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Gypsy wrote


Yes, thats true. Thanks for pointing that out as well.
I believe there are different circumstances that makes one steal. Some steal because they want, but then there are others that steal out of necessity. It doesn't by any means make in right but it the way of life for many trapped into poverty. And I am not saying that all of these girls are stealing out of necessity but some.

RN - thanks for stepping up to the plate and changing the title. I did cast a wide net in my comment so sorry.

Ding Dong - so if I write a sign in English that my camera is hidden on the dresser under the draped tee-shirt, this is okay or do I have to write in Espanol as well?

Okay guys, thanks for being so respectful and calm while we talked about this. It is a great conversation.

I've never video taped anyone in CR and so I'd just like to say that if you have, can I see it?

Cheers. BYE.

As I said Dwayne it is a matter of personal choice and morals.

You have yours as I have mine.





Reading yours I will stick with mine.

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Ruff,
I'm not sure how taking the ONE non-value laden term that you had in the title and replacing it with a perjorative one for American is any sort of improvement. Gringo is not a TYPE of American or some sort of SUBSET. It is just ANOTHER word for the SAME thing and one that is even more often used in a negative senseIf there really is nothing wrong with it, then why would you need to do it secretly? And whatever your rationale, why would you risk getting caught and blacklisted by all the chicas in the Gulch? And if you do get caught you further reduce the level of trust not just between you and the chica but between all the chicas in that area and your monger brothers. Call that the "practical" argument even if you don't buy the "moral" one. I know you'll say that the chicas may not want to just take you at your word that the tape is just for "remembering" and therefore you'd go behind them and do it secretly anyway. Well consider your next statement:First you say it is just for "remembering" and in the very next sentence you're already talking about loosening your standards and letting your friends have a peek. How is anyone to really be sure you'd even stop there?I'm glad to hear you at least have some limits. Now you're talking about something altogether different from what we were talking about at the beginning of this thread. Snapping a facial shot in a public place for personal use is not anywhere near the same thing as hiding a camera in your room and secretly taping intimate sex acts for purposes completely unknown to the chica. In fact, if that were all we were talking about there wouldn't be any reason to do it secretly because nearly any chica wouldn't have any problem having a picture of her face taken.Again, this is the two wrongs make a right rationalization argument. The flip side would be that it is alright for her to steal from us because she's taken the risk of being taped. "I don't think that he should let me into his room thinking that all is well. If you give most of these mongers the chance, they'll secretly tape you." It doesn't sound so reasonable when you put it that way, does it?

To do it secretly is easier than asking. Blacklisted? Oh, yeah, blacklisted like my picture is going to be posting in the DR? Come on, be real! I can't believe I'm hearing this. The guy that did this - I'm sure and absolutely positive that any Chica in the SL and any Chica in the DR will still do him for the LOVE OF MONEY. Another thing, without the posters in the DR, only about .005% of the hookers in CR know what happened in the SL so I'm not sure how this blacklisting would work.
Without the sex act, as I said, "not the whole video," it is nearly the same as showing them a still photo. One is in motion and the other is not - whoopie.
Not ALTOGETHER different! It is still on the subject of imagery.
It isn't about 2 wrongs making a right and don't get me started on the risks, because after AIDS, herpes, HPV, physical abuse, the common cold, the flu and even death since they are dealing with STRANGERS a secretly taped video is NOTHING!

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Funny you didn't quote this: "I've never video taped anyone in CR."

Is that too direct for you?
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Just to clear up any misunderstandings. I just wanted to present a different point of view - one that I actually believe in though I've never lived up to it. I have taken photos of Chicas, however never any nude imagery of anykind. I always ask for a picture before she leaves my room and sometimes I've taken a picture in the lobby of the SL instead of my room since all I want is a face and a clothed body shot to remember.

I actually have no interest in watching myself have sex with anyone. I'm afraid it might gross even myself out so I just have no interest.

For those that do have the interest, I have absolutely nothing against their methods. There is a time and place for everything and I happen to believe that CR, Brazil, PI, Thailand and the rest of them are the best time and place (if this is what turns you on).

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Please stop with the challenges. Relax. CRT is just a small group of sex tourists so none of the so called ugly stuff is going to stop because CRT exists. The world of sex tourism in CR is bigger than CRT so airing all the dos and don't on here isn’t going to change anything. Pretending as though creating a code of mongering ethics among CRT members will change how guys behave in CR is naive and near childish to say the least.

If you think about it, CRT consists of just a few regular participants (they come and go) and a few more casual lurkers (they come and go) so I wonder how this will effect change in CR when most mongers haven't a clue this website exists.

After all of this, I no longer feel like I'm even on CRT, has this site been hijacked by the religion right?

I just want to get along Prolijo. I don't want to constantly defend all of the quoted text.

Cheers. BYE.

For the record... I try to never piss off or offend anyone on this forum, but this thread has taught me a golden rule I learned long ago but somehow lost my way in terms of this thread... You can never please everyone.

Prolijo et al... many people say things on this forum with the intent to demean, insult or slander... I can say with full conviction that I meant nothing derogatory by the word "American" or "gringo", and I think that is pretty clear and unarguable. For what it's worth, I had no malicious or derogatory intent with using either word.

I will change this title one last time... for the sake of P.C.-ness.

If anyone else has any comments or complaints with my final title, they can kiss my ass... and I give full permission to videotape THAT!

Ruffnutz

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Has CRT turned into a bunch of wannabe lawyers? Boy, talk about thin skin. It seems that a lot of posters can dish out a load of crap, but take offense at trivial wording. Give me a break!

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Ruffnutz,

Sorry I missed the start of this thread. What was its original title? I fully agree with your stance on this issue. Ask before you shoot -- your camera, that is

Don't underestimate the chica network.

Hey Ruffnutz that title is still offensive to some of us, don't you remember this joke?-
At the height of happy hour, a drunk stood up and yelled, "All lawyers are assholes."
"Hey, I resent that," a guy at the bar yelled back.
Why?" the first guy asked, "are you a lawyer?"
"No, I'm an asshole."

Here is my two cents.

I am fat.

I am old.

I have a little dick.

If somebody showed a tape of me it would be on Saturday night live.

But I am one for saying that is me, I did it. And don't you wish it was you?

RN,
For the record, I wasn't the one that complained about your original title. As for my "complaints" if you will of your changes, I should have added that I didn't really have any problem with that either. Believe me, I didn't for even one nanosecond ever think you meant anything in anyway derogatory towards either americans or gringos in general. You were just using a commonly used expression for an unfortunate subset of those groups. My point was that you shouldn't have bothered changing the title in the first place to satisfy some petty PC complaint and I certainly didn't mean you should bother to change the title again. I'm sorry if that point wasn't clear. The last thing I wanted to do was to "Ruff"le any feathers.

Dwayne,
I'm not going to bother tearing up each of your statements since you just don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say and I'm not going to convince you of anything. Your arguments are all over the map and obviously you are playing devil's advocate.

I'll only say this: there is imagery and then there is imagery. Nearly everybody, including regular tourists, take pictures of people they meet on their trip to "remember". To somehow liken that to what took place in the room at the SL, which is what this thread is really about, is totally ridiculous. No one was arguing there was anything wrong with the former and about the only similarity is that "imagery" was involved. To bring the much more limited things that you would do into your argument only confuses the real subject at hand. Basically, you're saying you wouldn't have done what this guy did so you apparently have either some ethical or other personal problems with it, but that you think it would be okay if someone else did it. I disagree with that last part.

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Back on the original topic, IMHO, one of the key issues here is reputation. Reputation of the individual involved and the reputation of other CRTers by association. Okay, blacklisting maybe too strong a term, but it certainly doesn't enhance anyone's reputation.

The expression used in the original title of the thread (what was it again? ugly asshole Americans?) is often used in cases like this. It refers to a type of American that makes all of us look bad. People that use that expression rarely mean to suggest that ALL Americans actually are ugly assholes but rather that others may draw that incorrect conclusion.

In this case, there is the added possibility that this chica will not only associate this type of behavior with other Americans or Gringos or whatever but also more specifically with other CRTers. And not just this one chica either but all the OTHER chicas that witnessed her outburst at the SL after it happened and all the other chicas that she bitched about it to later. There IS a chica network that doesn't rely on a internet discussion forum or putting up posters in the ladies room at the BM. It works differently than this forum, but that doesn't mean it is any less effective. They may not be able to pick the guy out of a lineup unless the chica involved was able to point him out for them at some later time when they crossed paths again at the SL or BM or some other place. But the word of yet another incident like this involving a gringo or even a CRTer will definitely get around. As someone pointed out earlier CRT already has a uneven reputation amongst the chicas. The occasional posting of unapproved and sometimes graphic photos may have something to do with that. This is why some chicas are reluctant to agree to having their picture taken even when we ask and promise not to post. Whether this guy actually posts any of his photos or not, his behavior did nothing to enhance his reputation or possibly CRT in general with this chica and others.

Hey I would be glad to help solve all the dilemmas here & offer my seedy services. . I mean we need an intermediate that really knows what is going on & since I like porn & am so seedy you could have me review all the vids & I could JUDGE weather they have any offensive content or the person is simply too gross & the vid should be deleted. Well I just want everyone to get along & thought I would offer my seedy little services if needed.

PS Ruff I liked all your Titles & if you need to change it again how about:

Don't be so SEEDY IN THE GULCH!
Don't shoot YOUR SEED & RECORD IT!!
CHICAS DON"T LIKE INSTANT REPLAY OF YOUR SEED FLYING!

Ruff you sure meant well with all this & I for one am happy you posted it but it shows you how things just spin sometimes. For me Gringo & Ugly American are no big deal just 2 more words of billions & this is just a little old forum where we can exchange Ideas. Look how serious some people take this. Maybe some guys need to take two chicas do some seedy stuff & type back in the morning? It seems to put things in perspective too me.

Redman69 wrote:
Am I reading this wrong? Sounds like you are confessing? Clarify please.

I noticed that too but didn't have time to respond earlier. If you're going to present a different point of view follow through with a valid argument.
The last post has things like this-
Which have no relevance or logic concerning the topic, then you have the gall to follow them up with this statement!?
Strange game your playing, (and I agreed with some of your original points.)

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I can't believe how much philosophy has been put into such a simple thread.

What is the big deal about asking her permission? Most guys, during the intitial interview, will ask their chica several questions, regarding the inevitable, upcoming session. If you think that you might be interested in taping her, why not ask one more question on the front end? If she says "yes", then have fun. If she says "no", leave the ph*cking camera in its' case. I don't know what the big deal is............

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