... who is actually the stronger person, the person willing to give and sacrifice of himself / herself or the one able to readily take for themselves.

Taking the actually emotionally abusive relationships out of the equation I find that women are the more selfish of the relationship on average. Having talked to many friends and also in my situation I have noticed a pattern. Most women let out their emotions, justified or not. After doing so they believe that men should act upon it immidiatly. Given that many times what they say can be just as hurtfull as what we say, I believe that it is much harder for a woman to say I am sorry and acknowledge that she has hurt the man. Where as a man will say he is sorry often to his wife or girlfriend. So who is stronger the woman for standing her ground and not saying sorry or the man for being willing to accept his responsibility in the pain of the other person and say to her I am sorry?

One last point if I may. Again on this I speak of an opinion of a Israeli and from a country that has been in seven wars now. I know that there are women that are in the military, now lets take it to the front line. Here we are not talking about raw strength, we are not talking about "how intelligent you are" but rather about the emotions in your mind and heart. How many believe that women are just as likely to pull the triger and take the life of that person at the end of the bullet or missle etc... There have not been many succesfull female divisions in the Israeli military for active combat. Here we talk about the willingness to take another life for the sake of the lives of ones you care about at home. Men have shown to be able to do that at a much higher level then women.

My point being is that the stronger sex is point of perspective. We know both sexes can work hard and long hours. There is no contest as to the woman's sexual prowess. But when one talks of emotions and the ability to persever I believe it becomes grey and and depends on how you look at it. I think some of the points such as letting emotions out and as for picking the terms for a relationship so much I would call those selfish properties not stronger. I would say that most men are the better in this, and because we have come to appreciate women more and respect them more in this century we are now being viewed as the weaker sex and women percieve themselves as the better, when they have become more selfish.

Truly the last point (sorry for the long post :? )... How many have gone out with a woman that wants to make as much or more money then you, be treated as your equal, but then when you go out on a date she wants to be treated like a "lady." you pay for the date (did she not get equal pay), you open the car door (is her hand broken or something?), should you get up from the table when she gets up, or pull the chair out for her to sit down. Point is they want to be equal, yet be treated above and made special. So what exactly is today's woman plan for making the man feel special and unique?

Done, and sorry for the verbose post... I have no problem if you guys disagree with me, and I apologize if I offended anyone. I did not mean to.
Author:  Tman [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:00 pm ]
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Staven...interesting discussion and points taken. Some of this really gets deep into why this site even exists. The myterious pursuits and games between the sexes.

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In the end it comes down to this question... who is actually the stronger person, the person willing to give and sacrifice of himself / herself or the one able to readily take for themselves.


This is the gray area...the definition of selfishness and strength. One could argue that the fighter who wins is the strongest while a pacifist would argue that the quiet sufferer who doest get their way is the strongest...even though its hard to see where they "win".

For me the heart of the matter comes down to the balance between altruism and selfishness. In my opinion, both can be a strength...or a weakness if they are out of balance. Its the old ying yang, give take thing. Nobody can just give and give without getting anything in return without burning out at some point. Love lost. But those that TAKE all the time cant be showing a lot of respect or love either. To me, strong people make strong bonds...whether its male friends, or romantic relationships. When you have one weak/one strong...there will someday be trouble in the relationship. So my best model for successful relations is being with other successful people...meaning the women in my life also.

When it comes to the bigger issue you mention from your home country...that is in my opinion a whole different thing. It is about the human conflicts we have been discussiong...but disconnected and fighting for THOUSANDS of years...mostly based on emotion, race and religion. Its obviously a whole other topic...but on one hand ties back into the discussion of strengths and weaknesses of the sexes. Intolerance is the biggest word that comes to mind. Tolerance and respect for the differences. WHen people feel they are stronger, or outnumber other people...they tend to try and dictate conditions to let live. In traditional marriages even in your ethnic background...the man was the head of the house...and of course powerful men or rulers had many wives and "concubines". Men by tradition...and by war...were looked upon as the head of state, home and Synagogue. Still are really...dont you think?

So the question that hangs over our head...and pertinent to this discussion is...is it best to fall back on tradition...have the roles and relationships defined by traditional values and role playing. OR...is giving women a different role than just wife or concubine really helpful to humanities causes...and just possibly they COULD be the better and most reasonable leaders...maybe more peaceful? It could take a couple more lifetimes to figure all this out. Meanwhile, we live for today based on what we know and feel for now.
Author:  Staven [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:29 pm ]
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Tman,

Excellent points I think you may have misunderstood me in talking of my home country. And to answer your question, back home yes men are definitly seen more in the leader role then women. But forget not that Golda Meir was one of our greatest leaders and most men of my father's generation would gladly have died in the cause she chose. Something that the we cant say yet here in the USA. But this branches now into a political question. I spoke mainly of a man's ability to disconnect emotions and pull the triger to kill the other man, purely for protecting family, not based on faith or religious reasons, but purely from a I want my K*ds to live reason. THat is a ability that is sadly (very sadly) needed at times.

I believe that there are many things that women are better at then men and not just in the house. I will have to keep from answering the question about leadership and the woman's ability. Scientifically I thinki women are still more prone to emotional choices. This is not what I look for in a leader. Yes our little brains think for us, but is for those 30 seconds until we climax :shock: and then we think straight. To counter that, there are many prescription drugs to treat women due to mood swings that last days related to estrogen and progesteron in their body. ie look up PMS and PMDD, the use of prozac, seraphim or zoloft for these things. Again I am not sure on a leader role for women, I just voiced my concern on that in the statement above. Let me bash both sides (democrat and republican) we have Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Rice. I am not impressed with either. No I am not starting a political debate, I am just giving a real example of female leaders and my assesment of them.

Let me say again, sexually and in "love" I do not question that the woman is stronger or rather better/lucky for her abilities. Outside of that I definitly think it is grey as you said.

Pura Vida and to all a good mongering session :P
Author:  Redman69 [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:34 pm ]
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Man you guy's are to deep for me.

Jazz I agree that they are the weaker sex. But sneaky

Facts in the US

1. Women control 70% of all money

2. Women make up 64% of the people who vote in national elections.

3. Women make up 52% of the population.

4. Women have 100% of the pu*sy.

Yet! under the law they are a legal minority.

They ain't stupid.

And prostitution is not the worlds oldest profession. Enginerring is. We built something and then they wanted it.
Author:  Tman [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:03 pm ]
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Actually Redman...I had thought of bringing up those stats on women controlling a majority of money in the economic system...again a lot of it because they outlived their husbands who had made or managed it before :cry: .

One last point as to why I think women are stronger...not about guns and pulling the trigger to protect their K*ds. I personally think all are equal in that role...its just that women are not "brought up" learning how to do that as much as men are EXPECTED to. But when it comes to the pain of carrying and bearing Ch*ldren...I just dont think many of us men would do any better. And when it comes to making choices on their emotions versus reason...well...again personal experience...I think they are much more committed and in control than we are in "getting it done". Whatever that is. In summary...they are leading US versus us leading THEM...most of the time anyways. As Redman points out...they are just sneaky about it sometimes. YMMV
Author:  Jazz Musician [ Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:06 pm ]
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Redman - I put "weaker sex" in quotes. They're not, as your stats help note. My original premise was men can learn a thing or two from women. There's a lot of woman-bashing on this board, and for good reason. But there's a history of lyrics, literature, films, poetry - mostly created by men - which is terminally romantic and reflective, illuminating the depth of illusion men are capable of. At the same time juxtaposed over that is the image of the "potent" male "terminator" type, which when it comes to power in sex, is really no power at all.

Women have a sexual capacity extradonaire, combined with the discipline to "wait" and be focussed on reality, when it comes to the mating game. They have an "equilibrium" that's undeniable, in my view.
Author:  Zippy [ Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:42 am ]
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Really isn't this pretty simple? It is not our fault we are the weaker at sex. We where pre-programmed like this. F---king testosteroney hombres :? ! It is easy to be the stronger sex when you don't have the little Red Guy with the pitch fork tail using his 12,000 volt cattle-prod jabbing our little hamster wheel turning, churning, yearning & burning Neanderthal sex center in the brain :lol: .

It is obvious who has the "STRONGER" desire for pure sex & this is why we generally are always the payer! Yes many of us want it so bad we make fools of ourselves falling all over them :oops: . I really think this works against us more than for us & better control your self & at least look or appear strong. It is much easier to be stronger in these foreign "Lands of easy success" than at home. We have far more options & are in demand. All the men I know that could not stay disciplined & strong paid a terrible price for it. One thing that I have seen that seems to be a Golden Rule is weak men pay far more than strong men in more ways than one.

I know my "Visual behavior" is weak compared to my "Learned behavior". Every time I see something super hot with what I percieve as having everything in the right places I want to mount it in a heartbeat but after I have dismounted this & see that she has all these Gremlins out of control in her mind I get the hell out of Dodge no mater how hot I see her. Thank God for learned behavoir!

I really have just about as much fun talking with 3 or 4 Hot Latinas partying at their table buying them some drinks getting their tongues loose & listening to what they say. Letting them know in a nice polite way that I am not going with any of them & am waiting for a special friend to show up. It is fun for me to hear their hamster wheel spinning minds at work while they tell you who they like & why. It is worth the cost of the drinks with the right group & is a form of cheap entertainment for me.

Fascinating & well thought out ideas here & always fun to look at this stuff but using a lot of grey matter leads to lots of shades of grey in these areas. Stronger seems to lead to is the glass half-full or half empty? Looks too me like it is much easier for them to put us on the back burner than we can them "unless" they really NEED something :shock: .

I trust men's thinking generally better than most women when it comes to many jobs. Example the pilot of your plane as long as he doesn't have a Hot Pretty women up there with him & his mind is not on reproduction.
Men's minds tend to be more "mechanical" in nature than women who tend to be more emotional.

As far as women living longer than men this is very true but look at the statistics in CR & the gap narrows. What is this telling us???

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I know that there are women that are in the military, now lets take it to the front line. Here we are not talking about raw strength; we are not talking about "how intelligent you are" but rather about the emotions in your mind and heart. How many believe that women are just as likely to pull the trigger and take the life of that person at the end of the bullet or missle etc... There have not been many successful female divisions in the Israeli military for active combat.
I rather be in war with a guy by my side than a woman any day. My mind would be thinking more clearly for sure. Not to get too political but it seems like "GOOD" people are at a disadvantage to war than those that have been programmed to hate & killing as excepted or good ways to be :? . Enjoy our free time guys the world seems to be spinning faster than ever in some very dangerous ways at the moment anyway.
Author:  Santas Bro [ Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:38 am ]
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Thanks again for all the insight of the powerful men on this board.

A thought to condsider IMHO:

Industrialization of the past century has changed "what it means to be a man greatly". Before industrialization if your Dad was a farmer you were out in the fields with him learning what it means to be a man from him. A blacksmith, by his side at the anvil seeing how a man works and is. The Fathers taught boys what it means to be a man.

Then industrialization comes and has the man leaving the house and the Mother at home raising both the daughters and the sons. The Father comes home (often tired) and the sons have little input into what it is to be a man from the Father role model. Very rarely seeing how a man acts outside the home. The Mother now is trying to teach a man what it means to be a man. While I love my Mother greatly, she could no more teach me what it means to be a man, than I could teach my daughters what it means to be a woman. Society has set up men for failure, and I was only too happy to fall into that trap.

For me, I chose to give away much of the power I possessed as a man. The power that women crave and love from men. It was one of the main reasons, IMHO that I ended up divorced. I now have reclaimed myself as a man, and my life and psyche have never been greater. Plus it confuses the h*ll out of the ex. I no long do our old and tired "dance" since I still have to interface with her because of our daughters.

IMJ, power does not equate to domination. By again becoming a strong, powerful, and secure man within myself (true power), people are drawn to me. Since women relate to feelings (judgment, without data), whether there is data (a man's need) or not, it is only their perception that counts to them. Are there times when I slip back into old the comfort zone that my ego craves because they are old friends, sure but the times are becoming less frequent.

Again, thanks to all on this board. IMHO, there are more authentic men on this board than we meet in the real world. Men do not generally support other men. It is greatly appreciated by this newbie.

IMHO, if I as a man regain the power within myself, there is no doubt who is the most powerful sex. Women will happily succumb to the me as a man and will adoringly follow.

Health and pure Vida to all.

Santas bro
Author:  Right Hand Man [ Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:34 am ]
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Men have more control of their emotions but less control of their urges.
Author:  Tman [ Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:58 am ]
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Applause Santas Bro. Thanks for sharing this personal illustration. Its funny how we change quickly sometimes once we have been through "the fire". A lot of henpecked, marriage imprisoned men can not see the forrest for the trees until they get outside the relationship and look in. Not saying all marriages are a prison, but most guys I have known that married came to a point where they felt imprisoned in their lives and the institution of marriage, and societal expectations that brought with it.

Its also interesting to note, at least in my experiences, that those of us who get divorced and then become "a man" again in an independent sense...many of these ex wives start thinking they made a mistake...and we become more attractive to them once they have become a nothing in our eyes. This goes back to my presupposition that most women REALLY want us to be the leader and control the situation...but...in a sensitive and loving manner. When we fail to do so...either in "wearing the pants" or being loving and caring...they then have the uncanny ability to mentally andemotionally "cut our balls off".

Until I learned to set the limits and not be led by the nose because of sex or other promises...women did not respect me. They tried to run over me. I have put a stop to that...and have been happier and more fulfilled in every way since. And they have been happier with me too... :wink:
Author:  El Lamero [ Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:22 am ]
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Redman69 writes:

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And prostitution is not the worlds oldest profession. Enginerring is. We built something and then they wanted it.


And who was available to take the money those engineers made ? The truth is the women were born with it and we will do almost anything to get as much of it as we can (at the best price)

I heard the greatest line at the BB the other night. The chica loudly proclaimed she wanted cien por una hora. The guy looked pensive for a second, then thru a 5 mil colone note on the table, and said, "OK, I'll take 3 minutes." :-)
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