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Klockman,

You are correct that the ladies on Colombian Cupid are going to take much more interest in you if they know you actually have plans to visit soon. I reactivated my profile on CC this week and have started fishing for Calenas for my December trip. I love playing the non pro scene in Colombia. Where else can you hit a casa or two during the day, take a sweet non pro out at night and if you don't get lucky still have several other options for getting laid.

IMHO first dates with Colombiana non pros are good. SECOND DATES are
GREAT ! I would highly advise trying to stay for at least one week. Also if you are lining chicas up on CC I would not stay at the MM.

If you have non pros lined up, trust me that you do not want to take them to the MM. It has been getting all kinds of bad press by the local Medellin news lately.


Here is another option for accomadations in a great area. Actually only about a 6-7 minute walk from the MM. If interested you can PM me for contacts. I have 2 bilingual Colombiano taxistas that can show you everything you need to know.

http://zona-viva.tripod.com/index.html



Also I would not recommend one of Frank's apartments or any apartment in Mayorista if I was trying to score non pros.

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Thanks for the link I shall check it out, based on the cheaper pro's in Colombia I should have extra coinage for backup housing.

I was always under the impression that Frank introduced guys to non-pro's, girls that like to hang and party a bit with Gringos? I know he also dabs in P4P but again I was under the impression that photos he sends are friends that he'll introduce you to if you stay at "My Place" and/or hire him to be a guide. Is that not the case?

Reason I picked MM, is I wanted to avoid the HDR effect where you're swarmed like locusts and the chances of sleeping at any point are nill because someones always banging the headboard. So sayeth Greg, he lives there and sleeps there and if he has to wake up to tell someone to shut it, there's problems. So I was assured of some good sleep as well as English speaking guests.

I'm not sure my 10 words of Spanish and fist-full of Benjamin's are going to work as well in Colombia as they do at the HDR.

But I do have almost 2 months to sort this out, any thoughts on the VIP apts? They're pricey at $120 per but I think would make a great impression for entertaining, no?

FWiW, I'm booking room #5 at MM so my cost is $80 per, so even with a second room bringing the cost to $200, would the experiences offset any brief financial pain?

I have to be quite clear that dating the locals I did in CR put me over budget and I had very limited success.

Is the Columbian culture different in that I can trust the women more that if they say they're interested, they are?

I had plans to meet 3 women in CR, 2 were no shows and the 3rd was nice but seemed to be much more interested in me prior to my arrival despite asking me to call her for a 2nd date.

Would a maiden trip to Colombia be better if I stick to P4P?

Thoughts?

Bro, How are you doing ColombianCupid without Spanish ?
You have to realize that if you have no Spanish that a trip to Medellin is going to require you stay somewhere like the MM where someone can hold your hand and take care of you. You have really no chance with non pros in Colombia if you do not speak at least basic Espanol.

Understand that Colombia is very different than Costa Rica being that you will not encounter very much English at all.

If you are determined to do Medellin now I would recommend that you do a straight mongering trip. Real non pros will know something is amiss if you do not have basic Spanish.

You would probably have done better to stick with CR for a while untill you had honed your Spanish and experience level. With Colombia you will be going from the kiddie pool (CR) to the deeper end very, very quickly.



As far as Frank introducing you to non pros if you stay in his apartments......MAYBE.......but I really doubt that they are non pros.

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Colombian Cupid without Spanish is quite easy as I translate online, most if not all exchanges on Colombian Cupid are ya ya, you look good, here's my MSN. From there I make it clear I'm just learning Spanish and that gets me some slack.

When I was deciding between CR and MDE for my first mongering trip, the fact that I knew the HDR and ZB would speak English tipped the scales.

I did stumble through a dinner date with a lady who couldn't speak English, I simply cut down on what I wanted to say and ensure I had translations in advance. It slows the conversation but I thought it was earning me brownie points (which I may be mistaken about).

What did open my eyes in regards to locals was that how few of them despite wanting to meet a gringo, didn't have Visas or passports which means they can't come to me, I have to go to them.

CR's experience did show me what I need to do to achieve basic conversational Spanish and I'm taking steps to raise that level fast.

Will the ladies in Colombia have limited to no patience with me if I'm too slow speaking in Spanish? maybe. But with the MM bringing their own stock of paisas and groups hitting the MP, I will be getting laid.

In the few mins since I changed my CC profile to say I'll be in town in November I've had 5 messages. I think I need to pick one or two of the best and try and forge an online chemistry in hopes of an in person dinner.

btw, in case I haven't expressed my thanks, I'm grateful for the info you've provided and even if I do nothing but P4P in MDE, I also have bookends in CR so I'll be well looked after.

But I'm still on the fence regarding locals. And out of respect I'll make sure anyone that takes the bait knows the very beginner level understanding I have of their language

btw, we've fully hijacked this thread so ya ya I concur...

HDR is tough for a regular guy!

Klockman,

Continuing the hi-jack...

I'll vouch for the advice my friend, RM3, has given you. MM is a great place for a MDE-newbie to start, but it is very difficult to mix and match p4p and non-pros if you plan to stay there. Like you, I joined the cupid sites before my first trip in January. My MSN messenger list was jam packed with Colombianas from all over the country. BTW, I also met two nice ticas through one of the cupid sites as well.

When I finally arrived in Colombia, I had a short list of women located in Bogota, Bucaramanga and Medellin. I visited all of the women, and all of the them were sincere. All the hard work of screening dozens of Colombianas before my arrival paid off...I was not disappointed except for one who was a bit of a control freak. Knowing more than rudimentary Spanish is the key to connecting with these women.

Sometimes even fluent Spanish speakers have difficulty understanding Colombian Spanish. Between 18 trips to CR and 4 to Colombia, my Spanish has improved over the past 4 years...but I have a long way to go. I highly recommend a CD Spanish course I use: "Michel Thomas- Beginning Spanish." It is an innovative way of learning Spanish without all the rules and memorization. It can be found on Amazon.com and will set you back about $50. The program has helped me a lot. Of course, if you choose to do all your mongering in MM, all this homework will not be necessary. However, if you choose to venture into the city, or partake in p4p at the casas, you will need to learn more Spanish (or have a knowledgeable wingman accompany you).

I know several veteran mongers who came to Medellin seeking p4p. After several trips to MDE, they gradually did less p4p, and started dating more regular type chicas. Once you get your bearings in MDE, and can converse reasonably in Spanish, it is not too difficult to meet women throughout the city. I found most paisitas are very patient and appreciative of a gringo who wishes to speak their language and learn about their culture. If you have a desire to graduate from MM, there are many nice, reasonably priced hotels in the city which will pass muster with a regular chica. An area I like very much is "La Setenta" in Laureles where there are many comfortable small hotels, discos, bars, cafes and other venues to meet paisitas.

For your first trip, and especailly if you don't know Spanish, stick to p4p at MM or its affiliate El Castillo. I'm sure you will find a wingman there who will be willing to show you the p4p venues in Medellin. I chose a different route before my first trip...fortunately, it worked out well for me.

Peace,

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Pura Vida...enjoying life to the fullest...

It's all great advice, and I'll take it all to heart. Unless I get some offers from Colombian Cupid that blow my mind, I'm likely to stick to P4P at MM with the occasional excursion to the clubs to whet my appetite.

each time I've gone to CR I've been able to adjust my expectations and adapt, I suspect I'll do the same in Colombia.

All I can do is my best, right?

I suspect that despite all the work I'll put in to the various Spanish courses I currently have, I'll come up short, but I won't embarrass myself and I'll always be gracious and respectful of the locals and I think that'll make the difference.

At the end of the day, if each mongering trip is a little better than the one before it, I should have a great time.

But if I spend 4 hours in my room at MM with a tasty dish being educated, I'm Ok with that too!

Thanks again guys

I have heard about paisas that while they're passionate and loyal, the non-pro's won't be OK with me meeting other paisas as well. So if I go the amateur route, I will be swinging for the fences!

Maybe PM's or the proper section?

dapanz1

Wonder why the guys with good info don't post any more? Just look at this thread...

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Yup, this thread was completely hijacked, but it happens...

So to get it back on track, you two guys have anything further to contribute on the trials and tribulations on the HDR and experiences an average Joe can expect?

I'm not one of those 'two guys' but I am chiming in anyway, because I have time to kill till halftime show is over. I've been in the DR more than usual lately, and I don't see this lack of talent, personally. Sure there are plenty of unattractive girls there, but there are also plenty of attractive ones too. Sadly, for the 'Average Joe,' Friday night is the worst night, in terms of ratio, and that's probably when Joe will blow into town. Poor Joe will probably sit (or wander around) trying to decide which girl he finds physically most attractive, or if he's sufficiently horny, he'll approach the first one he likes. What I have learned is that the easiest part of the selection process is finding somebody physically appealing. Some guys seem to be unhappy if the place isn't filled with 10s, but you don't have to boink them all, so this always seems silly to me.

But the real trick is to find a good attitude. I think the ability to read attitude is partly innate, partly learned. I have met guys that will never be able to do it, even if they spend years in the Del Rey. Others figure it out quite quickly. I think it's like musical or artistic ability. Some guys can carry a tune, some have perfect pitch, others are tone deaf. But to newcomers, I give this advice: Work on refining your attitude check process. Learn to distinguish shyness from aloofness. Try to separate the phony smiles from the sincere ones. Take the time to learn at least the basic interview questions. And for goodness sakes, the easiest way to find a winner is to ask one of the vets. On any given night there are good performers out there. Maybe I don't know one that meets your requirements, but it doesn't hurt to ask me, or any of the other vets.

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Couldn't agree more




Also agree, as I'm far from a veteran of the HDR scene, you can get overwhelmed and then once analysis paralysis kicks in, you start to rush and will inevitably overpay for something you probably didn't want.

By the end of my 4 day visit, my TDL was very long and these were women I wouldn't have noticed the first night.

So I second the idea that the vets can be very valuable, and for me I'll be leaning on the vets at SL heavily next trip as well.

Apologies to Cujo. It's probably my fault that this thread turned into a Colombia discussion.

I was really trying to bring up two points. One was that places like the HDR are far from unique in the mongering world and the other was that some of the skills or game we develop at the HDR or similar places can translate to the civilian world.

I've been to places in Asia that are far bigger, but the same rules apply. Figuring out how to find the winners and get the best performance is not much different than in Costa Rica. Expect in Asia there's almost no chance you're going to know the local language. On the other hand the chicas in Asia make much more of an effort to learn English.

That's why I've found Latin America to be so good - I can communicate better with the less-experienced chicas.

The first time I was in the HDR, it was a Friday night. I wasn't really overwhelmed. I was wondering why the BM bar was so small. It took me a while to figure out that the casino and restaurant areas also counted as part of the action. Of course speaking with the vets is the best way to get the lay of the land. CRT guys whose handles I don't remember were a great help to me, especially with advice about the best times to hit the various MPs.

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