www.CostaRicaTicas.com

At this point I don't know if the majority of health care workers supports the unions stand.

Union endorsement does not automatically mean the rank and file majority support something.
I have been in a few unions and understand that possibility.
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NYG: I do not accept your statement as verification of overwhelming support by healthcare workers.
Are you trying to sandbag me?
Next time give me facts, not Obamas webpage.
For me to treat you as a fair minded debater you must play honest.
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AMA's Endorsement of House Health Care Bill Sparks Internal Uprising
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11 ... -uprising/
A few excerpts:
The American Medical Association's much-touted endorsement of the House health care reform bill has triggered a revolt among some members who want the endorsement withdrawn.

Some members are outraged that the group's trustees made the endorsement without the formal approval of the organization's House of Delegates.

On Monday, delegates will vote on a resolution offered by some members that, if approved, will withdraw the AMA’s endorsement of the bill.

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

11 pages of mostly civil banter and rants. hmmm is it possible that a political area in the sewer of crt could survive with self policing? seems a lot of guys like to share their opinions.

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im way deep into nothing special
riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of hollywood

AMEN ( I think I'm still allowed to say that) on the Civility on the Public forum.!

Unfortunately the PM's have been somewhat " Feo "

and so the story goes....

Peace

PIDD

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" The future's uncertain and the END is always near...."

As Irish Drifter pointed out, it is not reasonable to believe that forty-six percent of the doctors are going to leave the profession if the bill passes. What are they going to do, drive a taxi?

There may be a large number of physicians who are teetering on the decision whether or not to retire but that is a function of being members of the Boomer Generation and not legislation. Perhaps legislation could bump-up the retirement date some but it would not be the driving factor.

It is not sensible to believe that a near majority of medical professionals, who have sworn oath to first do no harm, who have dedicated their lives to medicine and service to humanity will leave their calling based on the passage of national legislation.

The Constitutional arguement proposed by the Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia may have merit but the idea the forty-six percent of physicians will abandon their life time of medicine is not credible.

I know, I know I'm breaking my vow but--which group of physicians would leave the profession (besides the obvious which Brother DiegoC covered)? The least paid, the GPs? Unlikely because they'd be least impacted--actually their salaries might rise. How about those Doctors in the highly-elective fields? Plastic surgeons doing nose jobs and tummy tucks? Those doctors doing bariatrics (stomach stapling, etc.)? Ophthalmologists doing primarily Lasik surgery? Infertility Doctors? Bingo. If it's not necessary to sustain life (NOT quality of life), it'll be under siege...as well it should be. The Indian Reservations and other under-served areas might actually benefit, especially if there were to be legislation saying to highly-qualified but foreign Doctors--Serve 5 years in an Inner City clinic or as a prison doctor, and we'll give you citizenship (assuming you otherwise pass our testing). There may be such programs now but they could stand expanding. If they are domestic, we'll pick up a large sliding-scale portion of you training expenses.
Doctors only started making big money once health-care plans (and thus 3rd party payers) became wide-spread--before that they were decidedly middle-income (a Buick but not a Cadillac)--try to think of any modern doctor being paid in chickens or a portion of the crop--laughable, yes? But that was true into my lifetime. And don't forget evidence-based medicine is a decidedly modern phenomenon highly resisted in some quarters (sorry Brother NYG but it's true).
And while we're at it, ban "detail men (and women)" from Doctor's offices--and Big Pharma's bogus "re-imbursement" plans based on # of scripts for a drug written...and Big Pharma paying generic drug makers to NOT make a legal generic and... The whole system is rotten from top to bottom. 80+% of the people of Alabama have no option but a United Health Care subsidiary, for example. The Government exchange plan would open that and many more near-monopoly markets up. The last thing a monopolist wants is free and unfettered competition, which is what the capitalists say they want. At least with the FEHB ( a Government-regulated open market), at least in NJ we get a choice--as anybody would under the proposed legislation. BOTTOM LINE: Americans get MORE freedom of choice (and probably less expense overall) with the proposed legislation...at least until the hunted take over the game (see SEC, recent history of: FDA, recent history of; Army Corps of Engineers, complete history of; Bureau of Land Management, complete history of; etc, etc.).

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

With respect Texas & Vegas, referencing Fox news as an unbiased information provider is equal to if not worse than NYG referencing the Whitehouse as an unbiased information provider.

The same info is posted many places.

Revolt at the American Medical Association over health care bill endorsement
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/ ... health-ca/

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

So you give me a fox news quote . The most racist news programs in the world. They have been trying to destroy this man since he said he would run. I thought you were better than those biggots on FOX!

NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

The Whitehouse has to put facts on the table or they will be held accountable. Are you drinking right now


NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

The Washington Times is fox news


Were going to wake up Monday with life going on. The bill will pass people with like it and it will decrease the deficit and hold insurance companies accountable. I predict that within the next 2 years a public option will be brought to the floor by the republicans and they see how health care populism will work for them to get re-elected.

NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

Let's make it simple NYG:
Do you deny the AMA is having a vote to recall the endorsement?

For the record: I am inclined against the bill, but open to persuasive arguments.
I am offended at the coverup you tried to pull.

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

Cover up Only a Fox news watcher uses a term like that. It was no cover up when Bush lied to the Nation about WMD in Iraq and sent so many of my Marine Corps bretheran to die for nothing. Lied to poor General Powell about it as well. Fox watchers are the most insecure people on earth. They buy that the Pres was not born here, there are death panels and this is only white peoples country. I thought I was debating a rational view. I was mistaken

Also I have heard of no vote, when is it? I just went to the website and it seems to be touting the bill that was reliezed yesrterday as a positive step. There is no membership that large that will have one solitary position for all. That is unrealistic.

NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

Why yes I am enjoying a delicious cup of green tea, sir.

Perhaps you might want to reconsider that last comment Doc.

In the meantime, I think I'll have another. Health care after all starts with a personal wellness program including diet and exercise.

BTW, which Whitehouse are you referencing above putting the facts on the table or ... accountable, Mr. Obama's or Mr. Bush's? I am confused. You seem to pick and choose "facts" that work for you.

Meanwhile, you issue a personal attack with a below the belt shot "are you drinking right now" which was a cheap mean spirited comment without bearing. You lost cred doc. Gosh, you are sounding a lot like Fox News now.

I am glad of losing your trust and pray we never meet

NYG

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Damm that water is cold!!!
And deep too!!!

Doc you are batting two for two cause you have and we won't.