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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:32 am 
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As for smoking at the airport, I ask three police officers there last night, one of whom smoked, where you have to go to smoke legally. They said out in front of the airport on the street but not too close to the bus stops. No more outside the airport exits and no more near the parking garage. Met the smoking policeman on the street in front and he confirmed even he has to go to the road to smoke.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:51 pm 
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osterizing the smoker

Back where I'm from (any of the "wheres"), osterizing meant putting in a blender and letting it rip.
http://www.householdappliance.com/oster.html
Perhaps you meant the act of socially and/or professionally casting someone else into the darkness, i.e. ostracizing http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ostracize << be careful--definition #2 might bite you in the tuchis

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:59 am 
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HLH is being careful. Went into the cigar room and started to light up a cigarette and was told only cigars in the cigar room, still have to go outside to smoke a cigarette.

Even at the airport today, I was standing away from the parking garage, a good 50 feet from anyone in open air and was still ask to put out my cigarette...

If you had the kind of money invested in a place of business here as do Bill and Boyd for example, would you risk it??



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The cigar room at HLH is cigar only by Bruce's choice. That has nothiing to do with the law. Reality in Costa Rica is we have no idea on how they are going to enforce it. I sat parameters for HLH that I think balance the risk and my customer's needs,



Not all that uncommon - many cigar shops/lounges, especially those that have their inventory out on display don't want cig's b/c of the chemicals and additives contained that can contaminate cigars.....

In the case of HLH, if Bruce allowed cigarette smokers, there would be no room for the guys smoking cigars, plus - and I'm no phoney; I wish all smokers could be accomadated, along with non - but cigars are a natural product - ah, WTF......most people don't smoke, and majority rules; we get it - but what is dumb:

Telling a guy he can't smoke 50 phucking feet, outside, near an airport parking garage :shock: :roll:

(I hope no one is surprised that we are likely to enter the "Stupid Season" re this law - looks like its going waaaay too far the wrong way - from my perspective)

Lumping cigars and cigaretts together

Not allowing the business owner to regulate what goes on in his own business

I promised myself that I would not comment further on this subject but.....I love cigars, Costa Rica, and freedom to not deal with some of the restrictions and life hassles we face in the USA - I'm leaving for a week in Granada Nigararua tomorrow night - wonder if they have the same smoking policies....... (its a big cigar producer, so who knows)



I hear ya Bro. I want so much to just stop posting just like I know ignoring whats his face is the best way to make him leave. But I can't I have more $ in cigars than most have in cars expensive cars. Even though I probably have much less money than most on this board I have been accumulating for almost 20 years. I am happy to see Bruce is not allowing cig in the lounge non cigars guy's will never get the reason we enjoy cigars, much like the guy who sips a 20 year old scotch with enjoyment. It's a passion for me and the stupid comments comparing cigars to cigs or the attempts to create additional revenue from us because their cig revenue is drying up is nuts and making me downright angry.

BTW Bro I just scored 7 years of the Opus x charity 22 coffin sets and the Lost city humidor with 50 still sealed cigars and I got them at less than half price. I also picked up another 30 odd boxes mostly Cohibas including six boxes of Behikes.

Okay just rambling okay maybe bragging a bit but not in a snotty way :) and still kinda excited so thought I would both bitch and share my new acquisitions with ya brother!

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:31 am 
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According to an article in Diario Extra the full set of regulation implementing the no smoking legislation will be released on May 21.

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Smoking REGULATION IS FOR JUNE 26
Krissia MORRIS / SANDRA LAMB
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As of yesterday the price of cigarettes increased by ¢ 20 and ¢ 400 unit package, so consumers should pay ¢ 1,300 per pack.

Deputy Health Minister, Sisi Castillo said the smoking regulations will be ready for President of the Republic, Laura Chinchilla to sign on 26 June.

On this, the official said on 10 May, groups of several ministries will meet to finalize some outstanding issues that are expected to be ready by May 21, the day will be posted on the website of the Ministry of Health, for public consultation will start the last 10 days, which will extend to May 31.

"Companies and individuals may make any observations and recommendations and should be handle be incorporated into the final regulation. If all goes well, the June 26 President of the Republic, will have to sign the document, "he said Castillo.

He argued that expected an avalanche of comments that said Castillo went to a legal team that is responsible for addressing each of the recommendations.

On 26 March preceding the smoking ban was published and was within the Ministry of Health to adopt regulations to operationalize the legal framework that seeks to regulate smoking.


Those who have the habit of smoking should pay ¢ 400 more per pack, that under Article 22 of Law No. 9028 in which it is stated that each cigarette cost 20 ¢ more.

The new "tax products Snuff" taxed cigarettes, cigars, cigarette, cigar or any derivative of snuff. So if you normally pay ¢ 900 now with the increase shall take ¢ 1300.

This increase is made with the intention that smokers control their addiction and avoid the many diseases caused by this defect, which causes thousands of people worldwide die.

It also prohibits cigarettes are sold loose or in retail packs containing fewer than 20 cigarettes, and the use of vending machines.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:42 pm 
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Bought cigs today...price went up 400 colone per pack. At the grocery story, a pack was 900 and now it is 1300 a pack so a bit over $2.50 per pack.

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Here are the folks who really have a horse in this race: http://www.pmi.com/marketpages/pages/market_en_cr.aspx

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:02 pm 
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Article from Diario Extra about tourists being upset over the totality of the no smoking legislation. What I find interesting is the confusion about where you can smoke and where you cannot. It would seem no one knows the answer to that until, and maybe not even then, the complete set of regulations are published.

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TOURISM LAW AGAINST SMOKING suffers
Maria Siu Spears
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The new law against smoking is annoying to many of the tourists, who have even mentioned the possibility of not returning home for the discomfort that causes them not being able to light a cigarette.

DAILY EXTRA knew of several hoteliers and shop owners, who demanded anonymity, they have received complaints of tourists from various destinations.

The Executive Director ai of the National Chamber of Tourism (Canatur), Jason Allen, said that foreigners have actually expressed surprise about the radicalism of the Act

"When visitors have previously been in this country is where there is any discomfort. So far it has been manageable, since the Act has been published; us as we try to encourage Chamber members adhere to it, in fact we are in a training process, the prohibition is absolute, common areas, gardens, rooms , parking ... "said Alvarado.

According to Canatur, employers are also awaiting the publication of the regulation to see operational issues, including how to handle the issue of sanctions, actions can be taken and other logistical issues.

Alvarado said some tourism companies have faced the Act enabling some street spaces for visitors to smoke. "It's difficult because for some hotels near the street is simple, but not for those who are more withdrawn, there are some aspects that are not as clear as the parking space is an annex and Guardian workplace, so we interpret that is within the restricted area, "he added.
WILL FIGHT restaurateurs

The president of the Costa Rican Chamber of Restaurants and Related (Title Co.), Manuel Burgos, said they are presented this month by management before the Constitutional Court, because they believe that the law is disproportionate.

"This is a very interesting case that is based on individual freedoms, remember that the Constitutional Court has already told people that things were badly done and sent back.

Burgos said that are not opposed to regulation, but the way in which they did. "It's the bottom what is wrong because on the road banned the sale of a legal product, there's a whole theme around which our lawyers have been handling," he said.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:13 pm 
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I find this law so amusing and vague.

Where to smoke...can it be on my patio.....on the hotel patio...next to the street...or in the street...outside the bar/ hotel...how many feet....at the airport with taxi cars/ vans/ buses spreading enormous exhaust fumes.... can I smoke next to them...hell no, you will be fined...where in the hell outside of this airport do I smoke without being fined.....Shit..all the lined up buses, limos and car's exhaust are negating my filtered cigarette smoke...not fair...Hail a taxi....please take me to an open air park... where in the open park can one smoke....sorry amigo, not here...drop me off at Avenue Central...oops...where at the intersection can one smoke while breathing the exhaust of buses/ taxi cabs...perhaps in the ally ways next to a business...whoops, I'm next to the food cafe wall...let me measure that....shit I will just walk it off....no, that's not right....I need a measuring tape....shit, I don't know just how far I really have to be....I'm so confused. I'm desperate....The smog in SJ slowly descends on the streets below capturing the nostrils of locals and travelers below.....I take two cigs and give the pack to a homeless young chico in a cardboard box on the sidewalk, along with some colones...I feel better now knowing that I have not violated any smoking laws......as I walked away...I wondered just how that chico on the sidewalk would be doing. Hopefully, he does not get busted for the smokes that I left him.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:01 am 
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Yo Circus:

"Where to smoke...can it be on my patio.....on the hotel patio...next to the street...or in the street...outside the bar/ hotel...how many feet....at the airport with taxi cars/ vans/ buses spreading enormous exhaust fumes.... can I smoke next to them...hell no, you will be fined...where in the hell outside of this airport do I smoke without being fined.....Shit..all the lined up buses, limos and car's exhaust are negating my filtered cigarette smoke...not fair."

I can't believe you are posting shit again. Pops...give it up. You need to crawl back into your cave. Don't you understand that the vast majority are tired of inhaling your second hand smoke. You retards are not welcome in CR or any other country that allows inconsiderate gringos to enter. This is a law that hopefully protects me, travelers and locals from your pollution of the environment. I understand the problem with vehicle exhaust fumes choking pedestrians but that is natural in an industrialized nation. I can cope with that....but I can't cope with your cig smoke.

The last time I saw you, you had that smoking Camel in your filthy lips at the biker bar on US 1. Not to mention with a fat tattoo slut by your side. She was smoking a cigar. Yuck, you retards have no clue as to how smoking is hazardous to all around you.

I just hope that you go belly up soon so me and mom can get the insurance money.

You are are a disgusting individual.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:20 am 
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DonCarlos wrote:

The article that you posted is quite clear, the prohibition is total and complete. There is no exception, which is the central complaint of the tourists mentioned in the article.


The only thing the article did was post the opinion of one individual:

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the prohibition is absolute, common areas, gardens, rooms , parking ... "said Alvarado.


he further stated:

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Alvarado said some tourism companies have faced the Act enabling some street spaces for visitors to smoke. "It's difficult because for some hotels near the street is simple, but not for those who are more withdrawn, there are some aspects that are not as clear as the parking space is an annex and Guardian workplace, so we interpret that is within the restricted area, "he added.

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I am still anxiously awaiting the word on whether this ban is specifically about combustion of tobacco or does it cover vaporizing the substance, which emits no smoke and thus is no public danger? Probably have to wait for the final rules or a court case for verification.

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I feel very worried about my rights..I want to put in exposed asbestos in my house, but I cannot. I have to have my car tuned so it does not emit too much pollution. I can't legally use cocaine. I have to have my K*ds vaccinated if they are going to attend school.

It is very simple- your rights stop where my rights start- it is the foundation of the rule of law.

Why do people feel it is their right to emit toxin's in public spaces of commerce? You can't go in waving a gun? You are not allowed to physically assault others- do these things make you feel as if your rights are violated? No, perhaps addiction might be a contributing factor in why this is so...

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Always a good lineup of chicas hugging the wall outside SL now when I head home after dinner. I think it may have even slowed down some of the chain smoking chicas a bit.


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Thirdworld wrote:
Always a good lineup of chicas hugging the wall outside SL now when I head home after dinner. I think it may have even slowed down some of the chain smoking chicas a bit.



They need the money- they will adjust their habits.

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