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You raise some good points, but no way is that bill ever revenue neutral (or saving money).
You can't possibly believe that?

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

Has to be true the Congressional Budget Office scores as such. They are neither Republican nor Democrats and suppositely have no reason to lie?

I guess I have to trust somebody

NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

Anyone who lives in South Florida is aware that Jackson Memorial Hospital, a public hospital, is considered one of the finest teaching & research hospitals in the United States. Miami Dade county also has one of the largest uninsured health populations in the country. This results in an overwhelming amount of people seeking treatment for even the most minor ailments in the Jackson and its two regional hospitals ER's.

The predictable result of this is off course the hospital is going broke. They are discussing a plan to shut the two regional hospitals and hopefully sell them off, lay off 4500 employees and adopt other cost saving measures. They are not sure that even taking those steps will they avoid bankruptcy. Certainly there are other hospitals in the nation facing the same crisis because they are the last chance health provider for the uninsured.

The health care bill currently being debated in the house will provide health insurance to over 30 million people who currently are uninsured. This will off course help relieve the financial burden on public hospitals. That certainly is something to think about when considering the merits of this health care debate.

Is the legislation being considered the answer? I don't know but I do know the system is broken and something has to be done to fix it.

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Pura Vida
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four
essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

So it saves money, but they can't say when or how much.
This is your government, you can trust us.
You don't see a flaw in that?

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

Finally, we have some enlightened commentary on this vital subject from someone that knows what they're talking about. Thank you, Brother NYG.
I will accept criticism about the USPS from somebody will do other than throw out a cheap jibe. The same with Social Security--it was designed only as a pension supplement then (a) had the survivors and disability portions added to it and (b) has been systematically looted for short-term political goals. Absent those 2 elements, it would be in fine shape.

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

So it is perfect, except for the guys running it?
That is why we disagree.
Your side just wants to spend money with no regard for anything.

This is why we don't want government doing more to 'take care of us'.


Do you really want a list of USPS problems?

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

NYG, my friend.

I don't know what doctors you have been talking to but I know a number of them and they are 90% against government take over. And, this bill is only the start of that slippery slope. Once you let government take over control, they will inflate the legislation with a bureaucratic nightmare of new rules, costs and restrictions. Once this takes hold in FOUR YEARS you will see many of our best physicians leaving the practice.

I've had several small business but thank God I do not have one now. Can you imagine paying the costs that this bill will require by law for four years before you or any of your employees will be covered. That's like telling me to buy a car or house for four years but I cannot own, use or get title to for four years. DOES ANYONE OUT THERE LIKE THAT DEAL ???? If you do, then you were never a business owner. How in hell can business be straddled with a government mandated new huge cost for four years and not get anything for it. While currently paying for medical coverage. Dammit...read the bill. That is if you can find it through the maze in over 2,700 pages of hidden items to take away your present freedoms.

Are many of you so naive as to think these politicians are intent on making sure you have a good medical coverage? NO......It is a power grab to take over 1/6th of the economy and make you wards of the state. They could give a shit about your welfare as long as they can control you through dictating what services you can get and eliminating the the insurance companies.

Other than the I.R.S. what program can fine you and/or send you to jail for not complying.....HELLO, this new health plan. That's right, if you refuse to pay for the plan then they will have the power to phuck you royally. Anyone out there care to argue with this fact?

I'm just amazed at intelligent posters on here that do not see the eventual demise of this country....socially and economically, if this bill is passed. NTM, on oncoming legislation of Cap & Trade and other horrendous stripping of our rights.

Just wait when our triple A rating with the world is decreased due to this administration's spending. Talk about real problems.....you have no idea what awaits you, family, daughter/sons, and grand Babi*s.....generations to come.

As for my screwed up son, CTY......Phuck you.

A mad vet and patriot,
Circus

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Damn if I'm going to repeat this shit again. I need a drink.
I've been drinking vodka every day for 45 years and I have certainly never found it to be habit forming.

I repeat, I will entertain any well-reasoned criticism of the USPS point-by-point and explain/refute on that basis.
And no, it's not the folks running Social Security that are the problem, it's their political lords-and-masters.

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

That is the point we are trying to make:
The government should not be allowed to run health care because they will screw it up lke they did Social Security.
Your blinders are on.
I will do the USPS thing as new thread someday soon.
There are a lot of fish in that barrel.

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

The main thing wrong with Social Security is that there's a cap on income that can be taxed. If that were taken off, there would be no revenue problems. It is currently $106,800 above which no income is taxed; further, that base was under $10K until 1973. This cap was put into place to placate the rich and powerful--a politically palatable sop to them. Show me the fairness and equitablity in this please. On an historical note, we got the idea of Social Security from that raving Socialist Chancellor Otto von Bismarck of Prussia--he also put in place universal health care for his citizens.

Source of data: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/cbb.html

Mightily looking forward to a Thread discussing the USPS--I'm marshalling facts as we speak.

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

Come on guys!! enough already!!!

the two side here are NEVER GOING TO AGREE any more than the idiots who are suppose to be running congress! My way or no way and to hell with doing anything constructive!!! No matter what either side suggested the other side would be opposed to it! It has nothing to do with what is good for the people nor what they need; it is one side against the other with both sides spitting out one false statement after another with everyone on each side believing what their side says and disbelieving everything the other side says without seeing any facts.

It is getting old here just as it is in Washington! You will not settle anything here and you will not change each other's minds!! SO LETS GET BACK TO DISCUSSING SOMETHING IMPORTANT LIKE WHETHER "SHE" WILL DO BBBJ CIM OR NOT Not that the issue of health care is not important, BUT WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ON THIS SITE TO CHANGE NOR SWAY THE IDIOTS IN WASHINGTON NOR EACH OTHER

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Old and retired but still bang, and bang, and bang!!!

Jazzbo: Don't you see the issue here?
More money is always the solution from you.
America is bleeding from the more money demands.

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

calm down bb

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass ahealth care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, withfunding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by asurgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What the hell could possibly go wrong?

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im way deep into nothing special
riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of hollywood

I tell you what, I've enacted my own healthcare plan. I lost all my excess weight, I work out like crazy and I eat very healthy. I'm doing everything I can to stay in tip top physical condition. If Americans would just take some responsibility for their own health, our health care woes would vanish. But we let Americans determine their own health, so they ravage their own bodies, mainly through obesity, then the cry and bitch because they can't get the healthcare they need.

Why do they need it? For many, they need it because they have ravaged their own bodies. Make them take responsibility for staying healthy and health care costs would drop as the demand for it would drop dramatically!

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Man I'm living life like a great white shark swimming with minnows! It's all about panocha, great scotch, fine cigars, loud-ass rock music and speed, speed, speed - plus spending as much time as possible in paradise on earth, Costa Rica!

Minor correction to Brother T&V's Post--It's always about the money for everybody. Where the differences lie is who gets it (or the benefit of it). Does anybody think those rapacious rascals on Wall Street truly earn their money? There was a conscious effort by some Administrations to defund the Government without having any mechanisms in place to do the same job better or less expensively--pure mean-spiritedness. The Federal Government is a money-raising and transfer mechanism pure and simple--again who gets the benefit is the prime maybe only question, and the greatest good for the greatest number should be it's operating principle. Others obviously disagree.

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED