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Now that youve been abroad do you still monger back home?
Sure i still go to my favorite spots 16%  16%  [ 17 ]
Not as often as i used to but occasionally i do 43%  43%  [ 45 ]
No @#4@# way! 40%  40%  [ 42 ]
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:19 am 
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Has anyone on this board wondered why it is illegal to pay for sex in the US???


I think there are a number of reasons, The Puritan background of the country. The power of religious groups in the US, a well organized minority (held together by a strong belief) will always be able to hold power over a disinterested majority. Criminals, they know that large amounts of money can me made in any activity that is illegal whether it be gambling, drugs or sex. Politicians, pandering to that well organized minority means success at the polls, success at the polls means the ability to profit from illegal activities.

I am sure there are plenty of other reasons these just come to mind quickly.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:48 am 
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The problem with most of the current religious fanatics is they don't have a clue as to the actual teachings of Christ or the basis of Christianity. They take a mix of Old Testament and out of context New
Testament negativism to justify thier own prejudices and miss the real message. I don't recall any place where Jesus preached hate or intolerance, but rather love and forgiveness. He must have thought prostitutes were OK since he washed the feet of one in public. Some of the loudest mouths of the religious right belong to some of the worst sinners and hypocrites ever imagined. I'll continue to pursue my worship in the woods with the animals. If the city of Houston spent half as much time fighting real crime as it does harrassing strippers and mp girls our taxes would be lower and we'd all be a lot safer.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:27 pm 
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To me comparing mongering in the US with mongering in CR is like comparing apples and oranges. But if you want to really try and compare it, I think you might find it is not so far apart as one might first think.

For one thing, the pricing is often not so far apart as one would initially think. Say the typical guy goes to CR for 1 week and scores 2 chicas per day - an MP girl for $40 and an evening BM chica for $60. This averages out to $50/hr. Of course some guys like to go for a TLN for lets say $100. But how much of that TLN is spent actually having sex? a long hour in the evening and a quicker session in the morning? It still averages out to $50/hr. Sure the dining and dancing can be fun, but that has extra cost and is not really what we're paying for and if it were all we wanted we could get it from gringas back home anyway. And the snuggling in bed after sex can be fun too, but agian is not what we're paying and personally I sleep better alone. Some guys may go for a little more, some for less, some may get better rates and some pay a little more. But the TYPICAL guy is not going to have much more than 2-3 hours of sex per day and is not going to get off for much less than $100 total for it (more with tips), so the average apparent rate is not going to drop much below $50/hr, maybe $35 but not much less.

What is easy to forget are the added costs. For most of us airfare runs at least $400+/-. TACA is now at a low $207 from MIA, but current airfare from Tampa is $133 and the cost for travel from other cities in the US are much higher. Add airport parking plus transfers to and from the airport and departure tax and you get another $50-100. Hotels at $60/nt tax included add another $420 for 7 days. Eating our for every single meal even at cheap sodas probably adds another $50-100 over your regular weekly grocery bill. Going to a bar every single night and buying drinks is going to cost more than your weekly twelvepack at home so add another $50-100. When you get done, most guys are going to be spending at least $1050 over what they would have been paying at home and before any other tourist extras like rafting trips. That averages out to another $150/day or $75 for the 2 hours of sex, bringing the real cost to $125/hr or much closer to domestic rates.

Many will argue the exact numbers, but the real point is that the real cost of just the sex is significantly much higher than just what we drop down at the MP's, etc. Of course this ignores the qualitative aspects of the sessions. While it is certainly true that the typical latinas tend to offer more passionate GFE type sessions than the typical gringa, that is not to say that all sessions in CR turn out to say that ALL sessions in CR turn out to be that great or that GFE sessions in the US are unheard of. One can even seek out latina providers in the US if that is your preference.

Based on this analysis, I would still have to agree that most sessions in the US just don't measure up to what one can find in CR and other places and they certainly cost signifcantly more, but they are not QUITE so far apart as many of us would think.

However, the real reason I said comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges is that they really serve two totally different functions. When I go to CR, I binge. Knowing I'm there for a limited time and knowing the overhead costs that I'm paying, I try to maximize as much as possible the amount of sex that I go for (bringing down those average costs). I end up going for far more frequent sex than I would ever have back home. Its sort of like going to an all-you-eat buffet. You stuff your face to try and get tyour full money's worth.

The problem is no matter how much sex you get in CR, for most of us unless you get some more at home (or travel to CR every month) its not going to hold you over to the next trip. Some guys have wives and regular girlfriends to satisfy this need (or are content with their hand), making the whole idea of bothering with any P4P in the US seem totally absurd. But I know even some of our married members still occasionally partake while at home. Still other guys would still rather pay outright to satisfy that occasional need to get their rocks off with something other than their hand even if it IS substantially more costly and less satisfying than what he can get in CR, rather than pay the often onerous indirect or intangible costs of having a relationship with a gringa. The main difference being that even for those who DO partake these forays into domestic P4P are usually extremely ST and infrequent compared to what we do in CR. Apples and oranges.


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:43 pm 
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Yep I agree Prolijo it's funny in my 6 CR trips from Miami it is always $1500 all inclusive whether I stay 3 days or six. At $150 for a good south florida session it is not a slam dunk to hit san jose every month.

Also my body gets used to three chicas a day in CR so coming back to south florida makes local providers an absolute must lol...


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Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I just had to share this experience. THIS HAPPEN JUST AN HOUR AGO.

Im in Boston, at work and wanted to relieve some stress. So I decided to go to a local "Jack shack" that I have been before. $70 for a massage and HJ. Everything goes well until I go to give the girl a tip of $20. She tells me oh you didn't know, its $60 more. :shock:

Without even thinking I said "Are you shit'en me". then she takes her hand and reaches in her ass and then smell her hand and says. "no I didn't shit I don't smell it, where". :lol:

I gave her another $10 just for the laugh alone and told her thats all I had.
$150 for a massage and a HJ. What is boston coming too. I can't wait for my next adventure in July. CR here I come 8)


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Hazel, that's really gross. I hope she used her other hand to jack you after that. :lol:


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I live in rural Pennsylvania within a one hour drive of two smaller cities, both with Asian run massage parlors. Before my trips to CR, I would visit one of these massage parlors every week. $60.00 for the house and $100.00 for the girl for full service, and a usual $20.00 extra tip for the girl. Always CBJ. I would guess that 50% of the time, I would rate the experience as good and the other 50% as mediocre or bad. It seems difficult to get a GFE in these places, at least for me anyway. Law enforcement is not much of a problem, as they usually target the owner/manager and the girls, and this does happen on occasion.

Since my trips to Costa Rica, I have cut way back on these trips to MPs at home.

I've crunched the numbers on occasion and would agree with Prolijo in his above post concerning the costs at home as compared to CR. Those extra expenses do add up.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:43 pm 
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As the profound Pacoloco says....

You pay for it one way or another...

simply ask yourself- 'what is my cost per phuck' and also, not just cost but quality....

To me, quality is KEY... and a passionate Latina GFE will be at the top of my list forever... damn the cost

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a passionate Latina GFE will be at the top of my list forever... damn the cost

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:37 am 
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1. Average MN escort price (illegal) $200.00/hour
2. Average MN price for a real looker = $300.00 - $500.00/hour
3. Street whores are hideous/drug addicted/looney/dangerous.
4. If you ignore #3 above and get caught, your car will be confiscated (permanently) and in St. Paul, your name and mug shot will appear on an open website. Fun for the family
5. No good MP's anywhere nearby
6. Living in a population 18,000 town 50 miles from the Twin Cities, there's no real action here, and what's available...I wouldn't do with Circus' dick and Prolijo pushing.

Outside my area:

Legal U.S. options: Vegas...(fart noise); N. Nevada/I-80 brothels are the Elephant Graveyard for aging hookers; it's where they all go to die And "cien por una hora?" Even with a 40-something dishrag in Elko Nevada, the fare was at minimum $400.00/hour. (Experienced LH trucker-types will argue with this amount, but that's what I was charged, and no negotiation possible).

So...

Phuck no! I don't monger anywhere near home. I save my leche for a couple gringas and my trips to Paradise..

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:01 pm 
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I am not sure if I should bring this thread to life again but I did find it quite interesting.

I did some mongerering in Nebraska and found only one escort agency that would even come close to full-service. Most agencies are limited services or huge upsell. There are no MPs or pick-up strip bars as LE is reasonably active.

The best option I found was to go for the INDYs who post their ads on *******.com and charge from 200-300/hr. Many 300/hr INDYs would go to 200/30-min, which is what I went for most of the time to mimimize risks in case the lady didn't live up to the expectation.

Interestingly, many ladies didn't mind dropping their rates to 150-200/hr for repeat visits. I can live with that except the supply of 'reliable' ladies seems to less than 5 on any given day. So my desire to go to CR is purely for the ample supply more than the cost factor.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:55 pm 
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Gaurav,

You forgot to add the potential cost of getting busted to your price schedule.

In Minnesota, if you get caught cruising for street action, the combined cost for a little action could run into the thousands. This isn't even counting the cost of public exposure.

If arrested, you will lose your vehicle. This is a draconian level of legal persecution, considering that solicitation is a simple misdemeanor. While other crimes of this level could cost the convicted $1,000.00 per offense, trying to find paid sex could conceivably cost one thousands of dollars, depending on the value of one's vehicle. :evil:

Note the recent NFL Vikings' "sex boat" scandal. Not only do the four defendants face criminal penalties which could potentially run into thousands of dollars, but they will also face NFL fines and in some cases, divorce. Pretty expensive for a floating BJ.

It's not just about quantity in C.R. It's quality, cost and legality.

It's funny. I believe that the U.S.A. is the only country in the Western Hemisphere where prostitution is illegal (and Nevada, which limits legal prostitution to counties with fewer than 150,000 residents, hardly makes a difference for most hobbyists). Prostitution is legal nearly everywhere else in the world, except for Islamic regimes and the Vatican.

All over Europe, one can find legal P4P. I've read numerous posts about Asia and Australia, Africa and elsewhere as well. This saddens me; we seem so open about sex in the U.S.A., yet we are a nation of sexual cripples. This may be why some of us, unwilling to give up our natural desire for good and frequent sex, travel to find it legally.

If one is willing to "save up" one's potential prostitution encounters until one can travel to C.R., the CPF (cost per f*ck) ratio becomes more and more favorable, especially in light of the legal situation here. I enjoyed the company of 18 women on my last trip to C.R. at an average cost of $40.00/lady/hour. Even if I factor in the total cost of my trip, the CPF still works out to an average of around $150.00 per encounter,, $50.00 less than the per-encounter price of the cheapest ******* here in Minnesota and around $100.00 higher than the cheapest per-hour rate of diseased, drug-addicted street whores.

I have had resonably good fun in U.S. strip joints, where there is very little touching permitted for $400.00/evening out. Worthless if one wants to actually get laid. In C.R. on the other hand, an evening at nightclubs such as Pantera Rosa or Kamur can cost half that, with sexual satisfaction as part of the total bill.

There is no legal risk, and I happen to love Latinas. Ergo, I go.

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Hey, this is a good thread to bring back… :D

Here in the Bay Area (and south…) we are lucky to have Redbook and fairly loose local LE… Craig’s List is a bit scary but down here on the peninsula it is our best bet… The Asian underground has set up quite a few great local spots that offer 2-3 girls in a rotation… But the service is at $140-$160 per shot and service quality runs from bad to great… The non-Asian girls (independents) run $150 – 600hr and you have to believe picture that they are posting... At least in CR you have the opportunity to do an interview and have some choice…

As Prolijo well put it…It’s like apples to oranges (Orange feel free to chime in at any time…) The bottom line is that the total experience of CR makes it well worth the $$$, and it makes me think twice in regards to my local spending…

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El Ciego:

Your point is well taken but I was referring to INDYs that have posted ads on sites like *******.com and naughtynightlife.com and have some reviews from the hobbyists. I have never picked up anyone from the streets of Nebraska (during cold winter season, its not even feasible for anyone to stand outside).

I was simply sharing that since there is not much action in good ol' Nebraska, I have had decent luck getting ladies to go down on their rates for repeat visits. One thing I can say is that whatever few ladies that are available here are pretty nice looking and many of them have been great gfes. Here are couple of links if anyone is interested when visiting this part of the country:

http://www.omahaescorts4u.com (only reliable agency in NE that has some gfe ladies for one rate although you have to call to get that rate)

http://*******.naughtynightlife.com/nebraska/ (check out the Omaha link for the INDYs)

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OK… I have to ask…

Why would any monger visit Nebraska at this time of the year… :shock:

Sorry…

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