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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:32 pm 
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"Discussion about the status of Mr. Strecker and sexual tourism in general has been ongoing for more than a week at CostaRicaTicas.com, an online forum used mostly by male sexual tourists from the United States and Canada. Over more than 70 posts, the discussion veers into dubious analysis of Law 7899, whether Mr. Strecker was set up by U.S. law enforcement, and whether he was snitched on by a disgruntled website administrator who had previously worked with him."

http://news.co.cr/alleged-us-pimp-arres ... ica/41585/

Sorry if this is a repeat. I had not seen this site mentioned. It mentions us here, right now.

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^ good catch thanks
they can monitor this site all they want but no one is a fool on the level of CD
and he had an empire? lmfao

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By that same newspaper as above, this is perhaps a more enlightening article than the one about CubaDave. http://news.co.cr/alleged-expat-pimp-ar ... aid/40674/

This one is the arrest of an ex-pat with the last name of Calle who was arrested for pimping. Based upon the article it sounds like he was running an MP and being a bit too watchful over the girls.

Do any of you have more information on this? Do you think this in any way is the CR govt trying to tighten up their policing of our mongering activities? I damn sure would be very cautious if I owned or was supervisor of ZonaII or the old Scores or gringo owned places like these.

Was this by any chance one of the MPs that Cuba Dave promoted?

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"ex-pat" does not always mean "gringo". This raid and arrest took place at la Mansion the day after the police had done a routine visit to inspect papers and chica ages. The "ex-pat" in this case is the owner, a Colombian!

I am not a lawyer, but after reading both articles it sounds to me kind of like the star is confusing two different laws, one that makes it illegal to profit as a third party from prostitution (pimping) and the 2012 law which is directed at promotion of Costa Rica as a sex tourism destination thru the use of any of the various media. My understanding (certainly could be wrong) based on everything published up to this point is that he is being held and will be charged with breaking the 2012 law, not the pimping law.

I know the Star is wrong in their statement that prostitution is legal here!! It is neither legal nor illegal. There is no law making it legal, just as there is no law making it illegal!

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BangBang57 wrote:
"after reading both articles it sounds to me kind of like the star is confusing two different laws!

Yes Sir, Bang....that article was horrendous journalism, if you can even call it journalism. That was very poorly written, peppered with inaccuracies, and disorganized & confusing. And they even called CD elderly :lol:

As was the other one too....I have never been to the Mansion but sounds nice. I like reading the comments :roll:

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BB57 & CaptainCohiba, wasn't la Mansion one of the places that Cuba Dave was promoting on CubaDave.com and CRBlush.com? Does this indicate the CR govt is punishing (raiding & arresting) those places that Cuba Dave was promoting? They certainly went after Zona Blue and Hotel Little Havana several years ago after they received publicity, mostly on CRT. Is there a pattern here to cause any concern?

BB57, from your stories of your neighbor lady, does it indicate that Costa Rica just tolerates prostitution much the same way they tolerate small level theivery by the poor, but become concerned when either becomes too pervasive or in the control of too few people? If so, how has Big John been able to continue with Del Rey and Key Largo? Is he the example that proves the point by him becoming so wealthy and powerful the CR govt can't take him on? Is this what they fear could happen if they are unable to prevent other similar businesses from becoming too powerful?

I have no evidence to back up this idea. I'm just asking for the input from you guys who live in CR.

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I know the Star is wrong in their statement that prostitution is legal here!! It is neither legal nor illegal. There is no law making it legal, just as there is no law making it illegal!


As I sat on the throne today, alone with my thoughts, and proceeded in the activity that compelled me to be here, I thought...is what I am about to do legal? After all, there is all law that makes it so! :roll: :lol: :lol:

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BangBang57 wrote:

I know the Star is wrong in their statement that prostitution is legal here!! It is neither legal nor illegal. There is no law making it legal, just as there is no law making it illegal!


As I sat on the throne today, alone with my thoughts, and proceeded in the activity that compelled me to be here, I thought...is what I am about to do legal? After all, there is all law that makes it so! :roll: :lol: :lol:

There is NO law making a lot of things we do everyday "legal". Laws are in most cases written to prevent (hopefully) people from doing things that are harmful to themselves or someone else (in the eyes of the government writing the law)!! What you were about to do on YOUR throne in priviate DOES NOT NEED A LAW-YOU WERE NOT HURTING YOURSELF NOR ANYONE ELSE!! That is the way many (most) governments(EXCEPT FOR THE GOOD OLD USA, BUT INCLUDING COSTA RICA) around the world look at prostitution!! Thing is the USA government keeps butting into other countries business, threatening them for having legal prostitution.

In the USA today it seems religion and moral laws and customs are rapidly going down the drain! That is except for laws against prostitution!! Could that be because the USA has too many old, closed minded women, who hate anything sexual, running the government either directly or thru their influence (threats) to their husbands???? :roll: :wink:

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BB57 & CaptainCohiba, wasn't la Mansion one of the places that Cuba Dave was promoting on CubaDave.com and CRBlush.com? Does this indicate the CR govt is punishing (raiding & arresting) those places that Cuba Dave was promoting? They certainly went after Zona Blue and Hotel Little Havana several years ago after they received publicity, mostly on CRT. Is there a pattern here to cause any concern?

BB57, from your stories of your neighbor lady, does it indicate that Costa Rica just tolerates prostitution much the same way they tolerate small level theivery by the poor, but become concerned when either becomes too pervasive or in the control of too few people? If so, how has Big John been able to continue with Del Rey and Key Largo? Is he the example that proves the point by him becoming so wealthy and powerful the CR govt can't take him on? Is this what they fear could happen if they are unable to prevent other similar businesses from becoming too powerful?

I have no evidence to back up this idea. I'm just asking for the input from you guys who live in CR.

Lenny, I quit reading CD's and CRBlush's garbage a long time ago so I cannot say if he was heavily promoting la Mansion or not. The only local place I had heard of him promoting heavily since he had started returning to CR was a certain Gringo place (popular with a lot of Gringos even without his promoting it). As for them punishing places CD promoted, he promoted this place a lot from what I understand; yet, according to the owner, they have had less problems with the police than most of the other places.

There have been 6-7 places closed and the owner or manager arrested in the last couple of years. There is no rhyme nor reason to their actions against these particular places that I have been able to see. BUT I seriously doubt CD had ever even been in most of them. As I have mentioned before, one of them was extremely popular with the wealtier Ticos (Doctors, lawyers, big business owners, government officials, etc.). It was very discreet; was located in a quite, mostly residential neighborhood; and was not even known of by most average Ticos. There was no obvious connection to the drug business nor were they hiring und***ge chicas. It was not owned by one of the 2-3 big MP owners here (maybe that was the PROBLEM!!). Hell customers were not even allow to see other customers!! Yet it was closed and the owner arrested!! Maybe some big shot got too rough with a chica and she bit his C*ck, making him mad enough to get the place closed!! :wink: :P :twisted:

I cannot and will not go into all the "ins and outs" of the MP/pension business here in Costa Rica. Just suffice it to say there is a huge amount that Gringos (and even most Ticos) do not know!!

As for my ex-neighbor, she is a member of one of the old, wealthy, and powerful families of CR and was a very high ranking government official for many ears before retiring. She is also an old maid (some think also a lesbian) and very bitter, lonely person (my opinion from observing and talking to her for 5 years). She thinks ALL prostitutes are "terrible" women!! She thinks ANY young chica who dresses sexi (most of them) is a prostitute! She thinks EVERY Gringo living or visiting here is a low life only wanting to have sex with ALL of the young women of CR!! Damn she sounds more like a Grings than a Tica and she might just almost be right in this thought :roll: :wink: :P :!: :idea:

But most important with her and a lot of other influential and powerful Ticos is they do not like their country being known around the world as a "sex destination! They want their country "cleaned up" and its reputation changed. They could care less about the effect it would have on the chicas and others involved in the "business". They could care less about the (very, very small percentage of the total tourist dollar) loss to the local economy!! In fact they are of the opinion that if CR did not have this reputation, the over-all tourist business would greatly increase (by much more than what we mongers spend now!!).

As for "BIG JOHN", I and many other have wondered for many years just how he has managed to keep operating with relatively little problems (at least on the surface) for the last 22 years. There have been many opinions and rumors over the years; non of which have ever been proven to be correct! But we all know that money has its own built in power no matter whether it is in Costa Rica or the USA, or anywhere else in the world!!!

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But most important with her and a lot of other influential and powerful Ticos is they do not like their country being known around the world as a "sex destination! They want their country "cleaned up" and its reputation changed. They could care less about the effect it would have on the chicas and others involved in the "business". They could care less about the (very, very small percentage of the total tourist dollar) loss to the local economy!! In fact they are of the opinion that if CR did not have this reputation, the over-all tourist business would greatly increase (by much more than what we mongers spend now!!).


I'm curious as to yours, and anyone's opinion on here, as to WHY it is still legal if all of the above is true? Believe me, I'm NOT NOT NOT advocating making it illegal, but genuinely curious as to any theories of why the government doesn't simply outlaw prostitution if it brings so much trouble and doesn't contribute to the economy?


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But most important with her and a lot of other influential and powerful Ticos is they do not like their country being known around the world as a "sex destination! They want their country "cleaned up" and its reputation changed. They could care less about the effect it would have on the chicas and others involved in the "business". They could care less about the (very, very small percentage of the total tourist dollar) loss to the local economy!! In fact they are of the opinion that if CR did not have this reputation, the over-all tourist business would greatly increase (by much more than what we mongers spend now!!).


I'm curious as to yours, and anyone's opinion on here, as to WHY it is still legal if all of the above is true? Believe me, I'm NOT NOT NOT advocating making it illegal, but genuinely curious as to any theories of why the government doesn't simply outlaw prostitution if it brings so much trouble and doesn't contribute to the economy?

Because they also know that prostitution is an intricate part of life here-something that many of the Ticos (from the most wealthy and powerful to the poorer and less educated) partake of frequently. They see "Ticos" partaking as normal and different than tourists coming here for sex and especially when said tourists publicize it all over the world thus making their country look bad.! Everyone knows that a very high percentage of Ticos partake, but those same Ticos are reluctant to enter a MP located where there is lot of traffic for fear of being seen by someone who knows them.

For sure the day may (probably "will") come when they will start campaigning to stop ALL prostitution. But, I believe, that day is a ways down the road. They will take it a step at a time. At the moment their primary objective is to clean-up their country's reputation!! Outside of the USA, having legal prostitution (for the locals) is not seen as being so bad by most.

All of this is JMHO based on what I see and hear living in an all Tico area, having many Tico friends, and knowing the woman I mentioned above. And, frankly, in many ways I see and totally understand their feelings about the issue. In some ways, we are all guilty of contributing to them feeling the way they do. That said, I do not think any of us did things to hurt the country nor the people intentionally. Many of us thought we were promoting something that helped the economy and the people without ever looking at it from their point of view.

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I'm curious as to yours, and anyone's opinion on here, as to WHY it is still legal if all of the above is true? Believe me, I'm NOT NOT NOT advocating making it illegal, but genuinely curious as to any theories of why the government doesn't simply outlaw prostitution if it brings so much trouble and doesn't contribute to the economy?

In order to 'ban' it, they'd need to draft a law that the public would sort of support, and not use to vote them all out of office. Remember that for every sitting official there are 2 to 3 wannabees that will use anything possible to vote them out and get elected themselves. How many local, voting ticos do you think would really (publically or privately) support banning the act of (what we in the USA defines as) prostitution? Very few, IMHO. If they don't use it themselves, they are content to know that it is there if they ever need it.

However, they'd be happy to close the borders to our hobby, as it embarrasses every proud Costa Rican to no end. And we will know the 'end of days' when they finally close the HDR for good. It'll come, but could be years down the road as BB says.

As for the Costa Rican Star, Good on em for publishing the story. As the old adage goes: Nothing travels faster than bad news. The Star is doing more to advertise CRT and the entire prostitution scene than even CD did!

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! Could that be because the USA has too many old, closed minded women, who hate anything sexual, running the government either directly or thru their influence (threats) to their husbands???? :roll: :wink:


Yes, this is exactly the case. Attitudes towards this profession are always changing. I was raised by a working girl. I have no moral problems with it. I was always taught to believe that it is a woman's right to do what ever she wants with her body and nobody has the right to tell her not to. I find many other people and even nations as a whole that believe this. But people from the US always seem to believe there is something morally wrong with it and that some day they are going to prohibit it in places where they haven't yet. In some cases they are right but it always bounces back. It's the world's oldest profession for a reason.


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There is NO law making a lot of things we do everyday "legal". Laws are in most cases written to prevent (hopefully) people from doing things that are harmful to themselves or someone else (in the eyes of the government writing the law)!! What you were about to do on YOUR throne in priviate DOES NOT NEED A LAW-YOU WERE NOT HURTING YOURSELF NOR ANYONE ELSE!! That is the way many (most) governments(EXCEPT FOR THE GOOD OLD USA, BUT INCLUDING COSTA RICA) around the world look at prostitution!! Thing is the USA government keeps butting into other countries business, threatening them for having legal prostitution.

In the USA today it seems religion and moral laws and customs are rapidly going down the drain! That is except for laws against prostitution!! Could that be because the USA has too many old, closed minded women, who hate anything sexual, running the government either directly or thru their influence (threats) to their husbands???? :roll: :wink:


Ok. Did I miss the memo? The world is most surely coming to an end when Mr. Self Appointed Potentate And Grand Master of the Exclamation Point for No Obvious Reason Himself........drum roll.......Mr. BangBang57 is passing out legal advice. First tittie tours and now law. Jesus wept. What is in the water? :P

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Lennydo wrote:
BB57 & CaptainCohiba, wasn't la Mansion one of the places that Cuba Dave was promoting on CubaDave.com and CRBlush.com? Does this indicate the CR govt is punishing (raiding & arresting) those places that Cuba Dave was promoting? They certainly went after Zona Blue and Hotel Little Havana several years ago after they received publicity, mostly on CRT. Is there a pattern here to cause any concern?


Lennydo, I am not sure if he did. I think the problem is blowing these places up on the net with photos, videos, and blogging. You may think you are helping but you aren't doing the owner any favors. I also think the other problem is how good they were with SEO on their sites. Perhaps it was too effective.

BangBang, that was a heck of a lot of insight. Thanks for it. As it relates to CR's world reputation, I am surprised by the timing. 7, 10, or 20 years, yes I could see CR having that as its primary reputation. But now, I think if you asked 8 out of 10 people, they would say it is best known for eco-tourism. ** What do you guys think? Am I wrong on this? ** I can remember 7-10 years ago being on a flight and at the gate I could pick out all the mongers and it was the majority of the plane. Now, I actually see tons of seniors and mostly eco-tourists than anything else. Even in the CR airport, I see more eco-tourists than single male travelers. And it wasn't like that before. CR is probably the best at tourism marketing in Latin America. You have to hand it to them they have crushed it.

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