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Just my personal opinion:

If Costa Rica changed it's immigration laws to welcome US expatriots and make it easy for them to work, the quality of the services, banking and customer service at retail stores would likely improve. The expatriots might take some Costa Rica jobs in the short term, but in the near term would likely create new jobs and the overall wages in Costa Rica would likely increase. Some in the US view Latino immigration as causing a net job loss, but in fact all economic studies show it as an economic stimulant, providing you don't force them into an underground economy. Unfortunately both the underground economy of gringos in Costa Rica is similar but smaller than the Latino underground economy in the US. Both government's restrictive immigration laws are designed to be protective of their people, but actually are just bad economics. In Costa Rica, the only ones who benefit from the status quo are the six controlling families whose businesses benefit from low wages - similar to the construction and big farming industries in the US. :roll:

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If the two time ex President has the guts to RFM, I wonder if the new guy will go down the same path. Find it interesting that some of the big high tech companies are cutting back in CR or moving out. Is the government promoting a "friendly" business climate or developing a talent pool for these positions?
I just read a story about their solid waste/ landfill problems, they have well documented waste water/ water treatment issues as well


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Lennydo wrote:
Just my personal opinion:

If Costa Rica changed it's immigration laws to welcome US expatriots and make it easy for them to work, the quality of the services, banking and customer service at retail stores would likely improve. The expatriots might take some Costa Rica jobs in the short term, but in the near term would likely create new jobs and the overall wages in Costa Rica would likely increase. Some in the US view Latino immigration as causing a net job loss, but in fact all economic studies show it as an economic stimulant, providing you don't force them into an underground economy. Unfortunately both the underground economy of gringos in Costa Rica is similar but smaller than the Latino underground economy in the US. Both government's restrictive immigration laws are designed to be protective of their people, but actually are just bad economics. In Costa Rica, the only ones who benefit from the status quo are the six controlling families whose businesses benefit from low wages - similar to the construction and big farming industries in the US. :roll:



The underground economy is alive and well, especially here in So. Fla. One thing that is rarely talked about is the outflow of cash from the US to the relatives, loan sharks, drug cartels and gangs in Central and South America. Go anywhere that has Western Union and you will lines of Latinos sending US dollars south. This money is spent in those countries and usually does not make it back to the US in terms of goods and services purchased. It goes to pay rent, utilities, food, cheap junk products or to pay back the local loan shark. The concept of using money to create wealth through transactions stops.


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appreciate pov's different from my own even though they are obviously polar thought processes.
kudos to the commenters in this thread for not taking it political but i have no hope that this thread can continue without absolute politics being injected. jmho

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Damn near everything has been illegal in the US at one time or another; what's the problem with these k!ds and their parents gaming the system for a good cause? Just because our own system is all ways woefully overloaded due to funding starvation due to taxation's mild existence in rich folks lives (and I'm especially including corporations, as they are legally considered persons)? When did compassion leave the planet? Most of these wretched refuse, these refugees settle in areas of the US that we stole/bludgeoned from Mexico--they are merely taking it back by passive means. No huge amount of respect fot Mr. Arias but I think he's hit on something here.

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Orange wrote:
Are you proposing that we just open the border to everybody who has had a tough life?

First the "K*ds" will be let in, become citizens or permanent residents, then they will import their whole family and US tax payers can support them.

Maybe then the government can take 80% of my paycheck (instead of the 40% it takes now) to support all these illegals.

Unfortunately, America can't be everybody's white knight. We have enough of our own citizens that are dying of hunger in the streets that need help before we allow a bunch of illegals to enter the US.

Bro Orange--I have seen no statistics that illegals get much US aid assistance once in the US. Different stats from a neutral source would be welcomed and read with interest. If those "....folks who had a tough life..." had fled an enemy's turf, damn skippy we'd give them every help--that was one of the major points of Mr. Arias' essay. How does that "...40% of my paycheck..." break down? Does it include all you pay into Social Security ( which you get back in payments in 2-3 years after you start collecting;; thereafter you collect on someone else's dime)? Make appropriate US tax changes and we'd be flush with cash--we can start with making SS levies on 1st to last dollar, instead of cutting off collections at $135K (everything above that is SS-tax-free) and including income from whatever source derived (most capital income is tax-free). Also recognizing reality, tax capital at an even rate as labor is. Too Lefty for you? You are a financial professional--what's your specific, non-mean-spirited solution?

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Lennydo wrote:
Please, let's don't make this a political topic.

That hope was lost in the Thread title. I do agree with what else you said.

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Scuba1 wrote:
1) (many here illegaly don't pay taxes).

2) If we solve the oil question - in other words, produce the energy we need domestically through a combination of conventional an non conventional sources - and I really believe we can - we can wave a farewell to the countries of the middle east who want to live in the 600's as well as the jerks in places like Venezuala.


1) Sure they do, 2 ways: perhaps not income taxes but surely sales taxes and that voluntary tax called the Lottery. Plus that non-cash tax known as less opportunity and working for sh!t wages, and otherwise being constrained.
2) Exactly backwards and very short-term thinking. What we want to happen is the rest of the world pumping itself dry and then having to come to us. Our current cheap-energy policies are a pacifying, heroin-like response to keep folks from being upset and questioning if things need to be the way they are--the last thing the oligarchs want (an aroused, knowledgeable population). Why do you think energy prices are so cheap in Russia? And why they use it as a political tool in Western Europe? Bingo!

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Jazz, like you a lot but I'm gonna stand by what I posted - on this <these?> points we are just going to have to agree to disagree. :) :) :)


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JazzboCR wrote:
Damn near everything has been illegal in the US at one time or another; what's the problem with these k!ds and their parents gaming the system for a good cause? Just because our own system is all ways woefully overloaded due to funding starvation due to taxation's mild existence in rich folks lives (and I'm especially including corporations, as they are legally considered persons)? When did compassion leave the planet? Most of these wretched refuse, these refugees settle in areas of the US that we stole/bludgeoned from Mexico--they are merely taking it back by passive means. No huge amount of respect fot Mr. Arias but I think he's hit on something here.

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GoodToGo wrote:
No doubt American's are kind hearted and generous. I am proud to be one. But the truth is that we as a country don't do nearly as much for the disadvantage of the world as many other countries. In dollars, sure, we help the most. As a % of GDP, not really.

The saddest truth is our drug policies are at the heart of this particular problem. Our policies have done a lot to cause the problems and not much to solve it.

So, let's clean up our mess and solve our immigration problem at the same time.

(April 2013)

To provide an alternative perspective, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, and national charitable giving. This list is as follows:[1]

Luxembourg – 1.00%
Sweden – 0.99%
Norway – 0.93%
Denmark – 0.84%
Netherlands – 0.71%
United Kingdom – 0.56%
Finland – 0.53%
Ireland – 0.48%
Belgium – 0.47%
France- 0.45%
Switzerland – 0.45%
Germany – 0.38%
Australia – 0.36%
Canada – 0.32%
Austria – 0.28%
New Zealand – 0.28%
Portugal – 0.27%
Iceland – 0.22%
United States – 0.19%
Japan – 0.17%
Spain – 0.15%
South Korea – 0.14%
Italy – 0.13%
Greece – 0.13%

Hey, forget about foreign aid--US first. Raise the gasoline tax to an appropriate amount and borrow cheap money to the hilt (you do think we'll grow enough to pay back the bonds especially at the current, historically low interest rates, don't you? Or do you lack that much confidence in our future? Sad.) Then use that money to rebuild US infrastructure. 2 benefits: huge amounts of wage and SS taxes paid by folks who have good jobs, and we are better positioned to confront the challenges now and later of the 21st Century.

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LAdiablo wrote:
if you don't do something to decisively stop this it will only get worse
the coyotes are reaping a windfall advertising to and then taking the money from the families sending these K*ds
any thoughts about what happens to them on the way through mexico?
if anyone really cared about those K*ds even a little bit the first thing they would do is send back the first wave to stop any further poor decisions by desperate people
guaranteed these K*ds are being raped and exploited as part of the spoils for the unscrupulous coyotes and thieves out there "guiding" them to the border
not to mention starvation, heat and drowning hazards
how hard is that to figure out?

Written by a man who's never been truly desperate. That's one solution, piss-poor as it is. Would you say that that to those trying to escape the USSR or Nazi Germany? Or Cambodia under Pol Pot? Or many of the African countries wracked by historic strife? How about vetting the K*ds and providing safe transport to those 99% who qualify?

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Fieldtech wrote:
We already have student visas to enter the U.S.

They are ludicrously tight, silly-few in number and not really worth mentioning, not in this context anyway.

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Lennydo wrote:
Just my personal opinion:

If Costa Rica changed it's immigration laws to welcome US expatriots and make it easy for them to work, the quality of the services, banking and customer service at retail stores would likely improve. The expatriots might take some Costa Rica jobs in the short term, but in the near term would likely create new jobs and the overall wages in Costa Rica would likely increase. Some in the US view Latino immigration as causing a net job loss, but in fact all economic studies show it as an economic stimulant, providing you don't force them into an underground economy. Unfortunately both the underground economy of gringos in Costa Rica is similar but smaller than the Latino underground economy in the US. Both government's restrictive immigration laws are designed to be protective of their people, but actually are just bad economics. In Costa Rica, the only ones who benefit from the status quo are the six controlling families whose businesses benefit from low wages - similar to the construction and big farming industries in the US. :roll:



The underground economy is alive and well, especially here in So. Fla. One thing that is rarely talked about is the outflow of cash from the US to the relatives, loan sharks, drug cartels and gangs in Central and South America. Go anywhere that has Western Union and you will lines of Latinos sending US dollars south. This money is spent in those countries and usually does not make it back to the US in terms of goods and services purchased. It goes to pay rent, utilities, food, cheap junk products or to pay back the local loan shark. The concept of using money to create wealth through transactions stops.

This is correct. They are called "remittance payments" and many countries, most notably Haiti, depend on them. They don't go to build mansions but to keep villages and urban families alive. Many families pick the best in family to go North for this very reason. Foreign aid of a very personal kind.

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JazzboCR wrote:
LAdiablo wrote:
if you don't do something to decisively stop this it will only get worse
the coyotes are reaping a windfall advertising to and then taking the money from the families sending these K*ds
any thoughts about what happens to them on the way through mexico?
if anyone really cared about those K*ds even a little bit the first thing they would do is send back the first wave to stop any further poor decisions by desperate people
guaranteed these K*ds are being raped and exploited as part of the spoils for the unscrupulous coyotes and thieves out there "guiding" them to the border
not to mention starvation, heat and drowning hazards
how hard is that to figure out?

Written by a man who's never been truly desperate. That's one solution, piss-poor as it is. Would you say that that to those trying to escape the USSR or Nazi Germany? Or Cambodia under Pol Pot? Or many of the African countries wracked by historic strife? How about vetting the K*ds and providing safe transport to those 99% who qualify?

sure and you have mr government worker on a pension. gmafb you don't know me or what I've been through but by your determination i have too much and should just hand it over. i hope the city your pension comes from fails and you end up eating dirt. you think we have the capacity to bring all those families to the US?
we already send billions of dollars to every country in the world that needs it. and what happens? nothing because the leaders are thieves.
you want to do something about it then adopt a few in your home and i'll believe you actually care. comparing whats happening in central america to germany or cambodia is insipid and lame. there is no genocide taking place. you are a self righteous fool who probably never created a single thing in his life just delivered the mail.
at least Lenny comes by his liberal views honestly and can carry on a reasonable conversation here and in person. you have your open borders head up your ass.

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