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My thoughts also. I am sure there are exceptions to the general rules we see but why waste time & energy trying to test the waters that a puta might convert to a loyal wife type. It does not speak well about your own self esteem too me. We know we can do better & if one wants a deeper involvement than P4P it makes no sense to take these risks. Too me if you play with these risks of trying to convert one it is almost an admission that I have no faith in finding a non P4P type because I am such a mess they would not want me .

It is an education to do what Traylor Park does in getting to know Latinas & their families like he does. I really don't know what real purpose it serves in the end because there is not much one man can do about all the real problems one uncovers. When I see TP's reports it looks like it affected his trip & mood for the worse overall & kills some of the joy of it all. I do the same thing because I like to learn & see real life situations but wasn't it curiosity that killed the CAT?

I agree also we are formed early in life from our up bringing & we can not escape this for the most part. We will never be Tico or Them Gringos. Being a pro puta is similar to being a drug addict to me. Mongering is very close also. How many can hold up their hand here & swear they will never phuck a beautiful P4P gal again. Once senses are turned on it is hard to ever turn them off completely. When humans find a way to stimulate a pleasure center in the brain it usually makes a permanent impression that they can not seem to restrict. The putas pleasure is money. Most can not get enough & keep returning for more. Once they start the high life with designer clothes, purses,, drugs, etc. they are for ever ruined too me because they have shown their true colors of what values are important to them. They have become high maintenance or a gringa in a Latina country.
I agree most will screw up a good relationship. Probably from low self esteem or they just are plain stupid about many things & are low class in their thinking. Having some solid values instilled early in life goes a long way toward general stability. My guess is these P4P types have little of this growing up. With a lousy foundation everything is going to crumble over time.

When you go to Disney Land maybe it is better to just enjoy th rides instead of taking them apart & seeing why or how they work since you might break something.

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I agree with most of what BD says, the girls can be nice and accommodating, but they are after all service providers and I do not get emotional about the whole experience. Admittedly, we are there fulfilling our own fantasies and regardless of the reality of the situation, to look deeper into the issue defeats the purpose of the exercise.

Frankly, my past experience with regular Ticas has influenced how I feel about the DL Debs; I treat them nice and with respect and if they are good, I tip them, but I limit the amount of involvment I have with them for my own sanity.

I have known too many Ticos/ Ticas that rose from humble means to be a doctor (a female, BTW) numerous lawyers, business owners, ranchers and assorted other success story to give much credence to the proposition that one has no choice but to be a prostitute That is just rationalizing claptrap. .

I think a lot of the Debs know that we are a bit on the soft side emotionally and that we can be manipulated by appealling to our need to be seen in a particular light; that of a rich savior from the land of the big PX.

For example, I was in a local strip club last night and some gal was complaining that one of the other strippers had been stringing a guy along for 2 years and had perhaps gotten 10K out of him without so much as ever having sex or giving him a kiss, She was demanding he give her 300 dollars that night and his reponse was that he would try and get it.

I see a little of this attitude in the harder case DR girls. I think they would love to be in the same position and woe be it the poor slob that falls for the girl or becomes a crusader wanting to "save" the poor girl who has fallen into the life of prosititution.

Since joining this board, I have read numerous stories of guys entering into this type of "relationship" with working girls and I can't remember one that ended happily. The ammunition these girls use is to portaray themselves as a poor victim of circumstances waiting for one of us to swoop in and save them. Normally, these relationships end up in disaster, costing the guy as much money as he is willing to part with until he finally figures out he is being played.

I think that a lot of us feel guilty about what we are doing and have a tendency to engage in over justifiying navel gazing or otherwise rationalizing the entire experience.

Additionally, everyone wants to be loved, but unfortunately, that need too is often used to manipulate us.

Of course my standard disclaimer; That is just my opinion, I could be wrong. :wink[/quote]

All good points, gentlemen. That's what this forum is for. We can post different opinions and viewpoints and still remain friends.

We all know we are never going to solve this dilemma nor can we cure those little darlings of choosing to do whatever they want regardless of the concequences to them or the guys who love them.

I propose a group hug, a round of brews and BJs all around!

TimBones wrote:
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I think that a lot of us feel guilty about what we are doing and have a tendency to engage over justifiying or rationalizing the entire experience.
Additionally, everyone wants to be loved, but unfortunately, that need too is often used to manipulate us.

Of course my standard disclaimer; That is just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Wink
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TimBones, you're right on the mark. Read some of BrendanOwens' posts on this forum. It's all about the guilt for many of us, and about our natural desire to be loved, not just laid.

As I stated earlier, the problem with our trying to solve the chica's problems is that the solution is part of the problem. Sending money to a chica only perpetuates her money-seeking behavior, and in the end is no solution at all.

I would suggest that a better way to think and behave is to understand at the outset that we are helping to support these women and their offspring simply by paying them a fair and reasonable price for good service, being kind and courteous to them before, during and after the transaction, and by leaving the girls and their problems behind us until the next time we return to Costa Rica. There will always be another little mouth to feed, a medical emergency to address, another personal disaster. Our dollars will help each chica do what she most wants/needs to do with that money. Whether she buys formula and diapers, or crack and a stem, or an overpriced pair of shoes will in the end always be up to her.

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TP, just a humble suggestion, but perhaps you should get out of the gulch a little more, travel to Golfito, Puerto Jimenez, Carate, Tamarindo, San Miguel or a hundred other small towns in Costa Rica and meet real small town Costa Ricans or just go to regular Tica huants in San Jose and get to know regular folks a little more. Then see if you felt the same way about the Debs after you get to know regular hard working Ticas a little more.

I know that I met regular Ticos and Ticas at the same time I met the girls of the Key Largo about a hundred years ago and the difference is quite profound in many ways.

Timbones good advice & ideas all the way around. Really the gulch area mentally is like going to an inter city getto to a degree. It doesn’t look like it but so many of the players are bipolar types or carring other mental issues. Gulch gals get together with plans on how to use us & we get together on how to get the most out of them. A never ending cycle. Once you realize the true nature of the game you don't have to feel too guilty about it all. Just play the game thats all ! I do know Ticas that are raising 2 K*ds working 2 regular good paying tico type jobs & living in a good neighborhood with great values & never ask for favors or money. They do work their ass hard in a non sexual way. Their is no way they would ever do P4P. TP get to know this type of tica. Just hanging & getting to know DR Debs is really degrading too us after a while !

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IMO , as long as MONEY is one of the requirements, then the "nice regular woman" is nothing more than a puta in disguise. This is why I despise gringas. I would rather give my money & time to a puta that was atleast honest about being a puta.

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Hey you pay for it one way or another.
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Sometimes i wonder what happened to all the women who were willing to stick by their man, who did not have much, but stuck around as they struggled to build something together.

Interesting story... I drove a beater for many years and a lot of my friends and coworkers always commented on while i did not buy a new car. I told them that the car ran well and it didn't matter to me what type of car i drove they replied you are a young good looking guy who should be driving a nice car to meet girls.

well after a few years past i finally bought a BMW and the first thing i noticed was that the women smiled at me more often on the road. This was obvious the first time I stopped at the gas station to fill'er up. A good looking women walked out after paying a she kept smiling at me while i was waiting for my tank to fill up. I kept thinking is it me or the car, I am still the same person i was who was driving the beater car but now something changed in the way women looked at me. It's all about the money!!

The difference is the chicas need it to survive the gringas want MORE!!

They are never happy with what they have already.

When are they ever going to learn that money can't buy happiness!!

One big difference I've noticed between gringas and Latinas seems to be the need to find a guy that they're FRIENDS will approve of.
Will he pass THIER test?

Is he good looking enough?
Is he tall enough?
Does he drive the right car?
Does he make enough money? etc.

I'm sure there are Latinas who feel the same way but it sure seems to me that a nice guy with some manners who treats the girl with respect can go a long way.

He can be older, maybe losing his hair and could lose a few pounds but if he's not a total loser he should be able to find a suitable companion.

Of course as time goes by he'll have more "criteria" to adhere to such as speaking Spanish and "helping out" the family but that just goes with the territory.

I suppose if you have enough money to travel to Latin America and are not a woman beater you should do alright. At least that's what I'm banking on.

Wit

Maybe around the time we learn that looks and performance don't go hand in hand. Give the "gorditas feas" around the BM/KL a chance!

You guys are touching on the reality in general. Its part Darwinian theory, part Maslovs heirarchy of needs. Women are looking for security and protection FIRST. Then comes sex, romance and companionship. What you guys are discovering is that gringas want more than the typical Latina. Why? Because they are USED to having more. And believe me, testimonies are numerous on this board that the tastes and wants of Latinas change quickly if you take them to gringaland. So, in the end, its all relative...and historically correct. "Wherever you go, there you are". Women are looking for status in the man they live with or marry. You see this with the fat rich guy with a yacht full of younger babes in Ft Lauderdale or Miami...and you see it at a different level in the nicer restaurants or resorts around San Jose or Costa Rica. Its status for men to have the hottest youngest babe...and its status for women to have the fatest richest husband . Its a combination of social image and pressures, and self image issues. So...just play the game wherever you can, best you can. I can admire a guy like Traylor Park who drives a beater no matter what he can afford and looks for the lady who will love him for who he is. I have always wanted that too. But, I also realized that I have more fun and get laid more when I have a more "polished" image. The world goes around in circles, doesnt it?

Ah yes the infamous "friends test" actually just another shit test that the gringa inflicts on you to test whether you pass muster. They use their friends or clique as one big meter to guage your suitability, because the gringa is so unsure of here own judgment and so much a herd animal that she will inflict her friends upon you and see what happens. After you leave her side, she will inevitably ask their opinion and they will proceed to dissect every element of your encounter with them, paying particular attention to every misplaced burb or other gaffaw.

Winning them over is key to being accepted by the gringa. What a mega pain in the ass and another reason not to date grings or others that subscribe to this shit test. I have had it inflicted on me by an Irish gal, so apparently its a western thing. There are one of two ways to proceed should this happen to you 1) Tell her that you are dating her and not her friends and you only have desire to see her and stick to your guns, or 2) Have some canned material or gimmick to please the cadre; easy if you are a musician, but otherwise you are left to acting like a salesmen and story teller all night.

Anyway, another reason to book a flight to CR.

I can't resist this topic. Like Traylor, I am interested in getting to know the situations of the girls. I live here and have several girls I know reasonably well. They don't all have the same situation but there are some aspects that are very common.

* Most have bebes to support, and many are a major source of income for their families.

* Most are not well educated and know little of the world, and knew a lot LESS before they got pregnant the first time.

* Most of the fathers of their bebes don't help much, if at all.

* They would not consider abortion even if it weren't illegal.

IMHO, the reason there are so many sex workers in CR is a combination of factors. Sex work is legal, CR is close enough to the US for guys to come down often and even for weekends, and, most importantly (imho) there is a LOT of poverty in CR.

Some point out, rightly, that if one works hard enough and studies hard enough, and has the required amount of ability (whatever that is) that person can rise above humble beginings. True enough, as far as it goes. But does anybody believe that a world ENTIRELY FULL of Donald Trumps (or whomever you care to substitute) would result in a world full of multi millionaires, and nothing else? The point being that while individuals may rise above their environment through individual effort, somebody still has to collect garbage and clean toilets. If everyone had an MBA, it would only mean the people cleaning the streets would have MBAs. You can only be 'well paid' when somebody else is getting less. To rip off Garrison Keilor for a moment, ALL Ch*ldren can't be ABOVE average.

IMHO, once again, poverty here in CR is due in a GIANT degree to the high birth rate. If a woman has only herself to support, working as a waitress in a soda is enough to survive on, albeit humbly. Add 2 bebes and 2 sisters with 3 bebes each and the ante is upped. Some of the members of this board have not been outside the HDR. Some have ventured as far as Zona Blue or New Fantasy. What they don't see are the dozens and dozens of lower end places that are filled with girls who get 8 to 15 dollars a session and may average one session a night. The HDR girls are at the top of the food chain, so to speak, but the majority of sex workers are not making any 2000 dollars a week. Few are making much more than 100 a week. But, good news for mongers, the same girl they had 12 years ago now has 17 and 15 year old daughters who will soon join the workforce. I have one chica I know who has brought over both her twin (19 yo) sisters for me. Her idea, btw, not mine, though I was grateful.

The point is, the poverty is not going to go away and the 'workforce' is steadily increasing. This is as true of dentists as prostitutes. There was recently a warning by somebody in the education dept. that CR was turning out too many dentists and there would not be enough customers for them to earn a good living. High birthrate = growing labor supply = lower wages/more poverty. Yes, there are more potential consumers, but without jobs, they aren't good consumers.

Ok, enough. I don't see any solution. I just hypothesize that if the birth rate were to drop due to some magic reason, poverty would decrease as well here in CR. And prices of 'company' would go up (barring more labor imports from elsewhere). Thank all for tolerating my digressions, it's what I do best, after all.

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I agree and blame the Catholic church for the most part with it's insane and irresponsible stance on birth control, especially the use of condoms in this day and age. If they approved and recomended the use of condoms that might be seen as saying it's OK to have sex for pleasure and we could NEVER have that- so it's better to just let the majority of the poor Catholic populations suffer from extreme poverty & overpopulation instead with the never ending cycle of teenagers having Babi*s. Makes perfect sense.

You're right I was shocked the first time I went on the RBC tour and saw some of the low-end Tico places and what was available for under 15 bucks. A far cry from some of the BM chicas I know that now have their own cars, pay for school and sometimes clear $1500.00/week, hope they all realize how fortunate they are and save for the future.

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