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Paco. GO DIRECTLY TO THAILAND. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT PAY ONE HUNDRED.

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AMEN, brother.

That says it all but it will not be believed by those bitten with the "she is different bug".

I just wish them the best of luck, who knows, maybe they did find the one in a million chica.

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OK, after patiently reading this thread, thought it was time for mi dos colones.

Believe me, I can attest to how rare a TRUE NOVIA is. I have several amigos who thought they could change the girls met in the gulch. I will not mention any names here (you know who you are)

Going on 2 years now with the same novia...I can attest that is does happen with the non-working chicas.

Now at the same time I have friends who have met normal non-working chicas outside of the gulch and to date have not had the best of luck with these type either.

Now admittingly, I have gotten extremely lucky. 30 yrs old (not too young) I would rate a 7-8. Very nice family girl with 1 daughter (5 anos)

Have made it clear as a widower and father of two grown boys and a recent grandfather that I am done with marriage and more Ch*ldren. Her response, me too, I have big responsibility to my daughter and do not want that jeopardized finacially. She is a very hard working self employed in the Cosmetics and Therapeutic massage business (legitimate) with her sister and is doing quite well.

Now again, I may be in the minority, as my 1st 3 trips I went through the normal newbie, how many girls in a trip thing, which got old very quickly. I enjoy my daytimes free to visit old friends and the local hangouts as well as talking with new friends and CRT'ers at ZB, SL and other local haunts. My evenings are usually spent with my novia, except on occasssions when I explain that I do want to hang with my guy friends for an evening and have had no resistance to this.

As far as support, She refuses money from me, I am generous to her and her family as far as gifts, etc. and always hide 3-400 in her purse or home before I leave (she is always mad at me for that)

Am I a little to nice, maybe....But I was raised that way, and seeing her working so hard to support her mother and daughter make me want to help even more.

veinte tres meses.....RFM's nada.

Her latest fantasy...play the lottery so I can move to CR and not have to work anymore.......lol

YES, I am a lucky guy

Finding a novia is difficult, but still can happen. Finding a novia that doesn't come with typical tica baggage is close to impossible.

Good luck guys.

And I agree, ES is a lucky one.

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Pacoloco:

this falls firmly into the category of opinion: PacoLoco I think you are experiencing what could be called a reverse seven-year itch. You have forgotten why you went to Costa Rica in the first place. What you need to do to rekindle that knowledge. Get Costa Rica off your mind do not make any reservations for planes or hotels. Go down to your neighborhood bar, grocery store, or what ever. Find a reasonably good-looking lady not less than 10 years younger than you. Buy her a drink, a cuppa coffee or lunch. Ask her out to dinner. Long story short do the dating thing. Let it run its course. Chances are you'll be back in Costa Rica wondering why you ever left in the first place. Your problem is your too young to have given up on love. Just an opinion just a suggestion.

It's always good to widen your horizons so try a new place personal opinion on that same thing different place.
Lee


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OK, I got to put my dos colones in here.

First off, do you have any idea what it is like to have a TRUE novia?

It is a complete pain in the ass. I have been dating one (non pro) for about 6 months and let me tell you, it is ALOT of work, and a lot of drama.

The best advice i can give you, is go to CR, nail as many chicas as you can, and enjoy life. If you think dating a gringa is difficult, just wait until you find your "novia". I kick myself in the ass everyday for what i did. BUT, these girls are like crack, and you WILL be hooked. Don't get me wrong, I love what i have, but my life would be much easier if i simply went to ZB in the afternoon and BM at night for my "novia por hora", or toda la noche if i liked her. YMMV

Pura Vida

Damn VB, I dug up and re-read some of Handy's old threads that started the whole M-men subculture. His tales of picking out curtains, paying for english classes, dancing around in his underwear trying to impress his novia in front of overnight guests and having those lame couples-only cookouts at his short-lived bachelor pad in Escazu may have cured me, I think I've been SCARED STRAIGHT!

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I am currently starting on my third novia relationship in the past year and would like to make a few comments.

1. There is no such thing as free pu.....! In each of my relationships, I never made cash payments for the act. But I certainly paid for rent, cell phones, shopping, school, etc. This said, I have always came out ahead in the $/pop ratio. So for me, a novia is a little cheaper .... but certainly not free.

2. I put value on the fact that I am with someone that hasn't been with 10 different guys the past week. And I have always tried to hook-up with a "9" novia - they are not always available in the gulch.

3. I really enjoy TLN and the "true" affection you get from a novia. I don't know how much "true" affection a 45-yr old man can get from a young latina, but it seems more real to me than what I have had from the many one-night-stands from the working girls. And for me, that is a big plus.

4. Do not. I repeat do not try to make a working girl a novia. Once a working girl always a working girl. Find a non-pro or at worst a semi-pro, they are plentiful and worth the extra effort. You find them through referrals.

In the final analysis, I think it really depends on what you want. If you want just the "act" with no strings a novio is not for you. But if you meet a special girl and have some chemistry, I have found a novia can be great.

You are a SUGARDADDY!



That is called a fantasy.



A non-pro is a pro, she's just working a different angle. NO such thing as a semi-pro.



I am not looking for a novio I heard they are worst than the chicas. All they want to do is hang out at HDR with CRT members drinking and phucking chicas all day and all night long and they always want you to pay for their drinks.



I've met many special chicas and for whatever reason there always seems to be some chemistry whenever I mentioned I pay 'em for poosie.

Costa Rica!! It can be a great!!
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Yes, damn right there is no such thing as free pu*sy. However, a fascinating aspect of my former noviohood was how when I balked at this constant expectation of ALWAYS paying for EVERYTHING when we were together, my "non-pro" ex-novia then accused me of only wanting to be with her for the free sex.

I guess her opinion of her own prowess in the sack was too inflated to realize how totally wrong she was. Anyone who knows me well enough (and my mongering exploits were no secret to her) should know I would much rather be banging four different chicks a day than having sex with the same one all the time, no matter the cost involved. Only my genuine affection for her at the time prevented me from doing so; NOT the fact that it was "free" pu*sy.

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After three failed "Novia" type relationships, I am trying hard to avoid finding a new one. I never overspent, in all cases I spent less than I would in my non-novia weeks. It was more the immature bullshit and lack of basis in trust that ruined all three situations.

I am not too jaded to think someone cant find a girl here, settle down and be happy. For most of us we are meeting lower class girls (socieconomic, not meant as a slur, relatively uneducated, much younger with a different language) I think their beauty and cleanliness makes us forget where they actually come from.


All of these things contribute to a high failure rate. I also assume most of us have failed marriages or long term relationships back home and certainly carry our own baggage.

If someone is looking for a LTR down here and they hae read the massive amounts of cautionary tales on this board, then they should be able to proceed with caution. Protect your assets, do not overspend and when it stops being fun and good for you Remember the most important word our fearless friend MG ever uttered "Next!"


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I am never going back

VB and Tman both make good points. Commitment and freedom do seem to conflict, and both have their rewards. The ugly and painful truth is we all reach an age and/or physical condition where girls aren't attracted to us, even if fat old bags are. My father used to say the mind never ages in the sense that we see the world basically the same way throughout life. That may be good for the sake of stability and continuity, but it's a major defect when it comes to young, sweet, innocent but naughty girls, who beg to swallow whatever you're offering. Being 89 and only attracted to 27 y.o.'s can be a problem.

Having said that, being young and good-looking doesn't make scoring a sure deal, especially where American kunts are involved. Unless you're a rock star or Bill Clinton, you're never going to attract the kind of pu*sy money can buy, either in quality or quantity. That's been true through the ages; it's nothing new.

Fear makes many middle-aged and older guys get hitched. And although older women have the same problem in theory, they seem to handle the aging process differently. Women get awfully heated up and can have tremendous orgasmic capability compared to men. But for whatever reasons, as women age, they don't seem as desperate for hot sex with someone who adores them, as men are. Maybe it's because they have more "support" from women friends, or whatever that bullshit is. The notion of a 57 y.o. woman paying a 22 y.o. guy for bfe sex is ridiculous, yet it's exactly our M.O.

It's a crap shoot. Get hitched and you may regret it. But stay single and you may die, if statistics about being single and longevity are to be believed. Then again, marry the wrong girl, and you may wish you were dead. I know this much; getting married makes no sense if you're going to be shelling out the same bread on hookers as you did before marriage. But love can be blind and nobody's perfect. My sister is fond of saying smugly, that marriage is great for about 7 years and anything more is icing on the cake.

Maybe the ideal should be to convince girls to live with you every 7 years without the legal and monetary hassles of marriage, then marry a girl 25 years younger when you start feeling creeks in your bones. That way you'll have plenty of "fresh" with feeling, committed poontang throughout your life, and still have somebody to bury your ass when you keel over.

I'm starting to feel creeks.

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"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

I hear your perspective Jazz...BUT...I think it can be very different depending on WHO you pick and WHO YOU are. Yes, successful dynamic couple togther more then 10-15 yrs in an anomoly...but there are SOME. In my view...those few tend to be very "solid citizens", young thinking, and mutually attractive self respecting persons. Most relationships in my view down success long term because of disparity between the parties. One part morphs while the other doesnt...one turns into a slob or loses resoect while the other doesnt. NOT growing together seems to be ther great divider in the dance.

The FEAR factor is what makes many panic into bad relational choices. Most women or men cannot handle being alone...so they take the first comfortable fit that seems right at that moment without much analysis or time testing of the match. I have seen this repeatedly in recent weeks and months.

To have what one really wants in a relationship takes much endurance and patience.And you cant force a slug into being a butterfly. People are who they are...and you are best to taste, observe and test for a long time before committing for the long time...UNLESS...someone perfect walks in and YOU KNOW. That happens once in a great while, but normally, we have to observe and know completely before we can truthfully commit.

ANd yes...those who will never be satisfied orhappy with one person should think twice before tieing cohersed into monogamy. Yet...if you find the right one, I think the P4P starts taking a real hit as to its importance in life...as many have ecpressed on this site recently.

the best balance that i am seeking is that of domestic tranquility with a certain amount of personal privcay and freedom. I am feeling as close to that balance as I have ever been. Story is till out of course...but I like to think it all possilbe.

This written on haitus from Panama in the beautiful country of Colombia...5 more days to go...and report to follow...

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Oh, Tman, I was just trying to be funny. I could use a little humor these days, even my own. I know what you're talking about. I was married 18 years and we were together 20. We parted peacefully and are still friends. No big drama; just grew apart.

Anything's possible, but one mate for life is questionable wisdom. Even if it's your goal, most 40-year plus couples look pretty bad; miserable, in fact. But I won't deny that going solo is not always a state of bliss, either.

I found I was happy every day in Rio for 5 months single. Maybe it's a poor sample, given I wasn't working and 5 months isn't 5 years. But if you have some gringo friends, some real friends who happen to be girls, a beach, hot sun, topped off with enough money and plenty of girls willing to sit around naked at your pad for next to nothing, then it's tolerable. Just kidding - it's great. Throw in a real novia non-programa girl, and it's even more interesting, if challenging. There's plenty of great music, too, which is up my ally. So if I could have remained, I would have (if it was without having to make a living there). If you have to be single, I can't imagine anything that could possibly rival it.

But I agree wth your basic premise that most of us would take a girl who's crazy about us, provided we, too, are crazy back.

It's just a question of what to do in the meantime....

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"...and if men didn't have this unquenchable desire to have sex with women, then they wouldn't have anything to do with women at all. I certainly wouldn't..."

Thanks Tman And Jazzman for your perspectives on life and lovelies. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. Many others here have much to add and I respect where they are coming from.

Novias? I can not say my successes in this area of my life qualifies me to give advice or provide expert analysis. So I will only say that whatever you seek can be found with patience, luck and perseverance. There are quality latinas in every country, I believe, if you are serious in your search.

I made the typical mistakes in my early trips to Costa Rica. Possibly I have learned from these mistakes and I can move forward. Some mistakes I am probably destined to repeat again. When you play with fire, ....

A little more than 15 months ago, I met a Tica over the internet and have spent a significant portion of each trip with her. She is 12 years younger, works fairly high in CR government, has no desire to live in the US, her daughter is grown and gainfully employed, and she recognizes that if I do not live there that it will take time to get to know each other.

I have not met her family to this point because she says her family only contacts her when they want something. Apparently they are a little close, but not your typical CR clan. There is a remarkable lack of drama with this woman. In fact she seems consumed to a large degree by her job.

She does not pry into the time when we are not together and is adventuresome when we are together. She seems just as happy to be rafting or in a good restaurant. I have no idea why we have hit it off to this point or if it will continue. As much as possible, I try to live in the moment.

Some qualities I have tried to keep in mind when meeting these women:
- best probabilities with no more than 12-14 year age difference
- educated and intelligent
- interesting job or at least motivated to work
- stable family or at least non-demanding
- happy in life

I consider myself very lucky to have the friends I have made in CR. Each day can bring a new opportunity. Best of luck to each of you in your journey.

sailor

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