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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:18 pm 
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Greengo wrote:
har har .."the plan is to "eventually" charge ,..blah blah blah... :lol: :lol: :lol: eventually...meaning at a later time...dont worry well get there sooner than later :D :lol: :lol:


and you are privy to this information exactly how?

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Greengo I challenge you to back up one single thing you said in that post.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:28 pm 
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Hey, it’s OK. It’s just verbal/ semi-intellectual banter.

It is very interesting that various members (namely me) of this unique forum are motivated to express somewhat “raw emotion” and very inflammatory ideas concerning a highly diversified and controversial topic. (Looking for my soapbox) We as somewhat like-minded people should be able to discuss such a complex topic without the need of Miami arm breakers and name calling.

I’m a little bit sadden that I have taken issue with ID as I have read many of his posts for a considerable time and have nodded my head in agreement many times and been enlightened when reading his posts on this forum. For any ill feelings I have created, I sincerely apologize.

I continue to be surprised at the disagreements and lack of common ground that I have had with friends, colleagues and acquaintances on this inflammatory topic. Many people have a deep personal conviction and personal history with which they draw feelings, ideas and arguments. Does such disagreement mean that these people are evil or misguided? Of course not. Most likely it means that each of us carry/bring a personal experience and paradigms that are unique and individual. On this particular topic, it appears to be raw and the responses are quite often inflammatory and most likely heartfelt .

Is this topic the intent of CRT….no…..of course not? As a fairly long time VIP member and a somewhat infrequent poster on this unique forum, I apologize for breaking-the –rules and spewing my personal-political perception on an inflammatory and political hot potato.

But, there is something I am profoundly curious about. Are the girls at Hotel M priced out of the market and/or can a gem or two be charmed into a cultural exchange (roll-in-the-hay) for a reasonable propina?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:43 am 
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Another History Lesson...Flashback to March 30, 2001

..... have we learned anything ? :roll:

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http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/i ... efs_ib154/

March 30, 2001 Issue Brief #154
For a printer-friendly version of this report, download an Acrobat PDF version of this paper.

BUSH'S FUZZY SURPLUSES
Tax cuts based on CBO's 10-year predictions are a gamble the economy can't risk

by Christian E. Weller

Relying on a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projection of a $5.6 trillion budget surplus, President Bush has proposed an aggressive $1.6 trillion tax cut as if the surplus had already filled the treasury's coffers. The CBO projections, though, are problematic because they are just that - rough guesses of what will happen in a hard-to-know future. The consequences of the tax cuts, on the other hand, are not at all uncertain. Such cuts are permanent changes in the tax code and mean permanent reductions in government revenue.

Budget projections are an art, not a science. The projections of a $3.1 trillion on-budget surplus over the next 10 years reflect a good faith estimate by CBO of what the world may look like. But, as is true of all predictions, CBO's contain a large amount of guesswork. Enacting permanent tax changes that will have the largest effect on the federal budget five to 10 years into the future, and that are based on uncertain predictions, is bad policy.
The CBO projections are risky for several reasons:

•Nobody knows the future. While it is reasonable to expect that future economic outcomes will reflect historic patterns, some of the crucial variables in projecting future outcomes for budget surpluses have widely fluctuated from one decade to another. Moreover, the degree of variability of CBO's forecast grows larger the further into the future CBO attempts to project. CBO acknowledges that the forecasts five to 10 years out, when most of the proposed tax cuts would occur, are less likely to become reality than the forecasts for a single year into the future.


•Rather than relying solely on historic averages to make assessments about future outcomes, CBO occasionally attempts to predict the future. For example, it assumes that the current slowdown will not turn into a recession. But CBO really doesn't know if a recession is imminent or not. Under a different scenario - say, one that resembled the pattern of the 1990s of recession, slow growth, and then fast growth - the predicted surplus could be $1 trillion lower than predicted. Even more troubling is CBO's attempt to predict what will happen in the stock market: it implicitly assumes that stock prices will return to the high levels they attained before the recent correction.


•CBO does not have a well-established, time-tested history for making such projections, having issued such reports only since 1981. There just isn't enough statistical history to judge the probable accuracy of the CBO forecasts.
Uncertainty of 10-year outcomes
Forecasting economic outcomes depends on simplified assumptions that may or may not come true. Like a weather forecast, CBO's projections are valuable as rough guidelines for what the immediate future may look like, but they become increasingly unreliable in the long run.

One important assumption in the CBO projections illustrates the risks. CBO assumes that GDP growth will average 3.0% over the next 10 years. This is not widely off the mark when compared to long-term experience, but since 1959 the actual average growth rates over any 10-year period have fluctuated between a low of 1.95% (1973-83) and a high of 4.4% (1963-73). Given these historical fluctuations, growth may very well be below the assumed 3.0%. In fact, there is a nearly one-in-two chance that growth will average only 2.7%, instead of 3.0%, over the next 10 years.

With slower average growth, the surplus would also become significantly smaller. CBO estimates that with each drop in average growth of 0.1 percentage points, the cumulative surplus will be $245 billion lower. Consequently, average growth of 2.7% for the next 10 years means more than $700 billion less in surpluses.

Crystal ball forecasts for the stock market, the economy, and innovation
CBO's forecasts do not rely solely on past averages in predicting the future. Instead, the CBO has decided that some specific events will be more likely to occur than others. For instance, it predicts that the productivity boom of the last five years that resulted from increased investment in software and computers is a permanent addition to the economy. Also, it anticipates that today's economic slowdown will not turn into an all-out recession. And, finally, CBO forecasts that stock market growth will slow and then accelerate in the second half of the 10-year prediction period.

Other economic assumptions about inflation, unemployment, and growth depend crucially on the continuation of the productivity boom, which is largely based on investment in computers. However, by all accounts, it is too early to tell whether the so-called "new economy" has brought long-lasting, strong productivity growth of 2.7% in the non-farm business sector. If labor productivity amounts to only 2.2% (the average growth since the last business-cycle peak in the third quarter of 1990), GDP growth would amount only to 2.5% for the next 10 years1 and the surpluses would be roughly $1.2 trillion lower.

In addition, CBO admits that "[a] major risk to CBO's short-term forecast is that consumers and businesses will curtail their spending much more than CBO assumes, leading to a recession this year" (CBO 2001a). But CBO does not include this possibility among its assumptions. Instead, it projects that the economy will grow by 2.4% in 2001 and, after regaining steam, by 3.4% in 2002. Yet, if a recession or a prolonged slowdown does occur, CBO's surplus projections will prove to be overly optimistic.

One factor that would mitigate a worse-than-projected slowdown is income growth. CBO argues that low unemployment and continuous real wage growth will help the U.S. economy regain its footing. So to compensate for tighter credit standards and the loss of the wealth effect, wage growth will have to accelerate (or unemployment will have to fall further). Quarterly real wage growth, though, for all wage and salaried workers is already slowing, from a high of above 2.0% during 1998 and most of 1999 to 1.8% in 2000.

With real wage growth slowly falling, there is a good chance that real GDP growth will be lower than CBO predicts. To determine what this means for the surplus, assume that GDP grows at 2.0% for the next five years, and then grows at 3.3% (the average for all five-year periods) for the second five years (2006-11).2 GDP growth for the next 10 years would then average 2.6% instead of the 3.0% that CBO assumes, implying a loss of about $1 trillion in projected surpluses.

The CBO projections also rely on a forecast of stock market performance for the next 10 years, which is obviously an extremely difficult prediction to make. It assumes realized capital gains (the difference between the purchase price and the sales price of an asset) of more than 4.0% of GDP between 2002 and 2011, an average considerably higher than the 3.0% of GDP experienced between 1954 and 2000.

Realized capital gains rise and fall with the stock market.3 And so CBO's assumption that realized capital gains will rise again between 2006 and 2011 means that it is predicting the stock market's performance during that period.

CBO's stock market predictions seem optimistic. By all accounts, the stock market was overvalued in the late 1990s (Baker 1996; Diamond 1999; IMF 1998). Consequently, the decline in the stock market in 2000 and 2001 seems to be a long-awaited correction. The market value of all outstanding shares declined by 12.3%-or $2.4 trillion-from the end of 1999 to the end of 2000. For the household sector, which pays most of the capital gains taxes, equity holdings fell by 24.8% during the same period. For realized capital gains to regain levels close to those of previous years, CBO has to assume that the stock market will grow at above-average rates again. It seems at least as reasonable to assume that the stock market will grow at average historic rates, in which case capital gains realizations will also be at average historic levels relative to GDP-that is, 3.0% rather than the more than 4.0% of GDP that CBO assumes. Consequently, total tax revenues would be about $311 billion lower than projected.

Limited experience with economic forecasts
Economic forecasts, such as the CBO projections, serve a useful purpose. They give policy makers a rough indication of how an economy would react to changes in the underlying economic fundamentals. They cannot, however, be relied on as exact predictions of what the future will look like.

To account for the uncertainty associated with a specific projection, forecasters also give policy makers a worst-case and a best-case scenario. Hence, CBO shows a pessimistic and an optimistic scenario in addition to its main, or baseline, projection. Under the pessimistic scenario, for instance, the federal budget would show a deficit as early as 2004, and the total on-budget deficit would amount to $525 billion by 2011.

CBO also provides an indication of which scenarios are more likely to occur than others. According to its report, there is a 50% chance that the economy will do as well as the baseline scenario or even better. But there is also a 50% chance that reality will be worse than the baseline scenario.

While attaching probabilities to an outcome gives them an air of scientific solidity, this is misleading. To know how well it does in predicting the future, CBO itself compares its past projections with actual outcomes. Since 1981, CBO has made 19 one-year predictions and 14 five-year predictions. From these comparisons, CBO calculates how much it has been off on average.

There is one technical problem with this calculation, however. In using this prediction-error analysis to calculate the chance of being wrong in the future, CBO makes some simplifying assumptions about the probability distribution of its past forecasts. Most importantly, CBO assumes that the error in the forecast does not necessarily grow as the timeline of the forecast is extended. Or, as CBO itself asserts, "the estimated uncertainty of CBO's five-year-ahead projection errors would be considerably larger than reported here" if the error in forecasting would grow with the projection horizon (2001b). When it comes to 10-year forecasts, the CBO's experience yields only nine comparisons, which is too few, by its own account, to provide any useful basis for predicting the accuracy of its 10-year projections.
Given this limited experience, CBO's conclusions about the accuracy of its own forecasts is suspect. In fact, history shows that CBO has consistently overestimated surpluses or underestimated deficits. The chance that the actual surpluses will be less than CBO's baseline scenario may well be greater than 50%.
Conclusion
In the end, budget projections are only well-educated guesses about what the economy may look like under one set of simplified assumptions. Since the budget surpluses forecast in this way may or may not materialize, to treat these surpluses as if they were real and allocate them almost entirely to permanent tax cuts is irresponsible. And since the uncertainty of the budget surpluses grows the further into the future they are projected, a proposal that back ends the biggest cuts seems even more questionable.

Instead, policy makers should focus on the most pressing needs and allocate what can be reasonably assumed to be available within the next few years. Thus, responsible budget policy allows for a temporary tax cut or increases in public spending to stimulate the economy, but not for a permanent reduction in tax revenue.

Technical notes
A simple regression model reveals that realized capital gains are determined by the contemporaneous equity holdings by households. (Capital gains realizations are not significantly determined by lagged values of stock market valuation, which have consequently been deleted. Results, though, are available from the author.) To check the sensitivity of capital gains relative to equity holdings, the log natural value of capital gains were regressed on the contemporaneous log natural of household equity holdings. The results are as follows:



where Capital Gains are the total realized capital gains, and Equity is the direct equity holdings by households at the end of each period. The standard deviations of the parameters are in brackets. The regression results indicate that a 1% increase in household equity holdings results in a 1.2% increase in realized capital gains.

Endnotes
1. The fact that GDP growth is substantially lower with the same productivity growth as during the 1990s results from CBO's assumption that unemployment will rise to an average of 5.0% during the next 10 years. [Return to text]

2. There is no reason to believe that five years of weak growth are more likely to be followed by five years of strong growth. We calculate first the deviation of each five-year average growth from the overall average for all five-year periods. Then we calculate the correlation coefficient for the deviation of any given five-year period with that of the subsequent five-year period. The correlation coefficient is negative, but rather low with -0.35. [Return to text]

3. See the technical notes section for further details. [Return to text]

References
Baker, Dean. 1997. Saving Social Security With Stocks: The Promises Don't Add Up. New York: Twentieth Century Fund.

CBO. 2001a. The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2002-2011. Washington, D.C.: CBO.

CBO. 2001b. Uncertainties in Projecting Budget Surpluses: A Discussion of Data and Methods. Washington, D.C.: CBO.

Diamond, Peter. 1999. What Stock Market Returns to Expect for the Future? Boston, Mass.: Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.

International Monetary Fund. 1998. World Economic Outlook, December 1998. Washington, D.C.: IMF.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:47 am 
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Very impressive Post, Brother Pidd, which causes me to deeply revise my opinion of you favorably. Admittedly, the CBO's current figures on the deficit effects of the current health care plan were massaged by making erroneous/ optimistic projections of total cost savings to bring it under the "trigger number" of $1Trillion. See, I can be reasonable--if the other side can be reasonable that profound change is necessary. That figure of 45 Million Americans not currently covered by any health insurance plan just will NOT go away absent some kind of planning/action. Medicaid isn't the answer nor is relying on ERs as primary care, as is the current practice. Both Health care plans and hospital/hospital chains especially are being squeezed on costs (an Illinois Court has just decided that a not-for-profit chain wasn't accepting enough indigents and was ultra-aggressive in pursuing claims against patients, and thus is due to pay property taxes of <$9 Million, and hospital chains nationwide are asking health plans to pay double-digit increases in reimbursements--the health plans while resisting this are also asking for double-digit [up to 50%] increases in rates.) This system system-wide is unsustainable and something other than just letting some phantom market forces work its alleged magic, has to be done. Sooner is better than later, with our aging population.
Anything that is said about unelected, unreachable Federal bureaucrats making decisions can be doubled or tripled when it comes to low-level flunkies in health insurance companies; at least the Constituent Services folks in a Congressman's office can reach and influence a Fed--not so with the private sector.
One last thing--research how many states in essence have one company monopolizing health insurance coverage--Alabama for example has one company writing 90+% of the coverage--even FEHB participants ( Federal/Postal workers) have only that one choice. How's that different from having the Feds run/oversee a plan? At lower cost and with more options?
Also research what percent of personal bankruptcies are caused by catastrophic health crises (it's not huge--it's the majority). Tell me what price freedom when you nee a triple bypass or total hip surgery, knowing that getting it done will consign you to poverty with a huge debt forever. This is not a single case or apocryphal evidence--it happens time after time after time. And then who are you going to depend on to pay the bill?--The Federal Government, that's who. Let's don't even get into organ donation...
Those who are opposed to some kind of Federal Health Care Plan (not necessarily this one) are in essence socializing risk and privatizing profit, not unlike the Wall Street banks albeit on a smaller scale. "I don't need to pay into a health care plan but if I need one, I need others to pay for it." How repugnant.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:39 am 
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If the administrator won't can somebody take charge and delete this thread please. This is all total nonsence and has nothing to do with the purpose of this board or web site.



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:44 am 
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Pidd wrote:
Another History Lesson...Flashback to March 30, 2001

..... have we learned anything ? :roll:

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http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/i ... efs_ib154/

March 30, 2001 Issue Brief #154
For a printer-friendly version of this report, download an Acrobat PDF version of this paper.

BUSH'S FUZZY SURPLUSES
Tax cuts based on CBO's 10-year predictions are a gamble the economy can't risk

by Christian E. Weller

Relying on a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projection of a $5.6 trillion budget surplus, President Bush has proposed an aggressive $1.6 trillion tax cut as if the surplus had already filled the treasury's coffers. The CBO projections, though, are problematic because they are just that - rough guesses of what will happen in a hard-to-know future. The consequences of the tax cuts, on the other hand, are not at all uncertain. Such cuts are permanent changes in the tax code and mean permanent reductions in government revenue.

Budget projections are an art, not a science. The projections of a $3.1 trillion on-budget surplus over the next 10 years reflect a good faith estimate by CBO of what the world may look like. But, as is true of all predictions, CBO's contain a large amount of guesswork. Enacting permanent tax changes that will have the largest effect on the federal budget five to 10 years into the future, and that are based on uncertain predictions, is bad policy.
The CBO projections are risky for several reasons:

•Nobody knows the future. While it is reasonable to expect that future economic outcomes will reflect historic patterns, some of the crucial variables in projecting future outcomes for budget surpluses have widely fluctuated from one decade to another. Moreover, the degree of variability of CBO's forecast grows larger the further into the future CBO attempts to project. CBO acknowledges that the forecasts five to 10 years out, when most of the proposed tax cuts would occur, are less likely to become reality than the forecasts for a single year into the future.


•Rather than relying solely on historic averages to make assessments about future outcomes, CBO occasionally attempts to predict the future. For example, it assumes that the current slowdown will not turn into a recession. But CBO really doesn't know if a recession is imminent or not. Under a different scenario - say, one that resembled the pattern of the 1990s of recession, slow growth, and then fast growth - the predicted surplus could be $1 trillion lower than predicted. Even more troubling is CBO's attempt to predict what will happen in the stock market: it implicitly assumes that stock prices will return to the high levels they attained before the recent correction.


•CBO does not have a well-established, time-tested history for making such projections, having issued such reports only since 1981. There just isn't enough statistical history to judge the probable accuracy of the CBO forecasts.
Uncertainty of 10-year outcomes
Forecasting economic outcomes depends on simplified assumptions that may or may not come true. Like a weather forecast, CBO's projections are valuable as rough guidelines for what the immediate future may look like, but they become increasingly unreliable in the long run.

One important assumption in the CBO projections illustrates the risks. CBO assumes that GDP growth will average 3.0% over the next 10 years. This is not widely off the mark when compared to long-term experience, but since 1959 the actual average growth rates over any 10-year period have fluctuated between a low of 1.95% (1973-83) and a high of 4.4% (1963-73). Given these historical fluctuations, growth may very well be below the assumed 3.0%. In fact, there is a nearly one-in-two chance that growth will average only 2.7%, instead of 3.0%, over the next 10 years.

With slower average growth, the surplus would also become significantly smaller. CBO estimates that with each drop in average growth of 0.1 percentage points, the cumulative surplus will be $245 billion lower. Consequently, average growth of 2.7% for the next 10 years means more than $700 billion less in surpluses.

Crystal ball forecasts for the stock market, the economy, and innovation
CBO's forecasts do not rely solely on past averages in predicting the future. Instead, the CBO has decided that some specific events will be more likely to occur than others. For instance, it predicts that the productivity boom of the last five years that resulted from increased investment in software and computers is a permanent addition to the economy. Also, it anticipates that today's economic slowdown will not turn into an all-out recession. And, finally, CBO forecasts that stock market growth will slow and then accelerate in the second half of the 10-year prediction period.

Other economic assumptions about inflation, unemployment, and growth depend crucially on the continuation of the productivity boom, which is largely based on investment in computers. However, by all accounts, it is too early to tell whether the so-called "new economy" has brought long-lasting, strong productivity growth of 2.7% in the non-farm business sector. If labor productivity amounts to only 2.2% (the average growth since the last business-cycle peak in the third quarter of 1990), GDP growth would amount only to 2.5% for the next 10 years1 and the surpluses would be roughly $1.2 trillion lower.

In addition, CBO admits that "[a] major risk to CBO's short-term forecast is that consumers and businesses will curtail their spending much more than CBO assumes, leading to a recession this year" (CBO 2001a). But CBO does not include this possibility among its assumptions. Instead, it projects that the economy will grow by 2.4% in 2001 and, after regaining steam, by 3.4% in 2002. Yet, if a recession or a prolonged slowdown does occur, CBO's surplus projections will prove to be overly optimistic.

One factor that would mitigate a worse-than-projected slowdown is income growth. CBO argues that low unemployment and continuous real wage growth will help the U.S. economy regain its footing. So to compensate for tighter credit standards and the loss of the wealth effect, wage growth will have to accelerate (or unemployment will have to fall further). Quarterly real wage growth, though, for all wage and salaried workers is already slowing, from a high of above 2.0% during 1998 and most of 1999 to 1.8% in 2000.

With real wage growth slowly falling, there is a good chance that real GDP growth will be lower than CBO predicts. To determine what this means for the surplus, assume that GDP grows at 2.0% for the next five years, and then grows at 3.3% (the average for all five-year periods) for the second five years (2006-11).2 GDP growth for the next 10 years would then average 2.6% instead of the 3.0% that CBO assumes, implying a loss of about $1 trillion in projected surpluses.

The CBO projections also rely on a forecast of stock market performance for the next 10 years, which is obviously an extremely difficult prediction to make. It assumes realized capital gains (the difference between the purchase price and the sales price of an asset) of more than 4.0% of GDP between 2002 and 2011, an average considerably higher than the 3.0% of GDP experienced between 1954 and 2000.

Realized capital gains rise and fall with the stock market.3 And so CBO's assumption that realized capital gains will rise again between 2006 and 2011 means that it is predicting the stock market's performance during that period.

CBO's stock market predictions seem optimistic. By all accounts, the stock market was overvalued in the late 1990s (Baker 1996; Diamond 1999; IMF 1998). Consequently, the decline in the stock market in 2000 and 2001 seems to be a long-awaited correction. The market value of all outstanding shares declined by 12.3%-or $2.4 trillion-from the end of 1999 to the end of 2000. For the household sector, which pays most of the capital gains taxes, equity holdings fell by 24.8% during the same period. For realized capital gains to regain levels close to those of previous years, CBO has to assume that the stock market will grow at above-average rates again. It seems at least as reasonable to assume that the stock market will grow at average historic rates, in which case capital gains realizations will also be at average historic levels relative to GDP-that is, 3.0% rather than the more than 4.0% of GDP that CBO assumes. Consequently, total tax revenues would be about $311 billion lower than projected.

Limited experience with economic forecasts
Economic forecasts, such as the CBO projections, serve a useful purpose. They give policy makers a rough indication of how an economy would react to changes in the underlying economic fundamentals. They cannot, however, be relied on as exact predictions of what the future will look like.

To account for the uncertainty associated with a specific projection, forecasters also give policy makers a worst-case and a best-case scenario. Hence, CBO shows a pessimistic and an optimistic scenario in addition to its main, or baseline, projection. Under the pessimistic scenario, for instance, the federal budget would show a deficit as early as 2004, and the total on-budget deficit would amount to $525 billion by 2011.

CBO also provides an indication of which scenarios are more likely to occur than others. According to its report, there is a 50% chance that the economy will do as well as the baseline scenario or even better. But there is also a 50% chance that reality will be worse than the baseline scenario.

While attaching probabilities to an outcome gives them an air of scientific solidity, this is misleading. To know how well it does in predicting the future, CBO itself compares its past projections with actual outcomes. Since 1981, CBO has made 19 one-year predictions and 14 five-year predictions. From these comparisons, CBO calculates how much it has been off on average.

There is one technical problem with this calculation, however. In using this prediction-error analysis to calculate the chance of being wrong in the future, CBO makes some simplifying assumptions about the probability distribution of its past forecasts. Most importantly, CBO assumes that the error in the forecast does not necessarily grow as the timeline of the forecast is extended. Or, as CBO itself asserts, "the estimated uncertainty of CBO's five-year-ahead projection errors would be considerably larger than reported here" if the error in forecasting would grow with the projection horizon (2001b). When it comes to 10-year forecasts, the CBO's experience yields only nine comparisons, which is too few, by its own account, to provide any useful basis for predicting the accuracy of its 10-year projections.
Given this limited experience, CBO's conclusions about the accuracy of its own forecasts is suspect. In fact, history shows that CBO has consistently overestimated surpluses or underestimated deficits. The chance that the actual surpluses will be less than CBO's baseline scenario may well be greater than 50%.
Conclusion
In the end, budget projections are only well-educated guesses about what the economy may look like under one set of simplified assumptions. Since the budget surpluses forecast in this way may or may not materialize, to treat these surpluses as if they were real and allocate them almost entirely to permanent tax cuts is irresponsible. And since the uncertainty of the budget surpluses grows the further into the future they are projected, a proposal that back ends the biggest cuts seems even more questionable.

Instead, policy makers should focus on the most pressing needs and allocate what can be reasonably assumed to be available within the next few years. Thus, responsible budget policy allows for a temporary tax cut or increases in public spending to stimulate the economy, but not for a permanent reduction in tax revenue.

Technical notes
A simple regression model reveals that realized capital gains are determined by the contemporaneous equity holdings by households. (Capital gains realizations are not significantly determined by lagged values of stock market valuation, which have consequently been deleted. Results, though, are available from the author.) To check the sensitivity of capital gains relative to equity holdings, the log natural value of capital gains were regressed on the contemporaneous log natural of household equity holdings. The results are as follows:



where Capital Gains are the total realized capital gains, and Equity is the direct equity holdings by households at the end of each period. The standard deviations of the parameters are in brackets. The regression results indicate that a 1% increase in household equity holdings results in a 1.2% increase in realized capital gains.

Endnotes
1. The fact that GDP growth is substantially lower with the same productivity growth as during the 1990s results from CBO's assumption that unemployment will rise to an average of 5.0% during the next 10 years. [Return to text]

2. There is no reason to believe that five years of weak growth are more likely to be followed by five years of strong growth. We calculate first the deviation of each five-year average growth from the overall average for all five-year periods. Then we calculate the correlation coefficient for the deviation of any given five-year period with that of the subsequent five-year period. The correlation coefficient is negative, but rather low with -0.35. [Return to text]

3. See the technical notes section for further details. [Return to text]

References
Baker, Dean. 1997. Saving Social Security With Stocks: The Promises Don't Add Up. New York: Twentieth Century Fund.

CBO. 2001a. The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2002-2011. Washington, D.C.: CBO.

CBO. 2001b. Uncertainties in Projecting Budget Surpluses: A Discussion of Data and Methods. Washington, D.C.: CBO.

Diamond, Peter. 1999. What Stock Market Returns to Expect for the Future? Boston, Mass.: Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.

International Monetary Fund. 1998. World Economic Outlook, December 1998. Washington, D.C.: IMF.

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All very nice but you left out a couple of thimgs:

One bushes tax cuts were not paid for therefore it added 1.7 trillion bucks to the national debt. And BTW for all you history buffs, when Clinton left office there was a surplus and we were not borrowing a dime

Second Obama is actually doing the responsible thing like paying for the health care bill that will become law this week

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:05 am 
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Damn....you "gents" are on a roll.

NYG, you and me need to take Trip shit out to the woodshed.



No need we have not heard from him since I asked why he needs back up to confront me if I am a coward?

I am just as guity in starting shit though. I know I offended some folks with the PM's I sent and I am sorry :oops:

Circus my friend and you are my friend not like when a Republicans calls a democrat his or here friend or vise versa. I hope that you stay to your takes because this country is at its best when both sides are in a spirited constructive debate. President Nixon once said and President Clinton restated, that all Presidents try to get what they campaign on in that first term. Only what is going on in the country and the world dictate if the can or not. And Obama won by 9.5 million votes. He is trying to do what the majority of people in this country want. You cannot deny that fact. NONE OF YOU CAN

And one other thing I know that Obama who ran on bringing the country together is pissed off as he can be that he has this huge problem facing the nation. Both sides agree on that. And after over a year of debate, where both sides have made arguments, won and lost some. All the best ideas from both sides are in the bill. Not one Republican will vote for it. Are you kidding me? Is the racism in this country that bad were its better to destroy a President than work with him.

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of course now the race card gets played. :roll:
you can attempt to justify it anyway you want. but its quite simple.
in this country we VOTE. the people have spoken loudly and this administration is ramming through this legislation regardless because it deems it necessary at all costs. i think every thinking person wants something done about health care but to just pass this bill without consideration to our constitution is an obamanation.
and to blame it on racism is as lame as it gets. kind of hard when a black man was actually elected to the most powerful office in the world. i now join the sidelines. go ahead and stink up the thread some more

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:28 am 
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Not one Republican will vote for it. Are you kidding me? Is the racism in this country that bad were its better to destroy a President than work with him. NYG
Really NYG, are you that ignorant or just have nothing intelligent left to say?

Here's one doctor that disagrees with some points to ponder-
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The latest version of ObamaCare is troubling on many fronts. ObamaCare takes control of every American’s health care life. This plan would not improve the current system, and is fatally flawed because it:
•Rations and denies access to healthcare. Denying access to healthcare is the most inhumane and unethical means of cutting costs;
•Costs $1 TRILLION ( $100 Billion more than The Senate Bill) ;
•Creates over 110 Federal Agencies, commissions and boards;
•Creates The Health Insurance Rate Authority….a direct violation of States’ Rights;
•Establishes a “ Comprehensive Database” on Americans;
•Establishes Individual and Employer Mandates (Mr. Obama’s own Chair of Council of Economic Advisors has stated that this alone would cost 5.5 Million jobs….more unemployment.);
•Institutes $748 Billion in new taxes;
•Cuts Medicare by $500 Billion, over a period when 30% MORE Americans will be added to Medicare rolls, (You do the math…);
•Imposes $136 Billion in tax hikes on working families making LESS THAN $250,000 (Americans for Tax Reform Analysis);
•Ends Medicare Advantage Program for Seniors and forces them to a more expensive plan with less benefits;
•Applies Medicare Tax to unearned income;
•Increases Medicare Payroll Tax from 2.95 to 3.8%; and
•Increases unfunded mandates on every State.
•Increases Capital Gains tax rate as of 2014 to 23.8%
•Creates 16,000 jobs for the IRS to implement penalties for those not buying insurance

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of course now the race card gets played. :roll:
you can attempt to justify it anyway you want. but its quite simple.
in this country we VOTE. the people have spoken loudly and this administration is ramming through this legislation regardless because it deems it necessary at all costs. i think every thinking person wants something done about health care but to just pass this bill without consideration to our constitution is an obamanation.
and to blame it on racism is as lame as it gets. kind of hard when a black man was actually elected to the most powerful office in the world. i now join the sidelines. go ahead and stink up the thread some more


My man We did vote and he won by 9.5 million :roll:

Also I was not playing the race card (at least I did not mean too) but when you see the defaced images of the president to look like Hitler or the joker and people (Tea) people calling black members of congress yesterday the N word. Spitting on one the members and calling gay members of congress other names yesterday the people you may be with are sure playing the race card :evil:

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NYG wrote:
Not one Republican will vote for it. Are you kidding me? Is the racism in this country that bad were its better to destroy a President than work with him. NYG
Really NYG, are you that ignorant or just have nothing intelligent left to say?

Here's one doctor that disagrees with some points to ponder-
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The latest version of ObamaCare is troubling on many fronts. ObamaCare takes control of every American’s health care life. This plan would not improve the current system, and is fatally flawed because it:
•Rations and denies access to healthcare. Denying access to healthcare is the most inhumane and unethical means of cutting costs;
•Costs $1 TRILLION ( $100 Billion more than The Senate Bill) ;
•Creates over 110 Federal Agencies, commissions and boards;
•Creates The Health Insurance Rate Authority….a direct violation of States’ Rights;
•Establishes a “ Comprehensive Database” on Americans;
•Establishes Individual and Employer Mandates (Mr. Obama’s own Chair of Council of Economic Advisors has stated that this alone would cost 5.5 Million jobs….more unemployment.);
•Institutes $748 Billion in new taxes;
•Cuts Medicare by $500 Billion, over a period when 30% MORE Americans will be added to Medicare rolls, (You do the math…);
•Imposes $136 Billion in tax hikes on working families making LESS THAN $250,000 (Americans for Tax Reform Analysis);
•Ends Medicare Advantage Program for Seniors and forces them to a more expensive plan with less benefits;
•Applies Medicare Tax to unearned income;
•Increases Medicare Payroll Tax from 2.95 to 3.8%; and
•Increases unfunded mandates on every State.
•Increases Capital Gains tax rate as of 2014 to 23.8%
•Creates 16,000 jobs for the IRS to implement penalties for those not buying insurance


Is the current system perfect in your opinion :?:

And I have said this bill is not perfect PL but we need something for the little folks in the country and all the working folks that are being killed by health care cost. If you have a better way lets hear it mi amigo 8)

Also that medicare cut is from cutting out the middle man. I file Medicare cliams with Cigna here in my state and Cigna makes a killing by doing the paperwork. If that step is eliminated we can all save money 8)

You also forgot to mention that the donut hole that many senoirs have to deal with buying drugs will be eliminated overtime. And that will save money. And the fact that once this bill is law the deal that Obama cut with the Drug compnies to lower cost way back when will start day one. (It was cut I believe to keep canadian drug compines from selling drugs here) Something that Obama ran on and has went back on).

See Circus I will call him out too :lol: :lol: :lol:

Since the vote is today I will leave you with the great words of Congressman Anthony Weiner Democrat NY said on the house floor last week:

"The Republican Party is a holy subsidiary of the Insurance Company. There are 45 million people in this nation that have no health insurance. They are people on this side of the chamber for the most part that want to do something about it and those on there side that don’t. And even though they will not help we will pass health care reform. DEAL WITH IT"!!!

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NYG wrote:
Also I was not playing the race card (at least I did not mean too) but when you see the defaced images of the president to look like Hitler or the joker and people (Tea) people calling black members of congress yesterday the N word. Spitting on one the members and calling gay members of congress other names yesterday the people you may be with are sure playing the race card :evil:
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Just read that there were Liberal Democrat ''plants"" at the Tea Party Protest using those racial slurs... Who knows but it sure sounds like good ole Chicago race-based politics. :lol:

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And I have said this bill is not perfect PL but we need something for the little folks in the country and all the working folks that are being killed by health care cost. If you have a better way lets hear it mi amigo
I'm for the free market plan, you know how us crazy capitalists are. :wink:

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Since this topic will not die, here is something interesting from Inside Costa Rica:

http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2010/march/21/costarica10032106.htm

It is written by and American in Costa Rica who works in medical tourism. I don't expect it to change any minds but I thought I'd bring it to the attention of those interested.

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Very on-point article, Brother Bilko. Thanks for sharing.

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what a shame. historic but still a shame. might as well just burn the constitution literally. Phuck

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