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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:17 am 
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You can add a lot here if you wanted I am sure but right now you seem to have a chip on your shoulder like I will leave if just one guy wants me to.


Naw, it's just that somone said something in the thread about paying for an exclusive site where guys (non-members) wouldn't be able to post.. and I actually respect that. Genuinely, I feel that this is a valuable place for many men, and I wouldn't feel good about compromising this value for them, or changing any direction that is unpopular.

I've been 'a little different' all my life, and am accustomed to being 'shown the door'- maybe I kinda like it. Besides, I consider myself real smart and well-informed, and there's no reason for me to hang out where I'm not wanted or where my info. isn't appreciated.

Also, this is probably the most I've communicated with men, all year. I work with women, socialize only with women and generally only communicate with women. I set my life up this way. Notice I don't post much.. my only real interest here deals with optimizing relationships with women. Even in a P4P sense. So, I might be looking for a way out of this sausage party... hmmm, yeah, that's probably it.

But I will write "The BFE- how and why" because I truly believe in this concept. And think that although many don't realize it yet, this will Significantly improve their experiences. But before they can see what's right, they must see what they've been doing wrong. So, I've bluntly pointed that out.

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I agree that you can make a GFE experience if the right situation is present. But if the basic physical attraction and chemistry isn't reciprocated from the beginning, no matter how hard you try, you're probably not going to get the GFE experience.

I've had sessions where I eventually realized the girl was not into me or I wasn't her type, whatever. I think we all have experienced that. If you think not, you must either be a really really sexy bitch or you are fooling yourself. It can still be good, but you're getting the type of GFE you are looking for in that situation.


Totally agreed.

In all honesty, I am a pretty handsome guy. Perhaps a little younger than some on the board, and in decent shape. More importantly, I'm quick to lay important groundwork for a GFE, and won't session with a chica that seems incapable, or not into me.

First thing I do- Find a woman I'm RRRReally attracted to. This is very important. And not just physically attracted. Find a woman you'd like to kiss passionately. If you'd enjoy kissing her and looking into her eyes, knowing more about her.. chances are she feels the same way.

With all due respect- Sorry MikeyB, but I think "Next" is not the right approach. They are not all the same. For me, although there may be 100's of chicas, there are actually very few viable options. Finding them, and creating the comfortable space to trancsend business and enter the realm of romance and exploration are the first steps.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:01 am 
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But just imagine if the goal of every CRT monger experience was to transcend basic P4P sex.


Basic P4P sex is all that I desire during my trips to CR. It fulfills a specific need for me. There are those among us for their own personal reasons are not looking for more. I respect your right to want more and if circumstances were different perhaps I would want more but until then I just want to keep it business.

YMMV how has you dating experience in the US been compared to CR.


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YMMV or should we call you MR. wonderful (come on YMMV you seem to be able to take a joke? :) )

You seem to be sure & full of yourself which can be very good but one thing I see that you do not understand yet?
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I date lots of non-pros. But I don't think the line of distinction between the 'good girls' and 'bad girls' is that clear. And I find that if I treat them identically, I get identical results.


You have not been out is my guess with a Tico families daughter that has real money. You will not get the same results & it would be a new experience for you to get in with this crowd it is not easy but then again YMMV. :wink: It is one thing too be successful with poor Latinas try the rich ones & see what happens. You conqueror this arena & my humble little hat is off for you. If you are as good as you think you are raise the stakes of your own game in can be very rewarding.

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But just imagine if the goal of every CRT monger experience was to transcend basic P4P sex.


Basic P4P sex is all that I desire during my trips to CR. It fulfills a specific need for me. There are those among us for their own personal reasons are not looking for more. I respect your right to want more and if circumstances were different perhaps I would want more but until then I just want to keep it business.

YMMV how has you dating experience in the US been compared to CR.


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My experience of dating in CR has been SOOOOOO much better than in the US. I got my fair amount of tail in the US, but nothing like in CR.

I find that gringas have more of pre-set idea of a what form a relationship with them should take. Ticas on the other hand are Great at letting a man take the lead, and follow accordingly. There is a great openess, which I really enjoy.


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YMMV or should we call you MR. wonderful (come on YMMV you seem to be able to take a joke? :) )


Sure I can take a joke. Funny ones are my favorite.

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You seem to be sure & full of yourself which can be very good but one thing I see that you do not understand yet?
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I date lots of non-pros. But I don't think the line of distinction between the 'good girls' and 'bad girls' is that clear. And I find that if I treat them identically, I get identical results.


You have not been out is my guess with a Tico families daughter that has real money. You will not get the same results & it would be a new experience for you to get in with this crowd it is not easy but then again YMMV. :wink: It is one thing too be successful with poor Latinas try the rich ones & see what happens. You conqueror this arena & my humble little hat is off for you. If your as good as you think you are raise the stakes of your own game in can be very rewarding.
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Yeah.. I like me.

I'm not sure what "real money" is in Costa Rica... but one girl I've been dating has a good family, lives in a nice home with her parents, 2 cars in the garage, UCR education, etc. so, by CR standards, I think this is "real money". I don't know... it's the most money I've encountered in a CR family.

Time to take off your hat, and retract those statements you made earlier in the thread.

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Ok not quite yet as it is easy for you to say but it is all just so much talk for now. :lol: I guess you are telling us you had the same results with this Tica from a class family as the HDR debs?? If so what a true joke & very truly humorous indeed. I am interested in hearing the details of your style as most of it seems to fit what I know of many successful Gringos that hunt down there. It is an easy task compared too here in the USA as you mentioned. #1 you are dealing with a culture full of submissive women for the most part. Ones that are truly attractive with wealth in the 7 figure area or greater are not hunting Gringos you have to find them & find a way to have them see you as truly different to get their attention especially if there is some age gap. I do know Gringos personally that have succeeded here. You can find beauty all over CR & most are poor financially & rich culturally but when you find a Chica with real money you know money is not the big reason she likes you obvious. It is the best of all worlds coming together from what I have seen as even many of the wealthy good looking Latinas are still very humble & submissive to men by nature and generally do not cause the problems that Gringas do or for that matter the poorer Latinas because these poor ones lack the class of better educated ones & have very low self esteem & are too childd like for their own good. As always YMMV with anyone there are always exceptions.

The poorer Latinas are literally caught in a vice between poverty & Macho Ticos that cause them so much grief & face it this is what we exploit pure & simple and we think we are so wonderful?? :shock: . Many Ticas are somewhat lonely & exploit us for sex also but mainly for money or a certain combination.

In my book you are no big stud of any measure to be highly successful with women in a submissive culture it goes with the territory just that simple especially a poor submissive culture. :wink: :shock: Now if you land a wealthy one that can openly choose what she wants that is a model type that is another chapter.

Actually YMMV I like your posts more than the back slappers but they all have there place here one would think? Also as far as Much Gusto's NEXT saying goes this fits the time constraint traveler much better then the guy that lives in CR as he has time on his side.

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Ok not quite yet as it is easy for you to say but it is all just so much talk for now. :lol:


It'll always be just talk. We won't be meeting, and I don't think I could prove any of this to you, even I wanted to. But you should know that this is not my intent. I'm not out to prove anything to you. My sincere intent is to promote what I consider a better strategy. If you don't believe me, or what I say, that's fine. I think it's your loss. Perhaps just try it, and that'll be your gain... you can prove it to yourself.

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I guess you are telling us you had the same results with this Tica from a class family as the HDR debs??


That's exactly what I'm saying. Anytime I've shown a woman my best, most romantic, appreciative and cherishing side I've gotten great results.

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If so what a true joke & very truly humorous indeed.


This is the second time we've disagreed about humor. I don't think you're funny. And I think you inappropriately ascribe humor to serious issues. So be it. When you tell jokes do people laugh? Do you laugh at funerals?

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I am interested in hearing the details of your style


Perhaps, or maybe you're interested in poking holes, or looking for something to copy. As I've said, I'll write a post called BFE- how and why. However, that depends on whether or not I receive a retraction from a PM asking me not to post anymore. I think the PM was written in spite, because I angered someone. If so, he'll retract, and if not buh-bye, tomorrow.

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#1 you are dealing with a culture full of submissive women for the most part.


Yup. God bless those hot submissive Ticas!

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Ones that are truly attractive with wealth in the 7 figure area or greater are not hunting Gringos you have to find them & find a way to have them see you as truly different to get their attention especially if there is some age gap.


Not convinced that level of wealth exists in CR national families... haven't seen it. But, I find the Ticas Very accepting of the age gap. If you want to be "truly different" as you wrote, refer to the first post in this thread.

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I do know Gringos personally that have succeeded here. You can find beauty all over CR & most is poor financially & rich culturally but when you find a Chica with real money you know money is not the big reason she likes you obvious. It is the best of all worlds coming together from what I have seen as even many of the wealthy good looking Latinas are still very humble & submissive to men by nature.


For me the level of wealth isn't important, the level of education is.

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The poorer Latinas are literally caught in a vice between poverty & Macho Ticos that cause them so much grief & face it this is what we exploit pure & simple and we think we are so wonderful?? :shock: .


Totally agreed. This is why acting in the ways I've suggested can have such a major impact. But doesn't necessarily have to be exploited.. can simply provide opportunity.

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Many Ticas are somewhat lonely & exploit us for sex also but mainly for money or a certain combination.


I disagree. I think Americans are exploited for $ only. What makes you think hot 20-something Ticas want sex from over-weight middle-aged middle-class American men? And you call ME Mr Wonderful...?

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In my book you are no big stud of any measure to be highly successful with women in a submissive culture it goes with the territory just that simple especially a poor submissive culture.


If only my purpose were to impress you....

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Now if you land a wealthy one that can openly choose what she wants that is a model type that is another chapter.


I've been phucking model-quality women in CR and the US for years. If you saw the women I date, you'd probably change your tone. Anyhow, I don't need to be your hero. Sorry you can't fathom this level of success.

Perhaps one night, I'll go out with some guy from the board and let him tell all of you what I do, what happens, etc. Was NOT the purpose of this thread, but perhaps I need to establish credibility to be taken seriously.

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YMMV,

This has been fun. :P
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If only my purpose were to impress you....
It seems to me you impress yourself more than anyone else which seems to work for you so I am happy for you. I think we can see we simply do not impress each other & I am happy you have what you want in CR I have the same & we should leave it at that. I don't think you could come up with anything more stunning than what many others have been with or for that matter what I have been with. It is more important that you keep your privacy above all else & your happiness. Trying too show us what you are capable of means little too me but do as you will. You are right though we will never meet but then again we may have already met & not even know it & that is the best way I believe. Do give us some pointers here as I can see you are obvouisly a very bright capable guy & I always like to learn new tricks & hopefully I can be wonderful someday soon? :lol:

This is rather humorous too me.
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If you saw the women I date, you'd probably change your tone.
How do you date something more beautiful than beautiful you don’t it is all in the eye of the beholder & thank God we all have different eyes but let me guess you have better eyes also. :P As long as we all find what works for us & makes us happy without hurting others isn't this the best we can do?

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But I will write "The BFE- how and why" because I truly believe in this concept. And think that although many don't realize it yet, this will Significantly improve their experiences. But before they can see what's right, they must see what they've been doing wrong. So, I've bluntly pointed that out.
I hope you will write this as it should be a good read & bet you have some interesting points that may help many as everyone has slightly different experiences & it is all additive to this game of life. Thanks for taking the time & sharing.

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This is what this whole thread is about. What does it matter how or why you do what you do. The important thing is weather or not it makes YOU happy. I don't give a rats butt how YMMV treats women or how VB does or ID or El Ciego or Zippy.
Some of us live here, some of us travel here, some of us are "M" men, some of us like the P4P scene, some of us have GFE's. We are different guys with different needs and desires.
All that matters to me is the results I (there's that word again) get. If you get what makes YOU happy, does it matter if you get it by being romantic, handsome, funny, rich or stupid or a local or a visitor? Hell no! What matters is what makes YOU happy. Treat the women like you want to be treated and it'll come back to you in spades. Like we used to say in the '60s, Whatever floats YOUR boat.
Lose the "I" in your posts and you'll all be happier with yourselves.
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Well said amigo :D

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Wow what a thread. YMMV look forward to your BFE post as this is the game some of us like to play and obviously you have some info and experience we could use.

I do not understand your threat to quit posting if you get just one PM asking you to do so, this seems to be some self-righteous power play on your part- you'll take your toys and go home if one person disses you, please grow up, with 6500 members obviously somebody will do it just because you keep throwing it out there as a challenge.

If your intentions are to make a difference in how some mongers behave, to better our experiences, and to improve how some chicas are treated then this is your chance- you have the floor and our attention so post away and teach us something.
Keep in mind- not all members care about the GFE and most LAL guys don't wish to take the time or effort to play the game our way, in fact they don't even understand why we bother. In the past guys like us (GFE seekers) have been flamed, ridiculed and even threatened for carrying on about romancing the chicas to achieve something deeper than the 1 hour physical relationship.
And also (as has already been pointed out) your advantages- you're young, decent looking, speak espanol and live there so it's just not possible for everyone to do what you do.
Nonetheless the overall topic of behaving like a gentlemen and reaping the rewards is one that was discussed much years ago and should be brought up more often.

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All that matters to me is the results I (there's that word again) get. If you get what makes YOU happy, does it matter if you get it by being romantic, handsome, funny, rich or stupid or a local or a visitor? Hell no! What matters is what makes YOU happy. Treat the women like you want to be treated and it'll come back to you in spades. Like we used to say in the '60s, Whatever floats YOUR boat.
Lose the "I" in your posts and you'll all be happier with yourselves.
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Keep in mind- not all members care about the GFE and most LAL guys don't wish to take the time or effort to play the game our way, in fact they don't even understand why we bother. In the past guys like us (GFE seekers) have been flamed, ridiculed and even threatened for carrying on about romancing the chicas to achieve something deeper than the 1 hour physical relationship.


It truly disturbs me to hear how you've been treated. This is the first I hear of this. A young man goes out into the world looking for love and gets flamed for it. Be it he was looking in the wrong place. Look on the bright side of its in fewer years that you care to think about you will be my age and content with the end game and not so concerned with the pursuant.

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With som many posts in so little time, you must be an expert.



Whats that suppose to mean exactly? If your going to make random comments, especially ones trying to insult the rest of the board, at least back them up.

You said all the chicas hate Americans. Why? You seem to understand them the best of all of us, so why not elaborate as to why they hate US so much.

How do you know that ANY of us have ever done anything to a chica that was uncalled for?


That comments leaves me to believe your another member on that board. With that being said, I dont call out on fellow CRT members. I dont blame them for messing up the system, I dont tell them the puta's hate them.

You posted random BS about something you probably dont understand near the full extent.

So you think that its only gringo's that make for bad experiences? What about the girls that drug us? What about the ones who get back in the room and just sorta sit around, and expect a tip?

If anything the putas are more to blame for their bad experiences


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