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Ringo,
Are you familiar with the hot water the Lawrence Summers, the president of Harvard University, got in when he merely suggested that part of the reason there were not as many female professors in the engineering field was because of innate differences between men and women? I don't know if that is true or not, but the feminazis raised holy hell that such an idea was even put on the table to be discussed. The fact is that men and women are not equal. They are different. That doesn't mean that one is generally superior to the other, at least not across the board. It means just that - that they are different.

One thing you just wrote, really resonates with me. Liberal feminist attitudes coming out of academia is no great surprise, particularly out of places like San Francisco, California. The more subtle messages that are coming out of the mainstream media (about 400 miles south of SF) are what really disturbs me. I have no problem with commercials like the Addidas one promoting girls participation in sports as a means to greater success in life. That's perfectly fine. Where I have a problem is wiht most of the rest. Most commercials depict the guy as the fool and the wife as they "wise one". We've come a long way from Lucy and Ricky Ricardo. Today, cases like Raymond, King of Queens, According to Jim, Yes Dear, etc. etc. ad infinitum regularly depict guys as stupid, bumbling, irresponsible fools, particularly compared to their wives are much more the norm than the other way around and I have to wonder what sort of message is that sending to young boys growing up.

Prolijo asks about Harvard president Summers suggesting females might not be as mathematically inclined as men. It seems that well-established and well-funded feminist groups were ready to pounce all over Summers.

Can somebody refer me to just ONE, a single, well-funded male rights group ready to rebut? One? Just one? Well funded? We left Summers out on the clothesline to dry and whip in the wind.

Historically, where are the GREAT women mathemeticians / scientists? Okay, Madame Curie. But what about mathematics in the stratosphere of learning / exploration like Newton, Einstien (help me here, math guys), Sir Hawking, et. al.

Not that we men here can compare our thinking to Hawking, but rather to illustrate the difference in cognition is clearly sex based and UN-EQUAL!!!!

We is different. If I want to hire for a new laser fusion PhD a man may be better for the job.

If you want somebody who gives a shit about you at your hospital bedside it is not at all clear to most of us that your best bet is a woman.

Ringo

My answer is Take Your Son To the Blue Marlin Day. That way he can get his thinking straight at the proper age. Sure wish my dad had done that.

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If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it, dont buy it.

Shes probly a Lesbian too.

BTW did anyone see that wipe swap show where they swaped a vegan form south cali with a gater farmers wife from Lousianna? The gater farmers wife brought them all a gater head for a gift it was pretty funny.The lady from Cali had so many vegan friends it seemed like a cult. When the babe from the bayou made up some meat for the vegan ladys K*D he said he had never eaten a piece of meat in his whole life.

Now if you were to take the vegan all healthy peace on earth diet K*D and put him in the ring with the alligater,gumbo eating coke drinking K*D from the bayou who do you think would come out on top. LOL

Dont forget about Al Bundy you know he would love the Del Rey

Surfdog

Ringo,
I'll spare most of you the detailed research (plus I don't really want o have to look up the details myself), but I seem to recall some research associated with the Summers controversy. Basically, it was something to the effect that on average men and women are about the same level of intelligence, but men's intelligence is more variable. In other words, men tends more towards the extremes. There are in fact more super-intelligent men than there are super-intelligent women. But, unfortunately, the converse is also true. There are also more mentally retarded men than there are mentally retarded women. I find tidbits like that to be fascinating, but then again all of you already knew I was a bit retarded myself

Anyway, enough of this dry stuff. I think the newbie, Mr. Lately, came up with the best idea of all in this thread.

I couldn't stop myself, so I did a little research anyway. Obviously there are no men's rights group nearly as powerful as women's groups like NOW or you would have heard of them without having to do any search. There are a few fledgling organizations, though, and coincidentally they just had their 2nd annual National Men's Equality Conference in Washington DC a couple of days ago http://www.trueequality.com/. I'm sure you all saw it covered on the evening news . Also, here is a long list of men's rights groups with links to each http://www.menweb.org/throop/orgs/orgs.html. It seems that many of these groups are primarily focused on the issues of father's rights. Here are some of the other men's rights issues that have been identified:

1) Family law: adoption, Ch*ld custody & support, divorce, paternity testing.
2) Employment: parental leave (another father's rights issue), sexual harassment (not sure if that means our being harassed or the presumption of guilt when we're accussed)
3) Education: reverse discrimination, Title IX (girl's sports get equal funding regardless of the amount of participation)
4) Legal: judicial bias (men are more likely to be convicted of false allegations of sexual abuse than they are for other crimes)
5) Military: conscription for males only (not an issue in this country with its all-volunteer army) Given all the reports of rape at various military academies, Tailhook, etc. this is not an area where guys should be the ones complaining. Although, did anyone else notice how the media went gaga over Jessica Lynch rather than all the male soldiers that were killed trying to protect her while she fumbled with her gun or the question of what a waif like girl was doing in a war-zone to begin with (there's a case of equal oportunity run amok).
6) Domestic Violence: Husbands abused by wives happens more than you would think and the reaction of authorities is way different when it does.
7) Media: I discussed this before
8 ) Health: circumcision as a form of male mutilation(I don't see the big deal there) and research funding for prostate cancer.

This last item is kind of interesting. I didn't realize that prostate cancer is the 2nd most common form of cancer in the US (skin cancer is first) and yet it receives about half the funding of the much less common breast cancer.

Finally, it should be pointed out that while there are no well-funded men's rights groups, like Ringo asked about, it should be kept it mind that "victimization of men" is a relatively new thing from a historical perspective whereas discrimination against women dates back pretty much to the beginning of our species. The women's rights groups started small too, way back in the beginning of the 19th century as the suffragette movement. Just as the that movement was small and lacking in political power in the beginning, so the much younger men's rights movement is small and lacking in significant organisation or influence at the moment. It remains to be seen what the future holds or whether these groups will gain any ground. The pendulum has swung the other way. Will it swing further to even more ridiculous heights on the other side? Perhaps. Many woman will argue that it needs to swing further nd I'm sure it does in many areas. But, it is hard to imagine it could ever get as bad for us as it was for women in this country during our early history or still is in many parts of the world (will men ever be required to wear burkas ?). One can only hope that eventually things will find some happy medium.

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Interestingly, the word "misogynist" is formally defined as "a man (presumably) who hates women"...yet it's counterpart, a word formally describing a woman who hates men, has yet to come into existence, to my knowledge ("bitch" doesn't count). Hmmmmm.

CCP

"UCSF's Center for Gender Equity " ??? Sounds more like the Center for Gender Changing...phallus envy? There's enough lesbians, transvestites, closet cases and other assorted phreaks in San Francisco that you never know who's running the show.
I lived in the Bay Area for more than 20 years...and after that time I was never surprised by how many people had gender changes, or were a totally different gender than people assumed they were. Hell, it was expected to get a laugh out of other people's misfortune when they found out the hard way...and we usually had a new story or example every few months.