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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:13 am 
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Positive- I have to admit I was starting to feel inferior. As a younger, in shape guy, I just figured I must not know what I was doing. Afterall so many of my CRT Fathers 60+, out of shape where making these young prostitutes orgasm during every session. Heck several even said they make them orgasm more then once.

Ruffnutz, I appreciate you showing me the light and exposing those with outlandish orgasm claims. I feel much better now.


This is precisely why I haven't posted regarding my first six days here

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:27 am 
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Some good points made in this thread, but I'd like to point something out. Colombianas are NOT the only ones who are asking for cien and are all-business. I have talked to (and passed on) some non-Colombianas with those same undesired qualities/characteristics.

It's seems like Colombianas have become the symbol (on CRT) of rushed, cold, all-business types of sessions and it may give a first-timer the impression that the Ticas, Nicas, Panamanians, Venezuelanas, etc. are ALL sweethearts, and that ALL Colombianas are bitches. We know this not to be the case on both counts.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:50 am 
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I think Wits and Jazzmusicians points are well taken. Its not about nationalities...but about "emprasarios" of all makes at the Delrey and elsewhere. Its about chemistry with any woman from anywhere. Believe me, I find beauty wherever I go. And probably our statements pro or con based on any nationality is too general and maybe unfair...in either direction. At least to the point where we have unrealistic expectiations to the pro or con.

The other interesting dichotomy among us is some guys liking the more pro girls for their proven knowledge and abilities...even if they are clock watchers. Get it done and move on. Others are looking for the fresh inexperienced newby in the lions den who they can "break in" or even get a paternal sense of caring for and from...or...just get it cheaper. In my experience, while many of these are "sweethearts"...their are usually very timid and not the best at much of anything sexually. So, once again...everyone has a little different fantasy they are looking for.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:00 pm 
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Cocker wrote:
The problem here is all the gringos in the DR are not CRT members and all the chicas see gringos as cien.


Well, I suggest you re-read this post, where there have been several "cien apologists." CRT membership or no, the stronger case here has been made as follows:

1. You want to get the hot girls, even though you're paying, you must be a physically fit, lithe, sober, Spanish-speaking non-smoker who doesn't really care about money. In other words, if you can't close the deal at home with a gringa, if you lack tone, grille or game, don't even try. The fantasy is still out of reach, even though the women will Phuck for money. :cry: I guess I'm eliminated (weight). This gringo doesn't make the cut.

2. You won't get the girl of your dreams unless you can meet her price. Negotiation is not an option, and if you do, the best you'll save is 10 percent or so, so why bother? You can't get anything better than an "8" for under a hundred, accept it moron.

3. No CRT member has ever made a hooker have an orgasm.

4. Colombianas are either your favorite treat or scum, depending upon your experience and whether or not you're currently banging a Colombiana favorita, have been married to a Colombiana or just like fake tits.

This thread has done more to sober me up and serve as a reality check than anything else I've ever read on this board. It would appear that CRT members are iether more educated than the rest of the gringos, or at least we're less self-deluded.

Guess the going price now is cien. :(

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Nice discussion here. Everyone makes good points. One thing for sure we are all categorized & we categorize as well.

For best performance I believe you better find some common ground to build from. Mutual respect goes along way & bad attitudes self destruct both ways.

I saw one new Colombiana in HDR with a good friend of mine. He speaks the language & is a class guy treating all people with due respect, looking down his nose at NO ONE! He takes pride in taking care of himself & it SHOWS! This Colombiana said you two are the first Gringos I have talked to that seem to be intelligent. (we know better :lol: ) Just stating what she said. She also said most Gringos are very obnoxious asking are those TITS REAL etc. :? .

She was new & fresh off the plane. I am sure she talked to the Colombiana P$P union contractors before she ever left Colombia & knew what the going rate was. She spends the whole night for 80 & didn't want to leave my buddy but he wanted her to go so he could sample others but not in her face.

We have tremendous control over getting more from these Latinas if we are willing to be honest with ourselves & work at it. I know it makes little sense to work hard for a P$P gal but just do it for yourself. If you can not communicated with these Latinas in their own language since most do not speak English all that well (unless they are pro or lived in the states???) what can one really expect. You can only make funny faces & sign language for so long. You want to really touch them learn to speak to them.

Not real expecting to just throw down some money & do little to help normalize the situation & expect great results too me anyway. After all there is the human element always.

My experience has show that men that are down to earth & not full of themselves seem to get more respect from the women & are better liked as a whole. I tend to agree it is not the country but the chemistry.

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Great line & this is where we are all headed with time like it or not. Once we are "over the hill" realistically all we have to offer these women is our money(so take care of it) & dignity being a good person since we have little time left even for ourselves to expect to offer them much hope of a real life together. So I just enjoy the ride & let it be. I have been lucky since all my shit seems to come out in the wash :P .

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Armani = Delrey?? Surely you jest? :shock: The DR is a nice hang out, a place to bullshit with friends, get a little blazed and watch the show. You want Armani? Visit one of the mainstream termas in Rio. Slick, Tica, Wit, do I lie?

I know this is CRT, and I always have fun there. But just listen to VB and don't go above 30G. Everything else is just talk!

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Leave it to some one on this board to try to overanalyze a comparison (or was it a metaphor or simile), spin it and make it to where it makes no sense at all.

Rio rocks, we get it, and most of us know it to be a fact, but that's not what this topic is about... there's no sense or solution in trying to inject Rio comparisons to this specific topic.

And I wasn't comparing the DEL REY to Armani, JEEZE, i was comparing certain chicas LOOKS' in the.... ahh forget it. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:08 pm 
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Cien or not to CIEN sure brings out a CIEN of things :lol: ! Relax guys it is only PU$$Y & it is all REPLACEABLE!

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I have to agree with Ruffnutz post. I am having a lot easier time negotiating time and services rather than dollars. Many of the girls are so focused on getting one cien customer per day as their target. If I choose to pay that it is usually after taking them to KL for a couple of hours and at least two hours at my place. If they are hot and I get what I want cien for four hours of entertainment is cool by me. I will take this every time over someone who I have negotiated down to the point where they feel bad about it and rush through a mechanical 45 minutes or an hour. If I only want to spend a little for an hour the MPs are where I go. If I want a great looking kitten for multiple hours I head to the DR and KL. I think we can all agree that cien for mechanical 45 minutes sucks.

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I agree with Zippy's points posted above (the 2nd one up) and stated something similar in a different thread about showing the chicas a good time. It's not only what happens in the room but what you can make happen before getting to the room. Everybody has their own strategy, non-strategy or way to play the game I guess but realizing that I have control over a certain part of how things go and trying different tactics to play the game can make a big difference in the end results. How many times do we read of a guy getting a bad chica posting afterwards about ignoring the "warning signs"- I'm guilty of the same thing, overlooking a bad atittude or signs of a clock watcher because that hot body looked so good. :twisted:

One thing I've done several times (but only with chicas I'd been with before) is make them an offer, 30k, 40k/2 hrs., whatever and when she says NO I tell her that I'll be around the HDR or KL if she changes her mind. This works especially well on a slow night, if a chica gets tired and wants to make something before heading home she'll come looking for me. This puts the pressure on her while I go off and have fun as her little chica hamster-wheel brain starts thinking "well Paco's an easy 30k and a decent guy, if I don't grab him soon the no good man-whore will go with some other puta, but if I hold out some gringo sucker may come along and pay me cien, but it's kinda slow tonight...Damn, I really love Paco, now where did that cheap phucker go?" :lol:
OK, who knows what they think but it has worked for me a few times.
Similar strategy to what Jazz did the other day text-messaging his offer to several ladies.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:43 pm 
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Ruff,
I am going to try your stragety on this trip. I will report back and let you know how it works.

On a side note: On my last trip I went with 3 newbies and even after I told them about not paying upfront and not paying Cien. They all did what they wanted. 2 of them paid upfront everytime and one of them paid $300 for a TLN. Guess what? They were so happy with the time they had, they did not care what they paid or how they paid it.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:10 am 
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Ruffnutz wrote:

4. Here's how I factor if what I'm getting is good at DR or KL: ZB charges me $40 a pop or an hour. In my personal opinion, the chicas at ZB, though I LOVE THEM TO DEATH, are at best 7's looks-wise. When talking to a DR/KL chica whom I'd easily consider an 8.5 or better, I'm already getting a great deal with having her for two or more hours, BBBJ and multiple pops for cien. An allnighter for $150 where a guaranteed 3+ sessions is going to happen (two or more sometime throughout the night and one in the morning) is a sound deal. AGAIN, this is for an 8.5 or better, not some skank that could easily fit in the Dungeon or Europa 2000... Apples and oranges guys, remember that.

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I guess I'm lucky that I don't find the DR girls to be as attractive as
the low-cost girls, especially at a place like Bar Idem. Fake boobs
repell me, and I am not impressed by designer jeans and flashy
clothes. To each his own: that's what makes a market. But here's the
ugly reality: as soon as guys on this Board accept cien, then the
price is going up to 200.

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I have been off the board for a few months but same topics :D I have made about 25 trips to CR and had more sessions that I can count. I have paid 10,000 colones at the Park Hotel for a great girl in 2003 and also paid 30,000 colones that year for a lousy time. Over the years I have paid from $40 to $100 for a session and the money was never a factor in the looks or the special quality of our time together.
Do what feels right....life is too short :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:01 pm 
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Hey twarag,
You hit it on the head. I got my free BJ at the Park in the good old days and was totally disapointed with a 2hr/cien with a 10 at the DR.
The Pu**y is for sale and you have to make the deal just like Mr. Trump.
The choices are out there BM, KL, SL, NYB, Jaco, RBC's list, and so on and so on.
The interview rules!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Perfect case and point. Several of my better sessions in my 19 trips to CR were in the last few trips of all palces at the Dungeon for a mere $10 and yes I did tip generously(3000 col. and they remeber you). Granted they may have been 5 to 7 plus girls in looks but service level was very high 9 or 10. To me a 10 who gives a level of 6 in service is not as satisfying as the 6 who gives a 9 or 10 level of service.rbc100

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