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That's great Witling, congrats and good luck to you

I've met a number of these good and not overly complicated women in Peru; they ask for nothing more than the basics and in return offer you everything they could possibly give you - and when they want you they seem to be very direct about what they want. And they want you to be faithful. These are sincere women with a true heart of gold. I can count four good, sweet civ women in particular I met during my 6 months in Peru who I remain friends with, but somehow they all think I am just this amazing wonderful man and would commit to me in an instant if I agreed to give myself to them. Of the four all I find quite desirable and enjoyed their company when we were together. None of these women were true stunners, but one I do find very attractive, but she doesn't quite have the personality of another that I am less physically attracted to.

I do think that with some luck and more time in latinaland I could meet a "regular" woman I would be deeply attracted to on many levels to an overall degree I didn't find, that would want me as much as I want her, and could imagine dreaming of making her my wife. Perhaps my hunt would more likely succeed in Colombia based on photos I have seen, but women from the northern cities of Trujillo and Chiclayo have lovely figures and I believe can rival the women of Medellin or Cali, Colombia in the looks department besides their other great qualities, including being less complicated than middle class Lima girls and of course far less complicated than the americanized US latinas.

But, alas...



Yea, that's the kicker. Besides the #1 on my civ girl list to date, truth is I find myself daydreaming just as much or more about a meeting up on my return with a particular stripper favorita from Club69. I know "it is what it is" with these girls, but the opportunity to pass up spending time with a sweet lovely bubble-butt who genuinely likes me, makes good, fun conversation just like a regular date, and treats me (and I am sure her other best client friends) with real affection - giving wildly and genuinely passionate and uninhibited mambo much more confidently with her movements in the cama than any civs I've had in my life. And then she goes away nicely and I can do whatever I want next. I just don't know how to pass that up. Nor do I know how to pass up the possibilities of more amazing experiences with new favoritas I may find, while tolerating the inevitable mild but still pleasureable disappointments in the P4P hunt.

Now in my experience these kind of program girls are a pretty small minority, even in LAm, but when I do find them, it delights me that they seem so genuine, and happy and unconflicted about what they do - this subgroup seem to love being lovely, feminine and sexual, love being desired by men and turning them on, and love having wild sex and making money from doing something they enjoy. But it's not all about money with them - you get the feeling from these ones that if they couldn't make money from sex they would still enjoy playing around with a variety of men and being the sexual women they are.

As long as I have the means to travel to their whereabouts, and spend money for them while there, I seriously wonder how, whatever is going on with my "real" love and dating life there, I can ever resist the temptation of regularly partaking with these "bad" girls between my other more upstanding social or business activities. Maybe this could change if I met the right civ woman? Knowing how I am, I have my doubts. But I can't bemoan any of it, it is all really, really good; I only can bemoan that I am not there in the territory where I want to be right now.

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viva...don't want no blue eyes
la loma...I want brown eyes...rica...I'm in a state
Pixies, No.13 Baby

LK - I don't believe anyone knows when/if they're going to get hitched and whether it will work if/when they do. It's called risk and commitment. It's all well and good to think one day you might be "blindsided" by your match; it happened twice in my life and came out of nowhere both times. The question is what are you going to do in the meantime?

After returning from a 7-month stay in Latin America, I saw my city, the States, and the planet differently. I especially felt for the majority of guys here who regard gringa's love and sex behavior as "normal." Of course, aside from other mongers, there is no support from guys on this because they see travel as decadent in the first place. Expecting them to empathize about how dismal it can be here compared with more civilized places in the third world, is a stretch. Anyway, most of my friends are bogged down in difficult marriages, K*ds, and bills, so it's hardly fair to expect any understanding from them.

Don't worry about deciding whether to get hitched or to whom. You'll know it's right when/if it is. I know it can be difficult to both "date" and monger, especially when the girlfriend always wants to be with you. But you do the best you can to strike a balance, even if that means you have to let some good prospects go. Tica asked in the quote you posted why we're not all hitched. I think the reason is because we can be. As I mentioned earlier, I think it's more likely one would rush into something here, with no knowledge of other cultures and their opportunities. If you find the right blend here, you might be hesitant to let it go. But in Latina land, there are simply many more options; like fish in a lake.

I'd love to check out Peru.

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

Another idea that goes along with this somewhat and is interesting to me is, what if they opened P4P venues in the US like MPs, termas, or FKKs? They would have to be more expensive but how much more? I don't know. What I wonder though is what kind of girls would work there and why. Would we see seriously hot little college type girls working these places or typical American trash girls? In Europe and S America you get some damn hotties. I wonder what it would be like in the US? Needless to say, the women's groups would have an absolute cow over that though and it probably would never happen. And really, why would a girl work at an American termas when there are strip clubs that pay huge money for no sex at all? I think they should outlaw strip clubs then.

Hey Ticafan...my thinking is whatever kind of venues might possibly open up here or not one day, it is not going to change the overall quality of the women whatever the price one is willing to pay. The cultural baggage and burdens of our over-complicated Rosie O'Donnell'd and Oprah'd society our women carry, and in the case of the non-latins, the complete lack of latin passion in the blood, means memorable experiences and encounters with truly passionate and uninhibited women are going to continue to be a much much rarer occurrence here in the states than in any of the better latin american destinations - even for guys with enough game to regularly lay some of whatever actually is available to them.

I also think stronger cultural prohibitions against prostitution here will always make P4P prospects even worse than civilian dating prospects, and keep and will continue to keep many good looking and horny young US women of the reasonably normal and more or less undamaged variety from considering plying the trade here. This reality keeps guys like me daydreaming of foreign exotic lands and babes rather than dreaming of the day a full-service MP or Terma opens up down the street.

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viva...don't want no blue eyes
la loma...I want brown eyes...rica...I'm in a state
Pixies, No.13 Baby

I occasionally see a dancer here I've known for over a year. I met her on Craig's List and she and her girlfriend-lover are bi. If I saw either in Rio I wouldn't even turn my head, given the slight risk of injury. But she's petite, has a nice bod and is willing to try anything. She's also made enough to buy a million-dollar home in the Keys with her companion. I remember her saying BJ's at the club she works at are $$ and F.S. $$$$. I also remember laughing. At Dr. Love's in Cali, you can have one of those upper crust babes with class LK was talking about for 55,000 pesos/hr., or $25. Plus she'll give you her number and rock your world the rest of the night.

I'm afraid the way pro girls view sex is but a microcosm of how virtually all gringas see it. As Marlowe stated in the article I posted,



and



Latinas in their homeland seem perfectly content to give a man what he wants, desires, likes, and craves. And I have found this "giving" attitude among non's as well. I don't think there will ever be a reversal here in women's keeping their golden uteruses close to the vest. And I definitely never expect to see a L'uomo-type place here, where girls dance, DFK, grab your johnson on a bar stool, lead you into a room, strip, give you a bbbj, ask you to phuck their ass, and finish you off with a CIM, C*ck in one hand, your balls in another, and looking up at you with nothing but good intentions.

I was on South Beach Saturday night. I was not cruisin' but observing. You would not believe the quantity of young, cut, good-looking guys, most with long faces, and by contrast the number of smokin' babes having non-stop giggles with their amigas. I was walking behind three girls, all sexy, but one was over the top. I saw her nod and suddenly a car stopped abruptly and out bounced a black dude, maybe 24. He started saying how beautiful she was, etc, and I kept walking. I knew he knew nothing of what guys on this board know, including about Latin America. The point is she nodded, apparently granting permission to talk with her, and this guy became a "jack-in-the-box."

It was pretty pathetic.

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

I have an american born, mexican close friend who espouses, " Latin women (even US born)will never respect an American man for the long run because the American man will not knock her around when she needs it. Thence she does not respect him & percieves him as weak."
I think he may be right to a certian degree, even gringas chase after the
fu*kheads & ignore the nice guys. All the while screaming "All the good men are Gay or taken".......
In my 55 years I have never met a woman who would not lie or cheat to further her agenda, reguardless of the ethinic origin.
Life becomes so much more enjoyable once these truths are digested & accepted.
Ill be in town by the weekend auditioning mommies & partying till I puke.
Stratone

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I wonder how much of the rationing of sex by some girls based on a guy's performance in other areas is instinctive, learned, or even cultivated in our culture? Recently a girl was holding out on me and offered sex as a birthday present as if it were something for special occasions. I brought up the idea that she was using sex as a reward but she either was lying when she disagreed or just can't see it. Her side was that she was making it something special for me. Maybe I just didn't get it.

My first wife used her sexuality and looks as tool to rep and sale the products for her families business. She was very successful early on but tired quickly of endless travel, trades shows etc. In our marriage she used her sexuality like a loaded gun in the hands of a Ch*ld. Now she is 40, overweight, out of shape and has 2 spoiled K*ds that she has no control over. The family fortune has been squandered and she cant understand why she cant manipulate men any longer. She told me a joke the otherday that is a reflection of her mentality" what is a womens favorite sexual position"? I dont know, "its doggystyle, the man sits up and begs, and the woman rolls over and plays dead" She thinks I go to central and south america to dive and she it right, muff dive that is!

It is amazing how women can operate on both sides of sexual desire; able to be completely indifferent one moment, and lusting animals the next. The nexus between the two is the puzzling part. Men are cursed in a way. Sperm fills their vesicles every two or three days, causing a physical sensation, the consequence of which is anything that moves is then sexy, including goats. Women have no such urgency, which I suppose nature provided so they wouldn't make "snap" decisions. Even so, there're an awful lot of unwanted Babi*s being born every day. Imagine if they had the "hair trigger" response that men have.

But the down side is they can wait your ass out, act surprised at your overtures, tell you that you have misconceptions, are delusional about your expectations with them, and act like you've got perverse tendencies. Or they can giggle with their girlfriends about how "over-the-top" sexual guys are. Of course, Latinas are far less likely to play games. Their evolution bcoming "phuck machines" has played to their advantage in different ways.

But figure a way to get that weapon between a woman's legs and she's putty in your hands...

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

I've always held the idea that there are many women treated like hell by men also. I ran across this little clippy on youtube. Here's a guy that obviously has his head up his rear about what a relationship means. I mean, we are talking about relationships, not just having women as tools for our selfish sexual gratification, right?

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HVr8qbRfsE

One thing I learned early in life like most of us I believe is the only thing consistant with women are their inconsistencies . This is why I feel men are "CRAZY" to kiss women's asses here like they do. Better to ignore them letting them know they are not your main focus while being nice enough.

Some guys I work with are like out of control little roosters strutting all around the Gringas & getting "nothing" at all for it. They sort of embarrass me but I realize their vesicles are full & their minds are pulled into this dance. I guess they think kissing ass hard enough will somehow get them a little all the while I have to laugh inside knowing what we know. Latinas know they are second fiddle so they generally jump at the chance of a decent guy coming along. Amazing how being 2nd fiddle makes them so much more logical & predictable.

It kind of shows me that giving a less stable creature (gringa) power & control over things & you are sure to have a mess along with your backed up pipes . A man can be much more productive & stable with a load off his mind than a load pulling at his mind. I still love Gringas but I get to "do the LOVE" more with the Latina with far fewer expectaions so the choice is really pretty simple.

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Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

As to what is alluded to above...I think while women are more complicated emotionally...I dont think they are any less sexual than men in the norm. Shit, they can have multiple orgasms much easier than we can. Sure...most of gringa society has lost touch with their femininity and maybe even their sexuality. It baffles us men to have all these sexy images of Paris Hilton, Britney spears and such dancing around half nude singing "You cant touch this". It baffles us to be in a strip club playing big money to watch them lapdance us while looking at their own reflection in the mirror. And we never do adjust quite right to their monthly cycles.

ON the flip side of this...they never quite adjust to many of our adnormalities as well. We in general do not spend as much time as they do caring for our bodies, body odors or fashion consciousness. We also tend to be too aggressive and insensitive when we get our "urges"...we are ready NOW and we expect them to be as well. Most women dont work that way...but are used to putting out that way...with little regard for their own pleasure.

I do believe a few guys here and there, maybe Hugh Hefner being a good example, learn the balance in all these things. They learn what women want...and without groveling they find a way to please them. They maintain their masculinity and leadership in the relationship without having to be 'Macho" all the time. This is one reason I think many Latinas are attracted to gringos...we tend to be less macho. BUT...they also like to take advantage of that if they roll over us. The successful "hunter" also knows how a woman wants to be touched and talked to. Obviously, talk is very important to women, and my observation has been women are much easier if you know how to talk to them...and LISTEN. Many guys I observe show little interest in what women are thinking, or find it hard having a sense of humor with them. I personally believe being able to make women laugh is the most important aphrodisiac with them.

So yes...many women havent got a clue...any more than we have about them. But it all can be learned if we are willing to do what it takes to be successful in the "hunt"...

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All that a man achieves and all that he fails to achieve is the direct result of his own thoughts...

Tman,

You're lucky. Even when I was living in South America for just over a half-year, I forgot about gringas. There were plenty of dates with regular women, an abundance of the semi'est of semi's, pro's who didn't act it by American standards, and of course a segment of pro's I didn't dabble with much. There was the 21 y.o. who worked a few blocks from my apartment at a grocery store full time who'd call sometimes on her way home; the girl who took the bus 1.5 hours to see me; the other girl who did a two-hour roundtrip on the metro; many girls from previous trips and always 2 or 3 non's in the mix at any given moment; not to mention new girls, club girls, Help girls, termas girls, on and on...

It's easy to forget how different it is here when you're there. Here you have to employ several techniques and utilize all available resources to occasionally score; there it's not even considered "scoring;" it's life with opportunitiy.

On my upcoming trip I decided to have a little party with a few girls the night I arrive in Cali. One is a spinner I've known for a while, who also came my first night back last trip. I asked her to bring an amiga flaca and she said ok. What will make it interesting is having a third girl join us who didn't directly know I saw other girls there. We had a little "thing" about a year ago, but I thought, what the hell and emailed her. At first she didn't respond, and later said no. In the last two weeks, however, she's agreed to come, but not "be" with either of the other two girls. I told her not to stress. It will be 265,000 pesos for all 3 girls, or about $125. I know at least one will stay over and these girls won't be looking at any clock.

Rio will be different in that I have one non who is serious "mate" material. Another non is also possible, although the logistics may prevent it. But I'll still make time for other amigas, some clubs, etc.

The point is, everything is on the table in Latina land. But here it's very different. No matter your age, race, game, money, you basically have the same hoops to jump through here. As I mentioned earlier, I see young, good-looking guys on Lincoln Road, half-blasted to ease the pain. I've often had the urge to pull a couple of these guys aside and ask them WTF they're doing coming to Sobe if they want to party with hot women? Oh sure, there'll be the occasional party, club, or accidental encounter where things go just right, but it's not happening routinely for these guys. They get plastered, probably go back to their hotels and call a $300 agency, and then tell their friends back home how "happening" South Beach is. It's a microcosm of what goes on in every major city in the U.S. And the agency girl will be 59 minutes if they're lucky. It's easy to forget when you're not here.

It's easy to forget...

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

Yes it is different here. If a guy is good at closing the "deal" here he will even be better there. I even notice at parties etc. in the normal Latina settings we draw so much interest. This just makes it easier to get things started. What an edge this really gives a guy compared to the uphill struggle here. My experience is you can take a shot at most of them without anyone getting wiggy over anything. The worst case I have seen where I made some suggestive communication with a never would be P4P type Latina, her response would be with a smile or maybe some confusion "what". If it doesn't seem "right" to me I might say oh excuse me it is not really important & that is the end of it. A Gringa is a whole different animal since she may respond like a hissing cat broadcasting it all. This gives a guy a lot of room to play & take more chances in Latina Land.
I see this commonly also. So many people just quit & nurse a bottle when things are not what they want or are too hard for them to understand. What I would recommend to these guys is use that frustrated energy & apply it to making your economic situation better not worse. At least you are headed in the right direction I feel. Then give yourself a better chance by getting out of your "backyard". Just wondering around in a semi-comatose state here hoping to get lucky is just not going to cut it for any "real" fun. You are right Jazz the options are in all directions in Latina Land. This is what helps us feel more "ALIVE"!

Tman, I would say this is very true & all the more reason to have a Latina over a Gringa. The Latinas deal with our flaws much better I feel. Many Latinas will just say typical male where a Gringa gets an attorney ! YMMV

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Spunk glazed Chicas are the building blocks of the universe!

Just a quick update on my trip in a few days, starting with Cali; a spinner amiga I asked to bring a flaca friend told me today that she's bringing her 18 y.o. cousin. I told her to bring ID. If she's really 18, that's too much.

Can you imagine that happening in the States? I never anticipated she'd ask an 18 y.o. family member. Then again, she's only 20 herself, and a really sweet person. The wonder never ceases... Colombianas in Colombia bear no resemblance to the traveled Coloms in CR. And the transplanted Coloms in Miami bear no resemblance to the traveled Coloms in CR or the Colombianas in Colombia. And the average gringas in the States...well, they're behind everybody, including all the foreign transplants, Miami Latinas, CR Coloms, and have little in common with local Latinas. About the only group average gringas are possibly ahead of is the "Hot Bitches Americana" pack, but only by a hair...

I know I'm preaching to the choir...

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"Don't never trust a woman, till she's dead and deep....One day she'll say she loves you, next day she'll throw you on the street."

"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."