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Ruff, I agree with you it is not cool.

I am just trying to make us think about the whole game in general. Two wrongs don't make a right but just adds more seeds to an all ready seedy situation. And we can lead by example which we probably should but one could pick at all of us for even being in this game. Just making us think about things when we start pointing fingers. All good points too me & good you posted this.



I don't believe it is a small batch. I think most don't get caught or get a chance because most guys are street wise here. Almost all will send out their SOS or RFM (request for money) & don't believe they were starving to begin with in the first place most are just taking the easy way out & trying to use or deceive you or whom ever they come in contact with. This is a form of stealing too me since they know old men are effected by sob stories. I don't want to argue at all & think this guy was wrong no doubt at least in my seedy old book. But I am just stating some things I believe to be true. The whole game is one of a non trusting nature & think that is obvious. I think you have a better opinion of these Latinas than I not that mine is bad but I have been around this game in CR longer give it more time.

As far as the true natives go that are not selling themselves & trying to manipulate us they are the best people I have ever met.
I try not to degrade, dehumanize or demonize these Latinas since we are no better but I try to be as real as I can to not get caught up in all the BS either. I really do like them & many are naive to say the least & it is disgusting to me some one would do this with evil intentions. We don't need it since it is a bad reflection on us all but wanted to be honest about the whole game not putting us in the best light in many people’s eyes. Would we tell our next of kin we are proud to play in the gulch? In general just be good & good things happen.

Hey Ruff old buddy gotch ya going early with my post hope you didn't cough up your corn flakes when you read it. Just being the seedy guy I am?

I have a confession to make. The CRTer was me....NOT!! Actually, I'm ashamed to admit I did something like that a long time ago when I was a young monger. I've never posted the results anywhere let alone even shown them to anyone else and it's not something I've done in a real long time or would ever do again. But the experience may give me insight into what may have been going through this guy's head.

First there is the rationalization that two wrongs make a right, ie because
she's a "whore" and you've paid for "it" so you're entitled to do anything or
you're already doing something that is socially condemned so what's the big deal of doing a little more or
she is not exactly the cream of society (whether its a small or a large bunch that steal) and even if she isn't one of the theives that makes her part of a group that deserve whatever they get
You figure she'll never know so what is the harm?
If no one else sees it besides one of the participants (namely oneself), is it really an invasion of privacy.
It's a kind of "trophy" of the beautiful girls you've banged.
It's a game to see what you can get away with, like stealing candy when you were a K*D. It doesn't matter whether you could afford to pay for it or could have asked and gotten it for free. Where the thrill in that.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying any of these reasons make it right just that they might explain the motivations. There are also probably several more that I didn't think of. For me it was probably a little of all the above but mostly the last one.

Now that I'm more mature and more responsible I realize that such "thrillseeking" is not worth it. If I had gotten caught like this guy did, the embarassment would have been worse than any thrill from getting away with it. If it was with some "one-time girl" in a place I was not likely to return getting caught might have been no big deal but if it were at a place I visited regularly like the SL where all the providers know each other and word might get around or even possibly it was a provider who I see regularly I could have screwed up my further mongering in that area. I wasn't a CRTer then or part of any mongering group so I didn't have to concern myself as much with besmirching my associates, but that should have been a factor too.

And say you get away with it like I did back then. I mean so you get a poorly made video that you probably can't show anyone since it will look fairly obvious how it was made. You probably won't end up looking at it much yourself. I know I never did, preferring professionally made porn for my "viewing pleasure". The "trophy" aspect of it was also dubious. All they are to me is a reminder of something I have done that I'm not proud of. But even if you have no shame and show someone else, unless the guy you show it to is a lowlife like you or the tapes are not obviously surreptitious tapes you're not going to impress anyone that much. Finally, on this aspect, once you've been screwing women any length of time you don't really need those sorts of taped reminders to impress yourself with your "accomplishments".

Consensually taken videos and still photos are a little different. I'm assuming nearly all stills are taken at least with the awareness of all participants. The quality tends to be better and the issue of privacy is for the most part removed. The remaining problem comes when you share those images with a third party without the girl's knowledge or consent. If she specifically said she didn't want that done than that is SIMPLY WRONG. How do others know if that is the case? They don't. Posting such images on the web, beyond your control of who gets to see it or what happens to the image beyond that, just compounds the sin. Posting it on a website such as this, goes beyond even that since it makes everyone else here complicit and possibly tarred by association.

Here are some other moral questions. What if you avoid the question and they don't explicitly say they don't want their pictures spread around? Should you assume that "they should've realized that is what you'd do with them" and go ahead and post them? Or does that relieve you of all moral if not legal responsibility at that point? What if you take "sexy" photos of women in public places without their knowledge and post them on the internet for the prurient enjoyment of others? Is that morally acceptable?

I still sometimes take pictures and occasionaly even videos WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT. I usually tell them it is "solamente para mi" and even if I don't I don't post them though I might show some to a few close friends. But I'm moving away from even that.

I actually agree with this. There is no way for the admin to control whether any pictures submitted were taken with either the consent to posted on the web or even to be taken at all. I am sure there ust be at least some pics in the VIP gallery that fall into that category. If the pictures are PG or R rated that problem remains but the impact of any violations are reduced. The gallery does serve a function in enabling us to see what a girl referred to in a post looks like so we might determine if she is one we might want to seek out. But that function is just as well served with clothed or partially revealing photos. If we want to see graphic spread shots or even sex acts there are other sites we can go to. I wouldn't go as so far to say that the x-rated pics are the "ONLY" reason chicas hate this site. The "NO CIEN" campaign and our "Deny all RFM's" counselling also plays a part. But the photos certainly don't help.

All good points Prolijo. Really this guy messed things up for himself as he is a marked man when he returns since the Chicas all talk this is a lesson he will learn & I bet he asks for consent next time if he is smart. The Chicas don't put us in the same bad apple group as this guy & like wise us with them when we suffer thru a bad experience with them since everyone I believe is smart enough to realize we all don't act like this but again it doesn't help things overall. As usual in these kind of hair brained thrill seeking stunts what goes around comes around.

As far as this site goes I would want to believe it is by men for men & we look to help each other as #1 while not harming them & keeping as much dignity about things as can be had in this arena.

Bottom line lets really think about what we do before we do it then we don't get into these areas.

TicaFan
Wouldn't this be cute. But like Prolijo points out these guys feel they are entitled probably because they are paying the bill. This reminded me of something someone that doesn't make up stories told me several years ago. He said one of the cheep Love hotels or motels got caught with hidden Cams. I can not verify this but a word to be wise & on guard you never know in the Land of OZ!

I know the person who did this... and let me be the first to say something on his behalf. Before anybody gets the wrong idea, I am in no way condoning or excusing this type of behavior. I met him this last trip, but he seems like a very cool guy, a good guy to hang with, despite one mistake. I think that alcohol had a lot to do with it (again, no excuse), as well as some of the other things that people have already mentioned (i.e. she's a "whore" and I paid. etc etc)

Afterwards, he really regretted doing this. He tried wholeheartedly to apologize to the chica, but she was just too furious. I could see that he was bummed out about it when I spoke to him afterwards. I don't think he realized how important this would be to a chica. I think he was also a little embarrassed.

Like some have already said, he is a marked man now with the chica and her friends, especially at SL which is a small tight "community". He definitely realizes how inappropriate this was and I'm sure he learned his lesson. Everybody deserves a second chance, so don't write him off just yet.

Lets just look at the other side of the coin here. Awhile back here in Houston, a vice cop was busted when he was supposedly conducting a raid on a AMP that I used to frequent. He had supposedly gone a bit too far with the provider and was arrested. The evidence that the Mamasan produced??......Video camera tape of the room!!!! When I heard about that I asked myself "WTF!!! How many times have I been taped and what were being done with them?!? I'm sure (hopefully) that they were just used for the girls' security, but it still makes me not want to return to this place or others like it.

Wjm74,
You are a big star in the Bejing porn scene.

I think it depends on what you intend to do with the video.

If all you want to do is "remember" then I think taping is okay - even secretly (I might have pretended in my first post that I thought it was a bad thing no matter - I've had more time to think now so I have changed my mind). You could even show a few close friends though I doubt your close friends are going to want to see the "whole" video if you know what I mean. To be honest, my line is drawn at publishing the video on the web or anywhere/anything that allows public viewing.

What I would do, especially at the SL, is simply video tape her at and around the bar area. I just want to remember the face, not the actual act.

There is an innocent element to this and the opposite too, again, it depends on what you do with the video.

I don't think that she should come into my room thinking that all is well when I have to lock all my valuables in a safe. If you give most of these girls the chance, they will steal from you. I think stealing is deeply embedded in Latin culture judging by all the razor wire that I see - the razor wire is just a little hint.

Just like the Houston AMP, when you are in someone else's domain, there is a certain amount of risk that comes with the territory (video as well the police busting down the door).

When I’m among all the seedy folks in the seedy gulch area, my morals drop to a lower standard - sorry. As for being a gentleman, I don’t think many mongers want to hurt a Chica’s feelings just because of what she does, because I think all of us feel just a little guilty about our seedy side of the equation. Who are we to judge?

I guess I'm just a little less moral than the mongers who say they wouldn't do this under any circumstances - perhaps you guys don't have camcorders? haha! Just kidding.

Cheers. BYE!

Dwayne2864 wrote


Not to sure that this is true. I believe that stealing in embedded in POOR culture not latin. I grew up within a latin community, yes in the states but most of them were fresh off the boat.

When poor most will steal what ever they can, when ever they can. Not because they are bad, its a survival mechanism. Whether Latin, Haitian, Asian, American or any other culture.

As far as tapeing a chica he should have asked permission, but he made a mistake I just hope that he learns from it.

I agree that stealing is a culture of the poor so sorry to generalize. This mistake of mine is the same as on this thread "don't be an ugly asshole American" as if no others are subject to being ugly.... "don't be an ugly asshole" would have been much better. If the guy that did this was british, would the thread say "don't be an ugly asshole brit?" I guess it is okay to generalize if the majority of mongers are American? I guess it is okay to generalize if the majority of Latin countries and thus people from Latin America are poor?

It is difficult to be so exact on this medium of communication so some slack needs to be given.

Cheers. BYE.

I truly believe " Consensual " is the key, as already mentioned.

Have some fun, play fair, if you want anything extra or not on the menu, just ask.

Stealing comes from lack of morals.

Dwayne,

You know, I was irked by your comment on stealing being embedded in the latin culture, especially being of a hispanic background myself...

But then I read your post about the title of this thread which I MYSEF created, and, well, an apology ony my end to the board is in order.

I used the word "ugly American" simply because it is common verbage on the board, and for the most part, literally all the people that I have met at CR as mongers are American (with the exeption of a few Canadians). "Ugly American" is commonly used on the board to refer to that one guy who's overly drunk and/or obnoxious and/or disrespectful etc. etc. who give the other tourists a bad rap. Regardless of it being a common term, I'll step up to the plate and correct my mistake. I would like to retract my title and replace 'American' with 'gringo', which is what is generally used for us mongers there in CR, and puts all English speaking foreigners into the same one big boat.

Again, my apologies.

Ruffnutz

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Dwayne 2864 wrote:



I guess everyone has a take on this one way or another and there is no absolute right or wrong.

I personally feel it is not alright to secretly tape anyone for personal use.

In most commercial cases that I am familiar with the camera is either in plain few or a sign indicates a camera is in use. They tell you about it to use it a deterrent rather than to trick anyone.

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Always ask for permission. Thats the best approach.

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Now this makes a lot of sense to me but remember I am seedy,seedy,seedy,

PS the only problem with this method is the Camera is in plain view & likely it will be stolen so she maybe taping us.