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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:20 am 
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I suggest you guys re-read this thread and then tell me the girls are the only ones with "issues".

Note to Handy: You should have been reflecting on this dilemma before December!


I really do not understand all these long discussions about getting married.

If you are traveling to the CR for women, sex, and variety then there is no chance you will ever be faithful. Why would you want to be?

There are a few men that are built for marriage. They do not feel the thrill of chasing new women. They do not always wonder what "THAT ONE WOULD BE LIKE". I am not and never will be like that. My guess is if you get on an airplane and travel 3 hours for women none of you are either.

There is only one reason to be married if you are "The Breed of Men who don’t fit in" and that is to have Ch*ldren. I was married for 14 years. Most of those years I will describe as "Quiet desperation". I have 2 great sons. They live with me more than they do my ex because I spend all my free time with them.

What is m point? Well I really doubt that going somewhere a few times a year and yes even 12 to 14 trips is a few times a year that you truly know someone well enough to get married.

Yes it is true that in third world countries women equate money to security, which equals love. I love this myself but once you give a girl your lifestyle she will change. She will want that next level on the life pyramid. What is the top life satisfaction?

My advice to anyone struggling with the dilemma of wanting to be in love is figure out if you are built for marriage. If not figure out what it is you are capable of and want. If it is K*ds figure out how to get them with a person who comes closest to accepting who you are. Understand that a marriage for you will probably end badly. Remember if it is ending it is ending badly otherwise it would not end! I would think for most doing this in your native country makes the most sense. Remember your Ch*ldren being a US citizen and raised in the US is like wining the life lottery.

Now having said all this there are always exceptions. Things can always work out.

But do you think you are really the exception?

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One thing always comes to mind when I read the many posts about guys falling in love (or marrying) the working chicas here in Costa Rica. Is there some strange allure about these chicas that doesn't exist with the hookers in the States. How come no one talks admiringly about the "Gringa Hookers"? It wasn't very long ago that I had a close relationship with a Gringa hooker.She wanted to live with me,BUT somehow I knew I didn't want to be awoken in the middle of the night when she came home from a "date". Why are Latina hookers any different than the home bred variety? Does the expression "A puta is a puta,is a puta" mean anything? To think that a Latina that has chosen this way of life,for whatever reason, is any different than the Gringa is foolish. Please don't anyone argue that the Latinas are more disadvantaged from the beginning.
As clients of the working girls we only get to see them during our "fantasy" time with them so it's easy to delude ourselves into believing whatever tricks our minds play on us. To really understand the lives that they lead,we would have to walk in their shoes for an extended period of time to try to understand the damage that is done by their way of life. It is difficult for them to trust a man.After all,not all their customers are as nice as you are. They are,by nature of the occupation,forced to be somewhat deceitful. ( You give me a propina...you give me for taxi....you buy me a drink) The term hooker is synonomous with "hustler". I wonder if they EVER get rid of that type of behavior.
I won't say that successfully marrying an ex-hooker is impossible,but these are some of my thoughts as to why it is so difficult.


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Two things were said to me recently by a CRT bro after being crushed by an MP chica (after all these years I should know better):

"You didn't meet her in church".

"Phuck with your dick and not your heart".

Truly wise and sage statements but oh so hard sometimes to practice :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:14 pm 
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Solamente you wrote that "Women give sex to get love, men give love to get sex. It just seems silly to act like it's all LOVE when in fact it is a sort of business deal.
problem is when the deal falls through- she gives sex, he takes and then bails out... or he gives love, and she takes, but doesnt give the sex, or gives it to someone else...
Either way, marrying a girl, whether she has a past or not, is an enormous risk, with bad odds, and huge downside... yet without at least TRYING to make something meaningful out of it, disillusioment comes to many...."

I could not agree with you more. IMHO, WE men are just as much of a whore as women can be. After all, aren't we the ones who go around searching for "variety"; even if we are married and vowed to love, cherish and be faithfull? I had a really nice "angel" who did love and care for me for myself and I screwed that relationship as well. So admit it, we are still whores in our own way...

And it brings to mind why when friends come to visit they invariably ask "why is there a tampoon on top of the television set?" To which I reply that "it reminds of the cunt that took my DVD Player!"

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...And it brings to mind why when friends come to visit they invariably ask "why is there a tampoon on top of the television set?" To which I reply that "it reminds of the cunt that took my DVD Player!"

Bravo !!!!!!!! :wink:

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This thread is fascinating, and it sadly shows how clueless all of us are when it comes to the motives, goals, desires and tactics of women.

Duane2864 wrote: "
These girls will usually use and abuse you, because they think they want a normal relationship however they haven't the self worth to reward themselves
with a normal relationship. Usually, no matter what you do for one of these girls, she'll do something to mess up the good situation that you've offered
her. She doesn't even know why she messes up good situation, however she'll do it everytime! Bottom line is that most of these girls do not think they
are worth much so when they have it "all" they end up screwing it "all" up. They see themselves as low lifes (deep in their minds) so if they have it "all"
this doesn't go well with the "low life" image in their brain so they'll do everything they can to get back to "low life." They can't mentally handle the
"high life" that you think they want and that they think they want."

Duane, I truly admire your thoughts on this matter, but I don't believe that all putas (or women in general) suffer from low self-image or are historical victims of abuse.

however, it's always dangerous (and unwelcome) to ask a hooker _why_ she's a hooker. A working lady early in my hobbying career warned me never to ask that question. Fool that I am, I continued to ask, usually as part of postcoital pillow talk. From what I've been told by the chicas and other hobbyists, plus what I've read in psychology texts on the subject, there are a number of reasons the girls do what they do. Read this list and see how many of these apply to "civilian" girls you know closer to home:

1. Greed - part of capitalist culture since the dawn of time, this is the primary reason she's a hooker. All other reasons pale by comparison, and even girls who have other motives hold this one as well.

2. Addiction - The Life lends itself to drug and alcohol abuse and addiction. These girls don't work in churches. "The nightlife, ain't no good life..." but it's their life.

3. Lecherousness - Some hookers are actually addicted to the sex. It may be due to early sexual abuse, but this isn't always the case. Some women love the power that the sex act gives them, some are hooked by the actual sensations. This is perhaps the hardest one to quantify, as these women may have myriad reasons that they're perpetually horny.

4. Laziness. This is easy money, compared with housecleaning, factory work or picking coffee.

5. Low Self Image - Again, this is most often the result of abuse. She only feels her worth when she's "worshipped" by a client. This touches on what Duane2864 wrote. I believe that many hookers in fact have inflated self-images and believe they're more worthy than they actually are, but whether or not this is a defense mechanism for them is a matter for debate.

6. Bipolar Disorder - The manic phase of bipolar disorder is often characterized by hypersexuality ("lecherousness"). Earning a lot of money during the manic swing of the pendulum will allow them to be sleepy and reclusive when the pendulum swings the other way toward depression.

7. Slavery - We don't like to think about this very often, but it's probable that a number of women working out of the HDR/BM are there because of a sort of "indentured servitude." They are paying some criminal pimp/handler to pay off a debt, usually from travel expenses, forged papers, etc. Some are drug slaves.

8. Habit and Family Tradition - They do it because Mom and Auntie did it, and Grandma before them. One girl I met last year at ZB swore that she started hooking at 13 with her Mom's help, guidance and support, and in fact turned tricks in a room in their house reserved for that purpose.

Now, considering all these reasons and others which I haven't mentioned, would you really want to carry that much baggage into a relationship? Add to that the normal feminine love of drama (all women) and their false preconceptions of you (wealth, guarantee of survival, naivete', the belief that you're a sucker because you're male, etc.)...you
've got as Zippy so eloquently put it, "a dance of two venemous snakes." Not cool.

OTOH, unless you hire a private detective, how will you know your supposedly "non-pro" chica isn't part of the Life when you're not with her? I'm certain that many women engage in prostitution, although they'd never would call it that. Consider the woman who "marries well" in terms of the wealth of her spouse. The woman who screws you on Friday night, then pleads for a "loan" to fix her car on Saturday morning. The woman who gives love freely through the marriage vow, then who rapes you for half your property through divorce? This is a tough one to answer; I suspect that we as mongers have headed in this direction, simply because we intrinsically understand that we are the providers and they are the lovers and mothers, regardless of what modern feminism and changing roles for women would suggest.

I too have a loving wife who is loyal and wonderful in many ways. She teaches blind Ch*ldren, earns a decent living, is patient and supportive with me. Sadly, she is also almost asexual because of health problems and a far too Catholic upbringing. I don't want to lose her by hobbying, and so I have been very honest with her about my hobbying. She hates it, but she values the marriage and our friendship, even though I constantly test both by my actions. I am also forthcoming about my own hypersexuality with my girlfriends. :twisted: :wink:
end of sermon. :twisted:

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as Zippy so eloquently put it, "a dance of two venemous snakes." Not cool.

I have long called it the marriage of two lost souls. Again, not cool. Fantastic post ElC. I'm working on a post of my own. Maybe, just maybe this subject can be put to rest. But, a new set of members will join..go through the same emotions, ask the same questions, wonder the same things and so goes the vicious cycle.

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This thread is fascinating, and it sadly shows how clueless all of us are when it comes to the motives, goals, desires and tactics of women.
This maybe so true but what is worse are the women do not even know their own motives, goals, desires and tactics!! :twisted: They do know one thing for sure & that is we are going to pay for what ever it is! :wink: :evil:

Most women are purely creatures of mood period & you need to learn to catch them on a good biorythm & manipulate changing their mood to lock on you to achieve max performance out of them & we know this is done by doing & saying the right thing at the right time. One younger friend of mine that lives in CR & is better looking asked me how I get them to do this or that & he can not. I told him he needs to set a better mood & earn their trust.

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Dapanz,
Do you REALLY think this subject/discussion/debate will EVER end?

As long as there are girls "working" and some guy falling in love with them this "moral dilemma/dichotomy" will continue.

How many of us can truly say we've never been "tempted".


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...I told him he needs to set a better mood & earn their trust.

Tell him to offer her $2,000 for TLN. I'm sure that'll help set a better mood !!!! :twisted: LOL

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Tell him to offer her $2,000 for TLN. I'm sure that'll help set a better mood !!!!


Uh-oh now you let the cat out of the bag!! :P :shock: Now we know who has been planting these high price ideas in these little Chica's minds? :? :P

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...Now we know who has been planting these high price ideas in these little Chica's minds?

That's right! I'm gonna out-price all of you ph*ckers, so I get all the chica's to myself !!! :P

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Damnit Mikey-B no stud has a chance against a FIST FULL OF $$$$! :D :(

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Zippy wrote:
Damnit Mikey-B no stud has a chance against a FIST FULL OF $$$$! :D :(

Atta boy. Now you're starting to get it!
Everyone always told me "No Cien". But they never mentioned "NO DOS MIL" :lol:

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Dapanz,
Do you REALLY think this subject/discussion/debate will EVER end?

NO!

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But, a new set of members will join..go through the same emotions, ask the same questions, wonder the same things and so goes the vicious cycle.

Just like there is a new crop of chicas everytime I return, such there will be a new crop love lorn middle aged men to replace those who know better.

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