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 Post subject: Re: coranavirus concern
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:35 pm 
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nice introduction of politics there lennyspew
amazing how this situation brings out peoples true colors
must be a party at your house what w the market crashing and people dying
one thing for sure i'm glad i'm not you

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The week of Semana Santa in San Jose is traditionally as dead as it gets. That is up until now. My personal belief is that the measures being taken are creating more havoc than the virus left unchecked ever would have. People will die from the virus. A small percentage will die that would not have died from contracting the normal strain of flu. There will be lots of deaths that result from this hysteria that will never be attributed to the disease such as drug overdose deaths, suicides and stress induced homicides, heart attacks and strokes. The effect on the economy here will be housands of businesses close and hundreds of thousands of lost jobs. It will take many years to approach recovery.

The service providers that we most frequently come in contact with will be extremely hard hit. Not just the girls but the hotel employees, hotel owners, restaurant employees, cab drivers. Costa Rica doesn't have much of a social safety net. These people will turn to family and will suffer as they normally do, together. If you have ever had a relationship with a Costa Rican woman you will learn that family comes before you do.

Being in the most at risk group, I have not ventured out much. There is no real shortages here yet. Food is readily available. The number of people on the street is exponentially reduced. I was on Avenida Central yesterday and I estimate that the number of people out was about 20% the norm. I spoke with Dr. Lee the pharmacist who advised he had accounted for one average day of receipts in the past 5 days. That was including at least two days before the total closure of Costa Rica to tourists. I only saw 5 or six people out that I thought might still be tourists here in country. Leaving is not a problem if you are already here. Most of the businesses were still open on Avenida Central but owners were talking about closing next week.

A real sign of how bad things are here will be the week of Semana Santa when families normally go on vacation here. If the beaches are empty it will indicate that things are exceptionally bad for the middle class here. It will devastate the industries that count on this week like stores do Black Friday sales. Whether things open back up after April 12th will depend a lot on how the disease progresses throughout the rest of the world. It took three months in China for new cases to start declining. If the states follows the same pattern then expect the panic to continue until after mid-May. I suspect a complete lockdown in the states is coming soon.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:12 pm 
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The week of Semana Santa in San Jose is traditionally as dead as it gets. That is up until now. My personal belief is that the measures being taken are creating more havoc than the virus left unchecked ever would have. People will die from the virus. A small percentage will die that would not have died from contracting the normal strain of flu. There will be lots of deaths that result from this hysteria that will never be attributed to the disease such as drug overdose deaths, suicides and stress induced homicides, heart attacks and strokes. The effect on the economy here will be housands of businesses close and hundreds of thousands of lost jobs. It will take many years to approach recovery.

The service providers that we most frequently come in contact with will be extremely hard hit. Not just the girls but the hotel employees, hotel owners, restaurant employees, cab drivers. Costa Rica doesn't have much of a social safety net. These people will turn to family and will suffer as they normally do, together. If you have ever had a relationship with a Costa Rican woman you will learn that family comes before you do.

Being in the most at risk group, I have not ventured out much. There is no real shortages here yet. Food is readily available. The number of people on the street is exponentially reduced. I was on Avenida Central yesterday and I estimate that the number of people out was about 20% the norm. I spoke with Dr. Lee the pharmacist who advised he had accounted for one average day of receipts in the past 5 days. That was including at least two days before the total closure of Costa Rica to tourists. I only saw 5 or six people out that I thought might still be tourists here in country. Leaving is not a problem if you are already here. Most of the businesses were still open on Avenida Central but owners were talking about closing next week.

A real sign of how bad things are here will be the week of Semana Santa when families normally go on vacation here. If the beaches are empty it will indicate that things are exceptionally bad for the middle class here. It will devastate the industries that count on this week like stores do Black Friday sales. Whether things open back up after April 12th will depend a lot on how the disease progresses throughout the rest of the world. It took three months in China for new cases to start declining. If the states follows the same pattern then expect the panic to continue until after mid-May. I suspect a complete lockdown in the states is coming soon.


The decline in China is the only successful containment of this thing...they basically confined everyone as I understand it. And that works. If people don't see people the virus can't go anywhere and it dies.

But Italy just surpassed China in numbers of deaths (and perhaps in people that have it) Spain is not far behind. And most of Europe. And other parts of the world where people are not being quarantined.

I am in quarantine at the moment. I came back on a flight last night from South America (where there has been little known infection so far) and now have to quarantine for 2 weeks. I think it is the only way this thing can be slowed down. If not slowed down then the health care system gets overwhelmed with people needing respirators, etc. (And that doesn't take much...only a few dozen cases in a major city). So next it is triage. Who gets on the respirator, who doesn't. And true, it is only a small percentage of the population that gets the virus and gets this sick. But the difference between 1% and 2% is a lot of people. Anyway.

Yes, it has a huge economic impact. So is it worth it? If you don't think it is then I suggest getting it over with. Let everyone mix and mingle...let the whole place get it...let those that die die, and the population would then be more or less immune.

I don't agree. I say we fight it to the end. Slow it, delay it, save as many people as we can, keep the infection as low as possible until hopefully we can get a vaccine...maybe in a year or two. Either way is painful.

But it is real. It is very real. I have family members that may not make it. I have a relative stuck in Europe.

Be sure of this though...what is happening in Italy and Spain is only a few days or weeks away from what will happen in the US, and anywhere else that does not isolate the population from each other. It's too late to stop it anywhere, so slowing it is the only option.

And politicking and conspiracies and all of that are not going to help one single person on earth.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:27 pm 
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And following on pops comments. Generally the advice is not to send money to chicas...etc. etc. and all for good reasons. Getting them dependent on you is generally not good for them or for you.

But I say we are in an exceptional situation. I don't think it would hurt for each of us to help a little bit. My favorite girl for example...I know she is the favorite of others too. So an option...only an option.. is for all of us to send a little to some or all of the girls who we know. With no commitment to support her, her K*ds, her family, etc. for the rest of eternity...but with a clear statement that..

...I'm sending you a little bit to help, and I'm sending some to others too...please don't send me requests for money, but here is some. If you bombard me with requests then for sure there will be no more...but here it is.

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I agree that sending some money no matter how small would help these gals in some way. The problem is how to you get it to them and could it be done anonymously?

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I really agree with Pops and Boynton.
And it's difficult to remain anonymous if you are sending money from out of the country. Better to do it in person when you can.

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Jawanker wrote:
I really agree with Pops and Boynton.
And it's difficult to remain anonymous if you are sending money from out of the country. Better to do it in person when you can.


I certainly would prefer to do it in person. But I don't think that will be an option for quite a while. This isn't going away real soon.

Was just reading some analysis of the progression in China...which is now contained. 80 percent of the spread was by people who did not know they had it. Testing only found about 10% of the actual cases - at least until they were able to test almost everyone (with or without symptoms). And people of all ages died...more fatal with older people, but lots of young apparently healthy people too. So being young and healthy is no guarantee. The only real stand out was Ch*ldren, for whom it was rarely fatal.

And whether it affects your travel plans or not...the US is handling it very badly so far. Very low testing so likely many times (easily could be 10 times) actual infection compared to known infections. So if say 70 thousand have it and are spreading it...it will get into the millions very quickly, with who knows how many fatal. Not to be alarmist...but I honestly don't know where it would be better to ride it out. Best luck everyone...wish you all well. And I hope I've made the best choice for myself and my family. Time will tell.


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Jawanker wrote:
I really agree with Pops and Boynton.
And it's difficult to remain anonymous if you are sending money from out of the country. Better to do it in person when you can.


I certainly would prefer to do it in person. But I don't think that will be an option for quite a while. This isn't going away real soon.

Was just reading some analysis of the progression in China...which is now contained. 80 percent of the spread was by people who did not know they had it. Testing only found about 10% of the actual cases - at least until they were able to test almost everyone (with or without symptoms). And people of all ages died...more fatal with older people, but lots of young apparently healthy people too. So being young and healthy is no guarantee. The only real stand out was Ch*ldren, for whom it was rarely fatal.

And whether it affects your travel plans or not...the US is handling it very badly so far. Very low testing so likely many times (easily could be 10 times) actual infection compared to known infections. So if say 70 thousand have it and are spreading it...it will get into the millions very quickly, with who knows how many fatal. Not to be alarmist...but I honestly don't know where it would be better to ride it out. Best luck everyone...wish you all well. And I hope I've made the best choice for myself and my family. Time will tell.


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Now, do I believe this virus was manufactured by the Chinese? Yes! Viruses don't mutate for no reason. There has to be a catalyst. That catalyst is the Chinese Government.

Antibiotics have nothing to do with viruses. Just let the virus run its course; then, allow natural cleansing to rid this planet of the filth. In the end, the world will be a better place. Dark, sick, and twisted frame of mind. I know! Spare the commentation. Thank you.


You're an obvious candidate.


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But the "Dear Leader" told us it was a Democrat hoax :?


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OH DEAR :!: :!: :!:

DID HE REALLY SAY THAT :?: :?: :?: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Hank Daman wrote:
Boynton wrote:
For all the complaining I sometimes do about the socialist Tico government, this is a noble sentiment.

https://ticotimes.net/2020/03/11/costa- ... know-today

"The Medical Manager of the Social Security System (Caja), Mario Ruiz Cubillo, told CRHoy that the public health system will offer free treatment to those presenting with COVID-19 symptoms. This applies if the patient is uninsured, has an irregular immigration record or is a foreign tourist.

The free care is being extended to those with a fever over 38 degrees Celsius (100.4 Fahrenheit), respiratory difficulties, dry cough and some epidemiological link to a coronavirus case.

“We have decided that all people that present symptoms … will be attended to,” Ruiz said. “Afterward, we’ll see how we manage — if we’ll offer them national insurance, or how else we’d proceed — but the important thing is they will be attended to.”


Keep politics off the board--one of the things that has nearlly ruined it. And yes, labeling the country as socialist is a political statement.


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I read a few years back Hank. That you said you were done with this board. I believe you said that two other previous times also so why do you keep coming back?


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