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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:54 am 
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Are there two Rolex's?
I am totally confused. I just gave a big Amen to the Rolex who went on and on about the virtues of living in Costa Rica (The great view, the cooking adventures etc). Then, when I read GringoTim's post where he answers all of Rolex's comments about the bank guards, the lack of potholes and all these Americans who are on the run etc.
Rolex, how can you take two opposing views in two different posts on the same thread.
You're confusing the hell out of me!
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GringoTim,

I'm not going to respond to your post. It's pure political baiting and this isn't a political thread. I'm not going to be suckered into a political discussion here.

Why don't we set up a politics board? My jiu jitsu forum has one, and it effectively keeps the main board free of political discussions.


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LV,

There are two sides to every coin. If you want to look at things simplistically and say, "CR=Good." "US=Bad." Then this is your perrogative.

I personally think that it's important for forum members to know the pro's and con's of both societies, and then let people come to their own conclusions.


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Rolex;
I will ponder that as I enjoy my 7th floor view of Sabana Park and San Jose while sipping my Brit on this beautiful morning in CR.
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YO Pecker patriots:

Hell, I was going to vent on this issue but it's like beating your head against the wall. Alot of good points and some sad notes like "God bless America" ha ha ha ha ha"....give me a break. Personally, I do not laugh at or condemn my nationality or country. Lo Siento, just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't want to get political here. But everyone has the right to express their feelings.

Fellows: the answer to this topic is "WHAT EVER FLOATS YOUR BOAT" Every place has good and bad.....whatever you can live with. After you subtract the younger women "paid for" do you feel the same way?

As for ratings of countries.......If not the U.S...... PICK A BETTER COUNTY

Furthermore, whether you decide to live in the U.S. or another country it is an INDIVIDUAL THING contingent on your assets, age, health and personal life. I sincerely believe those are the four deciding factors.

My big complaints about CR is I can't find a delicious tender steak or tasty cold milk, not to mention the damn roads. Sincerely like the people though.

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Yeah-- steak is a big problem.

And how do they sell the milk without refrigerating it? I actually find that the milk here upsets my stomach less than the milk in the U.S. Go figure?

But I agree-- the steak tastes like shoe leather.

Although there is a place here in Escazu-- near the "Spoons" restaurant, but on the opposite side of the street-- that sells Omaha Steaks, as well as a bunch of other mail order type foods, right in the store.

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Rolex,

Thanks for the list of reasons. However, I must say that I don't find them too compelling for me. Money isn't an issue for me so the cheaper living wouldn't make it worthwhile. More than a couple of your answers contained an association with the females and the availability of "quality" women. As far as everything being cheaper, what about cars and electronics?

Rolex, you and others that live in CR have found your "center of happiness" and you have trade-offs that are acceptable to you. That is perfect and I applaud anyone, anywhere that can maintain their own center of happiness in this negative world.

However, comparing the US and CR and somehow proving that one is better than another is an exercise in futility. To each their own. Live and let live. The type of individuals that impress me are those that can hold on to the positives of all aspects of life, people, places and things and not have to degrade one to uplift the others.

Have a Great Day,

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LVSteve,

I, too, am having another beautiful day in San Diego with the birds singing, me looking out my window, the maids are in and life is grand here. I am glad that you are having the same experience.


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Dave,

It's not necessarily that it's cheaper (although it can be, if you live like a Tico) -- but rather that your money goes farther.

For example, if you compare what a $3k a month rental will get you in San Diego vs. what a $3k rental in CR will get you... you can be living in a luxury castle for the same money. And if you're already living in a luxury castle, you can be living in a BIGGER luxury castle with maids and servants and houseguests. Whatever floats your boat.

But I'm not saying one is better than the other. For example, if you're into fine dining-- San Diego has CR beat, hands down.

But if you compare the ease of meeting women (not necessarily hookers) and friends in general-- in CR vs. San Diego, my experience is that CR wins, hands-down.

But one isn't better than the other objectively.

It's all subjective, and how you're wired. I like living in a luxury townhouse with a view of the entire city-- and then a block down the road, there's a guy with a goat and a rooster sitting on the side of the road. That just blows my mind.

Of course, beach bunnies sitting on the side of the road in San Diego ain't bad either. It's all subjective. I just don't like it when some of these guys on the forum take an all or nothing stance. (I'm not referring to you).


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Rolex

I have a question--how long have you been living in CR?

Have your experiences living there anything like MexPat?

I think people should read this post again before deciding on whether CR is better to live in than the US:

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Living The Dream The Final Chapter!

After trying to "live the dream" for most of this year I've finally awakened and realized that San Jose, although great place to come and party for a few days, is just not a place that I want to live on a long term basis. So, in mid November, I'm outta here.


Basically I found that the main thing that attracted me to SJ originally, the availability of virtually unlimited sex with attractive young Latinas, rapidly became routine and boring. I know, I know. I would never have thought that was possible but that's what happened to me. And I tried all the variations. Short times and all nighters with expensive, top of the line Del Rey chicas, doubles and triples, a steady novia for a couple of months and MP chicas at all price levels. I found there to be, for me, sameness to all of these encounters which quickly became routine. The faces and bodies changed but the game was the same. The same trivial conversations, the same too often perfunctory sex acts, the same exchange of money and empty promises to meet again. At first the fantasy sort of worked for me but it soon became clear that any interaction I had with the vast majority of these chicas was really just about the money for them and the fantasy started to fade for me. I usually ended up feeling like just another Trick. Dissatisfied and somehow diminished in my own eyes. Some guys don't seem to mind this, or are able to sustain the fantasy that there is something else going on. I don't seem to be able to do that any more.

For a while I tried working the straight chicas at a dancing school I attended and in some of the dance clubs. That took a lot of effort and the reality was that I'm old enough to be the grandfather of any chica who is physically attractive to me. Unfortunately, Latinas don't have a very long shelf life. I meet very, very few over 35 who are attractive to me at all and most start spreading and sagging in their mid twenties. 95% have k*ds early and their bodies show the effects. Most of the chicas that really ring my bell, physically, are between 18 and 25. Granted, in Latin America relations between older men and younger women are more readily accepted than in the U.S. but even here there is a point at which an age spread becomes ridiculous... almost embarrassing. I may look to be in my fifties but I'm going to be 67 this year. For me, normal, non-commercial, social/sexual relationships with chicas in their early 20's, the type I find physically attractive, are really no longer feasible. What's in it for them? Unless they are Putas, of course. And the women in an age bracket of say 35 to 55, more appropriate for me, I rarely find even remotely attractive. Sort of a catch 22 that makes the chase more trouble than it's worth to me these days.

Sure, I could have gotten involved in a "relationship" with some chica if I had really wanted to. There are plenty around looking for a meal ticket. But the problem with speaking pretty good Spanish and understanding Latin cultures to some extent is that you quickly realize that 90% of these available chicas are really, really dull. They are largely uneducated, ignorant and for the most part, emotionally irrational and childish. The constants in their lives are their k*ds, their family and their unending need for money. Those are the things that interest them and are about the only things they can ever talk about. Dealing with their problems on a day to day basis quickly becomes very tiresome for me. Any man in their lives, particularly a much older Gringo, will most always run a distant fourth on their list of priorities and in reality become little more than an ATM for them and their extended family. Not my style. Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I have not run into any lately. Younger, attractive, well-educated, higher class, employed, bright, interesting chicas are not usually looking for relationships with Gringos in their late 60's. They have better options.

The reality that I'm coming to terms with is that I'm getting to the age where it's time to put the "hobby" behind me and find new ways to spend my time. I've been mongering for over 50 years. Started in Tijuana in 1953 when I was fifteen. The need and desire for sex has been the driving force in my life for many, many years. The real thrust, I've come to realize, behind almost all the choices I have made since puberty. I've expended huge amounts of energy and very substantial amounts of money trying to attract and please women so that they will reward me with approval and sex. I've never, until fairly recently, questioned my behavior. It always seemed perfectly normal to me. And I guess it was. The male drive to plant seed in as many holes as possible is what keeps the world populated...but, as I age, and the production of the testosterone that fueled my sex drive declines, I'm finding that my interest is waning. I'm still functioning fine physically but the drive, the intense desire is no longer there. I still appreciate looking at a hot chica but feel little urge to follow through with the seduction or the negotiation. I've lost my lust. Mongering has become, for me, almost a chore rather than a pleasure. Something that I have been doing in recent months more out of habit than out of any real desire.

I find running through my mind, from time to time, the comments a certain Lord Sandwich made many years ago relating to the practice of frequenting prostitutes. In a letter of advice that he wrote to his son, he said, as I recall it, "The pleasure is but momentary, the cost is exorbitant... and the position is ridiculous!” Lord Sandwich must have been an older dude like me. There comes a time when it’s just time to move on to other activities.

When the ready availability of fairly cheap sex is removed from the equation I find little reason to remain in San Jose. The main things I look for in a place to live are political stability and security, pleasant year around weather, an affordable cost of living, reasonably well developed and maintained infrastructure, availability of the products and services that I use and a population of pleasant, interesting, attractive and more or less civilized people. I find Costa Rica in general and San Jose in particular to be pretty much lacking in all of these areas with a few exceptions.

Although marginally stable at the moment, after replacing half the cabinet last month, the government is inept and corrupt and seems to be pursuing an economic policy that is putting more and more pressure on the population. Their failure to pass fiscal reform legislation, the recent and ongoing rash of scandals involving payoffs to government officials and the deteriorating credit rating on public debt instruments are signs of trouble ahead. More and more Ticos are having a hard time getting by and are taking to the streets in protest or just to steal what they need to survive. The recent bloqueos and marches were annoying and disrupting to anyone trying to function here. I suspect these disruptions will become more frequent. Street crime is a real problem in San Jose and makes living here increasingly uncomfortable for me. Few people that I know have not been touched in some way by this. I had a watch stolen off my wrist in broad daylight last year, my ex-novia was knocked down and robbed of cash and a cell phone I gave her while waiting for a cab one afternoon, another friend was shot during an attempted robbery by three thugs as he was walking home from work a few weeks ago. Crime statistics are understated as most crimes are unreported. Why bother? The police are inept and few crimes are resolved. I find I really don't like living in a place where I don't feel safe taking a walk after dinner in any part of the city. Granted, in any larger city there are areas where one must be careful but in San Jose I feel that I have to watch my back everywhere at all times. And it seems to be getting worse.

The highly touted Costa Rican weather has been disappointing to me. I know, I know, in San Jose it's never really too hot or too cold, and of course it doesn't snow, but it is damp and gloomy a lot of the time. Think Seattle. I knew that there was a long wet season here but I found that even during the dry season it was windy and cloudy and I saw very little sun. Now, during the "green" season it doesn't rain all day...just, it seems, when ever I need to go out somewhere. An umbrella has become like an appendage that I don't leave home without. I've used the pool where I live less than a dozen times this year as there has never been enough sun to warm it up to a tolerable temperature. There are, usually, a few hours of sun in the mornings but most days the clouds and rain appear by early afternoon. I find San Jose weather to be...well...depressing. Of course, some folks don't seem to mind it. Vegas Bob says he loves the weather here. But then, he's from Boston. This is probably an improvement for him. I guess I was spoiled by the almost perfect, sunny, temperate weather I enjoyed in Mexico and am not interested in settling for much less on a long term basis.

One sort of expects to spend a lot less to live when one chooses to give up the security, comfort and convenience of the developed world and move to a third world country. I found this to be the case in Mexico where I was able to maintain a very comfortable standard of living on around $1,000 per month as long I was willing to put up with some inconveniences. This has not been my experience in San Jose. The cost of living here seems to be approximately double that of the smaller cities in Mexico, double that of Colombia and Nicaragua and some 30-40% higher than Panama. My average monthly expenses here, excluding chicas, have been running around $2,500. Way to much for the quality of life I am experiencing. Sure, it's possible to live cheaper but there is a limit as to how far I want to lower my standards. Many guys I know spend much more.

And Costa Rica is not that "pensionado" friendly. There really are no programs designed to benefit foreigners who want to retire here. Nothing like the great Pensionado program now available in Panama. If anything, the opposite is true. The need to leave the country for 72 hours every 90 days is, in addition to being a pain in the ass, expensive. I've traveled to Colombia, Panama and to San Andres this year to meet the requirement. Each trip cost me around $750. Adds around $250 per month on average to my budget. Yeah, I know, I could take a bus to Nicaragua cheaper. Phuck that! More and more, also, I am finding a two level price structure. One price for "nationals" and one for Gringos. Hotels and resorts openly publish two prices, many parks and recreational sites have one price for Ticos and a separate, higher price for Gringos, taxis and restaurants will stick it to unsuspecting foreigners in a second, my ex-favorite MP now charges 5,000 for Ticos and 8,000 for Gringos and even Merecumbe, the dance school I use, has just changed their price structure and is blatantly charging Gringos $20 per hour while Ticos get their private lessons for $13. Doctors and dentists do the same thing. They don't even deny or try to hide it. The message I get from this is that because I'm a Gringo they think I'm dumb enough to pay 50% more than a service is worth. And I don't like it. This practice just pisses me off!

The government admits to inflation running at about 14% so far this year. In fact, as in the U.S. it's much higher than government published figures. I've seen an increase of 20-25% in the colon cost of most things I buy here this year. The gym where I workout was charging 18,000 colones for a 3 month membership in January. Now it's 40,000. Some of the ignorant 'gym rats" who hang out there are trying to charge US$150 a month for "personal training". 45minutes of bad advice three times a week...that works out to about $17 per hour. There's something wrong with the charges for some of these personal services. The minimum wage, the amount for which most Ticos work 48 hours a week, is still around $250-60 per month, or around $1.25 per hour. Where do these guys get off trying to charge $17 for standing around watching ME push iron around? And I won't even start on whores trying to charge $100 plus. Enough has already been written on the Board regarding that subject.

I have noticed a lot of price increases in the supermarket that do affect everyone. A roast chicken cost 1,940 colones in Automercado in January. Now it's over 2,350. Increases in the cost of other products are similar. My light bill has gone from 11,000 to 15,000 for the same amount of consumption. The price of gasoline is going through the roof. Now over $3 per gallon I'm told. And it goes on and on. I'm not extravagant at all but my purchases at Automercado average $375 per month just for myself plus around $200 per month for restaurant meals. Over twice what I spent in Mexico and even more than I was spending in Nevada before I left the U.S. The cost of living here, although admittedly still less than major U.S. cities, is rapidly getting out of hand in my opinion and CR is no longer a very good value in terms of what one gets for ones money. At 15%-20% per year rate of price inflation the cost of living will rapidly become unmanageable for many on fixed incomes.

The infrastructure here is typical third world. Highways and many streets are in miserable condition, the power fails frequently and traffic sucks. Although I miss having a car I would not want one here. Trash and garbage are often not picked up in my neighborhood for days. It's hard to find a place in the city where it's pleasant to take a walk or a short hike. Bike trails? NOT! Hardly even a decent park. La Sabana is not too bad but not convenient for me without a car. I miss playing tennis. Even in Oaxaca, the capital of one of the poorest States in Mexico we had some nice, well maintained public courts conveniently available. Here, to the best of my knowledge, the only public courts around are the three shabby courts in La Sabana which are always full of surly Ticos. Oh sure, you can join a private tennis club, if you want to buy shares for between $5,000 and $15,000 plus a fat monthly fee. I don't think so. Poor infrastructure is more easily tolerated if at least a city is visually attractive. Colonial, perhaps, and with beautiful old buildings and interesting streets. San Jose is, frankly, one of the ugliest cities I have ever lived in. And then there is the internet situation. I have a cable internet connection which is supposed to give me downloads at 128Kbps. lately it has been so slow at times as to be almost unusable. A bandwidth test this morning showed I was getting only 32kbps. Calls to Amnet and Racsa get no good answers. As it varies from day to day it must be a problem with their system and not my equipment but they won't admit it. And there are no alternatives since Racsa has the internet monopoly. This problem, in itself, is making San Jose unacceptable to me as a place to live.

I have found most of the products that I need to live here to be available, although frequently they are imported and more expensive due to high taxes. Mall San Pedro has been convenient for me and I hang out there a lot. GNC vitamin products are available but pricey. I have to spend around $125 per month to get the supplementation that I need. Some sugar-free hard candies I like to suck on cost $2 for a bag of twenty in the market. I finally found some large shoes, a finely made brand called Calderon, to be a good value for around $75. Some services are still a very good deal, particularly dental and medical services. Even when a "Gringo Premium" is added costs are much lower than in the States for good work although much higher than in Colombia, Panama or Mexico. I've had dental work done and some surgery for minor skin cancer and was pleased with the competence of the doctors and the prices.

Latin dancing is one of the activities that I have enjoyed a lot here. Since April I've gone from zero to not too damn bad at dancing Salsa, Meringue, Bolero, ChaChaCha, Bachata and some other stuff. The classes and lessons have been fun, good exorcise and are affordable although that seems to be changing too. Dancing at the Latin clubs has not gone as well for me. Often the people are there in groups and it's hard to know who to ask to dance and who is off limits. Most of the older chicas, if there are any, are pigs and the young ones aren't excited about dancing with an old Gringo. And some of the clubs are LOUD! I thought I was bleeding from the ears when I left Hobbies over in Tibas one night. I can always dance with the whores at Key Largo, of course, but it's often hot, loud and crowded there. Not too much fun for me. But, when I'm in the States I bet I'm going to be a real hit with the old ladies at the Senior Center tea dances. Whoopee Phuck! I'm really looking forward to that! Hmmmmm....well, maybe not quite yet.

Even I cannot complain about the looks of the Ticas and other Latinas I see here. They are extraordinary and can be seen virtually everywhere. Even though my interest is more aesthetic than carnal these days, I do get a visual treat whenever I leave the house. Unfortunately, most become little more than brood mares as they age. Ticos are less interesting. They seem to share the Latino male tendency towards machismo and often display a spoiled Ch*ld's lack of interest in the feelings or well-being of anyone other than themselves. And Ticos unfortunately seem to lack the humor and spirit I found in male Mexican friends which helped to offset some of their less pleasant traits. The Tico lack of consideration is manifested in the way they drive, in the way they ignore time commitments, their rudeness in lines and in the cine, in the way they treat their women and in their interaction among themselves. It's a cultural thing. "Falta de educacion" they call it, poor upbringing, but then they pass it on to their k*ds. They don't even seem to like, respect or trust each other very much. The only Ticos I have encountered who seemed even somewhat open, helpful and friendly are those who were either making money from me in some way or wanted to. I don't feel I've made any Tico friends, here only casual contacts. And that has disappointed me. This is just my view....as always, other folks' experiences and opinions may very well be different.

For the most part I've felt like an outsider in this culture. More so even than I did in Mexico. Always a little apart, on the fringe of things, different...the stranger. The Gringo. I didn't really expect it to be any different. Everything one does in a foreign country is a little more difficult because one just does not have the background...the depth of experience in another culture to fully understand all aspects of whatever it is that's going on. A Gringo will always be at a disadvantage in a Latin culture. At least that's the way I have always felt. It's just so much harder to get anything done. Gets old after awhile. Speaking the language helps but doing so only allows one to see more clearly how deep the cultural differences really are. At first this was interesting and challenging for me. Lately it's just become tiresome and annoying. Trying to adjust myself to THEIR way of doing things has become a bore. Even speaking Spanish, a language I have worked so hard over the years to master, has become tiresome. Just too much damn trouble. I've lived a total of 12 years in Latin countries during my life and, at least for now, I've had enough. I think it may just be time for me to go back to the States for a while.

Hopefully my predominantly negative comments won't discourage any guys who are interested from visiting CR and testing the fantasy for themselves. At the very least it is a great place to party. I really feel a guy's experience here depends a lot on his age bracket. Guys in their 20's and 30's are going to have different reactions and experiences than those in their '40's and '50's or older guys in their '60's plus. A somewhat younger guy can become part of a young chica's own fantasy, be seen as a potential mate, and sometimes be treated very differently than a fat, old, married guy who the same chica is unlikely to ever see as anything more than a "John" or at best a longer term meal ticket. As far as partying goes, there is something here for everyone.

To those who dream of living here full time I can only suggest that you "try it before you buy it". Come down light, rent a place for a while, try doing the things you think you want to do here and see how it feels. Give it six months to a year before you burn your bridges behind you and fully commit. Beware of the scammers and expat Costa Rica "experts" who will surely find you and offer you everything from great real estate deals to hot investment opportunities. To be an "expert" here all one needs to do is have a business card printed. No experience necessary. Many high interest investment schemes have gone under in the last couple of years, The Cubans, The Brothers, and The Vault. Millions have been lost by trusting Gringo investors. These investors seemed to forget that high return means high risk. Dealing in real estate here is much, much different than in the States and much more risky in my opinion. The term "buyer beware" takes on a whole new meaning in Latin countries. Gringos often find they have few rights, little recourse and when problems come up encounter a convoluted legal system unlike anything most have ever experienced. Personally, I'm glad that I've have stayed very "light" here during this year. I haven't opened any bank accounts, gotten a cell phone, bought a car or a house nor signed any contracts. Now that I've decided to leave it's just a matter of buying a ticket and packing the same two suitcases with which I arrived. I've kept my life here simple and since I've decided to cut it short I'm very glad I did.

Although living here is not for me I'm certainly glad I've had the opportunity to experience "Costa Freaka". I've made a few good Gringo friends here with whom I will keep in touch and I may even be back someday. For a vacation, anyway. The CRT Board was a useful resource in the beginning and I wish all involved continuing success. I've had some really enjoyable interaction with many of the guys I've met through CRT. That's been fun. But it's time for me to move on. In November I'm heading up to Tucson for a while, where my son lives, and, if I get tired of that, well, quien sabe?

My best wishes to all those that have been part of this Board.

Que les vaya bien!

Mexpat


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Although experiences living in CR vary enormously per individual this is an experience worth noting IMHO (especially in this thread).


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No matter what the destination let’s don’t get so preoccupied and screw up the journey! :wink: Knowledge & places can help us or hurt us & it is up to us to use them wisely as we are a product of our own making . To me the main goal is to find true inner peace & happiness without hurting others & helping others when you can where ever my journey takes me? :shock:

For me I feel like one of the truly lucky one’s as I have found my inner peace & true happiness no matter where I live. :?


Costa Rica helped me more I feel than any single thing else in life & here is how I believe. The economic advantage I had, had its cheep rewards as I could push it around a little & feel big (powerful WOW?) for a moment. Hey lots of wine, women & song how can that be bad. Well it does get old when it is repetitive & shallow but still an amusement of sorts.

I always rode the bus as not only was it cheep it was fun as I love these native people. This one bus ride (30 cents) changed my life forever. A Tico came out of this piece of shit house by our standards & had his Sunday best on. He was proudly glowing & radiating happiness. It showed from the lines on his face as he was older but had the true lines of happiness & I really study people. I got lucky & he sat buy me. We talked for some time & he said I seemed worried & I said you are right & you see right thru me I guess. I said I have been here so long I am behind on many of my material goods at home which was all the latest greatest shit money could buy. 8)

I said I am surprised you are so happy as I saw the house you live in & he smiled & said son you have missed it & I hope your life doesn’t pass you by. I was 29 when he told me that & on a roll in the US but this guy had something I felt deeper than me as I knew he had found is true inner self worth & it has stuck with me ever since. I hope he is still alive and someday we meet again so I can give him a hug & tell him how much he has meant to me all these years. Yes it may seem dumb to some but I feel he helped me more than all the gals in the gulch put together at least it worked for me. I didn’t start giving away everything but man he help me find the balance I needed.
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That’s it CRTers I am leaving for an eternal vacation. Live long & prosper. :D

Zip

PS WE are all truly lucky men as we have options and so many men on this planet don't.


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Romolus;
I knew Mex Pat and visted him on numerous occasions. Mex Pat, as a matter of fact provided me with a roadmap to follow when I first moved down about a year and a half ago.
What you have to remember about Mex Pat is that he led a MUCH different life down here than I do. Mex Pat lived in a nice area but he kept too much to himself and really didn't partake of what San Jose had to offer. He had relationships that went sour and he took them much too seriously. He was constantantly comparing things and costs to Mexico, not the US and he was constantly disapointed.
I have a very active social life here that includes American friends, Ticas and Ticos and have my daily routine. I have a car and often get out of the city to the country and the beach. I also have many monger friends that visit here and I like showing them around. Sure, I've had problems with relationships and legal deals that I kind of let roll off my back - this is, after all Costa Rica and shit happens. Almost every day, I learn something new and enjoyable about my new suroundings.
In closing, I live much like Rolex (new, high rise with a beautifull view, pool, total security) and there is no way that I could afford this lifestyle in the states.
LV(very happy in CR) Steve

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I don't believe anyone is really trying to prove that CR is not a great place to live. Just because Mexpat did not find it suitable for him doesn't mean it isn't paradise for many others. And, just because LVSteve and Tman and others now consider it paradise to live there doesn't mean that it would be for everyone else. Happiness is in your mind. Wherever you are happy that is where you should be. My problem is with broad, sweeping statements that states only negatives on one place (US) and only positives on the other place (CR).

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After all of this thread, I find that insanity is the best state to live in. I think you must get your passport stamped to live in that state when you get your CRT card. :o


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Wow...a couple days off the board and I see this multitude of interesting thoughts and reactions. I do think this a healthy discussion even if obviously many of us feel defensive about our various decisions related to where we choose to live and what we choose to believe.

I actually should correct an inference that comes from my original posts that are not totally what I meant. I am not meaning to bash my native country, nor try to hold up CR as a better replacement. Its more about cultures than countries. It is more about generally living outside versus inside the US...not comparing it to Costa Rica specifically. Obviously there are advantages being American and carrying a US passport. Also I think it fairly obvious that having money or knowhow of how to make it outside the US makes it easier to accommodate the change of culture and lifestyle.

I think the general problem I have with my home country US of A at this time is a general false sense of security from where my world view is. While many of us on this board live comfortably in the US and make a good living...that living is being chopped away quite rapidly by factors of globalization, national debt issues, and yes, personal lifestyle debt of a majority of it's citizens who are the worlds major consumers. There are few places in the world that people making 6 figure incomes live paycheck to paycheck...but I know lots of people back home in that situation. Cost of living in "keeping up with the Jones'" is driving some of you into personal bankruptsy...and the laws are changing rapidly there where you cant so easily get the fresh start and credit/capital you will need to sustain the "American Dream".

I also believe global markets will shift significantly over time where the protectiveness of the US govt and its agencies...even the SEC...will backfire and there will someday be more security in offshore mutual funds and insurance contracts than in the US. You are already seeing funds flying out of the country into offshore markets and interests that offer better interest rates, secured in stronger currencies, and with more upside that emerging markets bring. As the baby boomers retire and move about, you will see substantially more of that...UNLESS our govt starts limiting and passing laws to penalize those who want to take their money elsewhere. This in my opinion would be unconstitutional...but in many ways our country is getting far away from the original ideologies it was founded on. As it becomes more ingrown...I see the potential for the fall or decline of America...just like Rome, the British Empire...they expand and dilute...and get away from their orininal premises until they implode from vanity and blindness towards the reality of their kingdom's condition.

Add on top of that our huge consumtion of the world's resources including oil and you will realize there are some serious problems facing the future of America. It's a big machine...but carrying a bigger load...all the immigrants that continue to pour in trying to live the "dream" our media markets world wide...while the very jobs they are seeking start going to the people they left behind in Mexico and elsewhere. most of the recent immigrants in the US I have met are NOT that happy and content. BUT...they are sacrificing for the good of their families and Ch*ldren back home...who are arguably happier in their every day lives. IN many AMericans case...they have no excuse to be unhappy or unfulfilled...but...they are from the look of things.

I hope things can turn around for the good back home. Meanwhile, I carry many American ideals with me wherever I live or do business. But these are no longer just American ideals. Democracy, free enterprise, and entreprenuralism are no longer just "AMerican". One could argue those are disappearing there while growing in places like China, Russia...and yes, Central America.

One last reality point before I can sleep peacefully :roll: ...I moved to CR because I believed I could start over and grow both personally and businesswise faster as an "aging" American. If I had tried doing in the states what I do here, I would have multiple times the competition, much larger overhead and taxes, PLUS, I would still be in the water and food chain there that I strongly believe causes the huge increases of cancer (as well as obesity) in that Continent. I am much healthier here than when living in US culture. I gain 6-8 pounds every time I spend more than a week there.

And finally finally, on a positive note, it is not just about Costa Rica. This whole region is booming...and outside of the chicas and vices that are easily attainable here...I'm not sure it's even the best place to target. I will live in Panama City at least part time starting end of September. ..and I fully expect to profit there more and faster than I have in CR...but with some lessons I learned these 3.5 yrs in Costa Rica.

Thanks to everyone for opening up on this thread. For me it has been informational...and therapeutic to express these things to my friends...


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Great thoughts Tman and it was a pleasure to hook up with you on your whirlwind tour thru the states. There are many thoughts in this thread that eloquently state the individuals pro's and con's of Costa Rica and the United States.

Perhaps I will see you in Panama Labor Day weekend and if not in Costa on November. Thanks again for the Fluer De Cana. (Still Sippen)

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