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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:19 pm 
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......I realized it's a waste of time. I have strong opinions on this but I just don''t want to waste my time discussing online.
yea, you're right. If you win an arugment on the internet, it's like winning a gold medal in the special olympics, you're still a..... ah never mind.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:37 pm 
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As a matter of interest, which "culture and language " should the Federals be defending? And against what? Just wondering...because neither is a static thing, unlike, say, our borders (just the location, not the porosity).

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:31 am 
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Yes thats how we got this current administration. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:33 am 
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OFT Post subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh Moving to Costa Rica??Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:25 pm


Location: Houston So, Obama care requires, by law, that every American buy health insurance. Not an option, it will be a law. Surely constitutional scholars can shoot holes in this. I guess not, or holes would have been shot through Medicare which I pay for under duress by the Fed. Govt.

Under Obama care you will not be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. If you choose not to buy health insurance you are breaking the law and you will pay a fine. Will the fine cost less than paying for the Government Health Insurance premium? Will they eventually put citizens in jail for choosing not to buy insurance?

If the fine is a less than half the cost of Govt. Insurance premium and you will not be denied coverage for a preexisting condition, why not roll the dice and not participate and just pay the fine. Then, if you should be unfortunate enought to develop a grave (expensive) illness, THEN sign up for insurance. Seems like a no brainer on my balance sheet. Wait until you are sick before you buy insurance. This is kind of like buying collision car insurance AFTER the car wreck.

It saddens me that my freedoms continue to erode. Government wants more and more to control my life and limit my choices and sink us into mediocre at best
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I do not lean left or right. I don’t trust the federal government….. Right, Left, Middle, Up or Down.

The Federal Government needs to focus of defending our border(s), culture and language.

Thank God for our military, I give them credit for doing something well and that is defending this Country and they do OK in building roads. Other than that, can someone tell what the Federal Government does well? Anything? Do we really think they are going to administer and run health care well? Shit this is a depressing thought.

The incentive of profit and the drive to win over one’s competition to gain greater profits delivers a better system than a corrupt bunch of politicians.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.



Brother OFT....
Great post & perspective...
... bottom line...
..........this an economic issue and sooner or later people will figure that out.

....Next !

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:09 am 
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President Pelosi and Comrade Obama are hell bent using trickery and deciet to get their way. As of today the Pres. approval rating hits a new all time low "44% Strongly Disapprove" (worse than Bush's 43%) giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cking_poll
Yes health care needs fixing but is this really the way, 2700 pages that that nobody can possibly read by tomorrow?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:52 am 
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ID, you decide to call me out and insinuate that I created a “nasty turn in a civilized discussion”. You are saying that ALL OF A SUDDEN this JUST NOW got nasty?

The banter with NYG and FFF was AOK?



Guess you missed this part of the post. "takes a very nasty turn that violates a number of CRT posting rules "

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Tell me what is not true in what I said.


"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

Even you should be able to see that you classified millions of intelligent people as stupid because they chose a candidate other then the one you seem to have preferred. That does not make them stupid it means that made a decision that was opposite of millions of others. So as long as you are slinging labels around you could brand either group with your description and be wrong twice.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:36 pm 
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"Approval rating" is not the same as "effectiveness rating" which can only be measured in hindsight. What do you think Lincoln's approval ratings were during the Civil War, especially in suspending large parts of the Constitution (suspending habeas corpus, etc.)? How effective was it for Roosevelt to herd together and incarcerate Japanese-Americans in WWII? Catch my drift? We elect leaders to make tough choices.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:41 pm 
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You chose to read into and generalize my comment as an indictment toward EVRYONE that voted for Obama. That is arrogant and presumptuous. Your comment appears to imply that the millions of voters who voted for Obama were all intelligent and everyone who didn’t as stupid.

A definition of Stupid = 1 a : slow of mind : OBTUSE b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason.

If Obama care passes and becomes law, it will affect the overwhelming majority of the US voting public. Should we really expect this to be for the good of the citizenship? Do we really believe that the politicians will manage this better than the private sector? Right now the Senate Bill on health care is coming in at over 2070 pages. I do not for a moment believe that the vast majority of the legislators have read it and that their motives for voting for this legislation are driven by the well-being of the suffering masses.

Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the legislature is quoted as saying: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” This is an intelligent decision?

To me it appears that the Government wants greater control on the economy, our choices and ultimately gain greater control of our freedoms and behavior. Social engineering.

Is it possible that the legislature could one day add an amendment to the Health Care Act deeming a person should be denied medical coverage if one does not conform to a behavior the Government deems as inappropriate in terms of life style choices and freedoms? Could I be denied medical coverage because I occasionally choose to smoke a cigar and enjoy a glass of Scotch in my own back yard? Well, it could be characterized as risky behavior. Could they deny medical coverage if it is proved that a man entered the Hotel Del Rey where known prostitutes are known to congregate? Could this be characterized as risky behavior?

Do we really want to hand greater control of our freedom(s) over to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, Harry Reed, Barney Frank and that cast of characters?

Do the citizens of this country really want to move 16% of the economy from the private sector into the hands of the US Government? This is smart?

If nothing else we should have learned from 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina that those who expect government at any level to do anything efficiently, exceptional and more complex than garbage collection aren’t paying attention.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:02 pm 
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OFT wrote:
You chose to read into and generalize my comment as an indictment toward EVRYONE that voted for Obama. That is arrogant and presumptuous. Your comment appears to imply that the millions of voters who voted for Obama were all intelligent and everyone who didn’t as stupid.


I did nothing of the sort. I neither classified the entire group as intelligent or stupid. I simply pointed out that your comment could be and in fact was taken by one poster as indicating a group of "stupid people" were responsible for the election of the current President.

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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.


Rio4Me4Ever wrote:
Yes thats how we got this current administration. :roll: :roll: :roll:


And seeing how this thread is no longer involved in a civil discussion but has become not only ugly but more and more political I will join Texas&Vegas on the sidelines.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:47 pm 
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JazzboCR wrote:
"Approval rating" is not the same as "effectiveness rating" which can only be measured in hindsight. What do you think Lincoln's approval ratings were during the Civil War, especially in suspending large parts of the Constitution (suspending habeas corpus, etc.)? How effective was it for Roosevelt to herd together and incarcerate Japanese-Americans in WWII? Catch my drift? We elect leaders to make tough choices.


Interesting... Possibly more contempary to today was Roosevelt's attempt to stack the Supreme Court...

... Offered only as a historty lesson..

The Judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937, frequently called the court-packing plan,[1] was a legislative initiative to add more justices to the Supreme Court proposed by U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt shortly after his victory in the 1936 presidential election. Although the bill aimed generally to overhaul and modernize all of the federal court system, its central and most controversial provision would have granted the President power to appoint an additional Justice to the U.S. Supreme Court for every sitting member over the age of 70½, up to a maximum of six.

During Roosevelt's first term in office,[2] the Supreme Court had struck down several prominent New Deal measures intended to bolster economic recovery during the Great Depression, leading to charges from New Deal supporters that a narrow majority faction of the court was obstructionist and political. Since the U.S. Constitution does not limit the size of the Supreme Court, Roosevelt, having won an expanded electoral mandate in his reelection, sought to counter this entrenched opposition to his political agenda by expanding the number of justices to create a pro-New Deal majority on the bench.[3] Opponents viewed the legislation as an attempt to stack the court leading to the name "Court-packing Plan".[1]

The legislation was unveiled on February 5, 1937 and was the subject, a month later, of one of Roosevelt's Fireside chats, which the President had used with considerable success throughout his first term to muster public support for his legislative agenda.[4


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_ ... ll_of_1937



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A definition of Stupid = 1 a : slow of mind : OBTUSE b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason.


HEY... I'm StuPidd.. !!! Please..NO personal Attacks.. :lol: :wink: :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:51 pm 
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Damn....you "gents" are on a roll.

NYG, you and me need to take Trip shit out to the woodshed.

I had thought this thread would be finished by now. Hell, may as well stir up the pudding some more.
Are there any of you that doubt illegal aliens will be getting health care bestowed to them by the idiots in congress? Get ready to see your tax dinero go up drastically. Not only FICA, medicare tax and income tax but capitol gains taxes are in the mix. NTM all the other taxes that are part of this bill. Yep, you turkeys that want Obama care have no idea what little gems in those 2,700 plus pages are awaiting you.

Speaking of illegals, thought I would share some items revealed in the L.A. Times. Although with research, these figures do not apply to just Mexican....they apply to various illegal immigrants. Number one makes good sense to do away with the I.R.S. and go to the "Fair Tax."

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

And the last eight Presidents and their congresses failed to tackle the problem. This is just California but it is very similar in other border states as well. Hell, even my old farmland home of Moultrie, GA. is besieged by illegal aliens.

But rest assured, Obama and congress will be taking good care of them with your taxes. The legislation is already being prepared now and is on the door step awaiting the passage of Obama care. I won't even go into the "Cap and Trade." It's depressing enough with the current ramblings going on with congress.......with an approval rating of approx. 15%.

And BTW, just wait until the government attempts to take over your I.R.A. and other retirement plans while promising to pay you a certain percent. There is a few trillion $ in these accounts and the a certain party in congress that is licking their chops at stealing it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:49 pm 
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har har...the residents are just the first teir in caja medical registration and appropriation...the plan is to eventually charge medical tourists a year of a percentage of their income verified by the documentation in their mandatory "conditional residency" criteria necessary for access to "any" costa rican facility public or private...when most ticos get sick ..they just borrow enough to go buy "a little insurance" to get the necessary nose under the tent... :lol: :lol: :lol:residents using and or being charged for caja will still be assessed an additional percentage for "any" private treatment or consultation ...welcome to another exemplary course in buttfucking the "old gringo" at Shithole Polydrek :shock:


I wrote earlier today "And seeing how this thread is no longer involved in a civil discussion but has become not only ugly but more and more political I will join Texas&Vegas on the sidelines.". I believe answering Greengo does not violate that statement because his post has nothing to do with the subject being discussed which is health care in the U.S. not in C.R.

Greengo I challenge you to back up one single thing you said in that post. Medical tourists do not have to verify their income as part of their "conditional residency" because no such classification exists. There is no requirement for a foreigner to produce any "conditional residency" documentation to be treated at a private hospital. I have used Hospital CIMA, Clinica Biblica and will use Hospital La Catolic later this month or early April. The only thing they want to see is my credit card or cash. They also did not add any fees for the CAJA and neither did the CAJA, of which I am a member and have been for 5 years, ask me for additional payment because I availed myself of the facilities of a private hospital. Those are FACTS my friend not the ramblings of a cluttered mind.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:59 pm 
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If the administrator won't can somebody take charge and delete this thread please. This is all total nonsence and has nothing to do with the purpose of this board or web site.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:09 pm 
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If the administrator won't can somebody take charge and delete this thread please. This is all total nonsence and has nothing to do with the purpose of this board or web site.

I'm afraid this is not "total nonsence" this topic is very important to the future of our country as we know it.
IMHO most of the members are civil in their discussions here and have good information.
If you are bothered by this thread simply pass it by.
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There is nothing civil about these discussions and there are other boards to spew this crap. This board has a purpose. This is about my vacations. Keep politics out of it.


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