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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:48 am 
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I spend alot of time in CR surfing in the Tamarindo area and have never had any trouble with the locals. I respect their beaches and often ask permission of the people there to surf their break. It was the same in Hawaii. You have to respect them and they in turn will respect you. Believe me the word gets around the various beaches/breaks about you showing respect and they go out of their way to greet you, invite you to join them for breakfast or lunch or drinks. Respect their country and the people. There is so much to do there and to enjoy.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:22 pm 
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One rotten apple can spoil the whole basket. During a recent trip to CR, I was at Zona 2 in the afternoon. There was a young American male there who was being very obnoxious, insulting different races and nationalities. The bartender said he was on drugs. Eventually, Jim had him thrown out - I don't understand why he waited as long as he did. It is those types who make an impression on strangers. As others have stated here, you need to show respect to receive respect. If I was someone from another country who spent some time in the gringo places in San Jose, I would probably have a negative opinion of gringos. I wish all gringos would act civilized in other countries, but I think that will never happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:33 pm 
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Cujo's wrote:
I'm sure there's a mix of everything in between..some dislike, some are ok, etc whatev..

Generally I think the overall sentiment may be that mongers have more money than sense..


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I haven't run into much hostility towards me, personally. But it's not hard to see how Ticos might not like the gringos that come down to visit, particularly the mongers. Too many mongers think that because they aren't back home and because there is so much "sin" around, that they have license to act like 14 year olds. Too many think that there are no rules here, and that they can get away with anything. And many DO get away with things that wouldn't be tolerated back home. But just because they can get away with being assholes doesn't mean nobody considers them assholes.


Very true, guys :)

Bilko, the reason you have not run into hostility is easy:

You speak Spanish
you don't act like a jack off

I hate the concept of the "ugly American" and will be the first to say for some it fits - drinking to excess plays a role, too.

I don't have paticence (sp?) for idiots, and will admit I've blasted dopes in posts. It starts with asking questions that just scream ignorance about CR and Costa Ricans - if you have the attitude that the place is one giant whorehouse, that's a bad place to start. If you go in with the idea to see how much you can drink with out coming down with alchol poisioning. For 50 and 60 year old men to talk about how much they drank, or are planning to drink is just really stupid.

Don't get me wrong.......most guys don't know what they don't know, and there is not malice intended - but if you are ignorant, its going to show.

I've had some good natured <and frankly some not so good natured> ribbing over correcting guys who mis use the word Tica (they think its another word for whore) - while the vast majority don't mean offense, little things like this show - in addition to ignorance - possible ways ticos could take offense - so rest assured, I'll continue to point out when the tern is mis used :wink:


Some guys need to smarten up - I think a better question for this thread is why don't [u][b]more Ticos hate Americans, b/c one thing we are still good at is acting like assholes :wink: [/b][/u]



Aside from paying for sex, if you are doing ANYTHING that you would not be doing at home, you're probably being a jerk. If you're grabbing ass of waitresses, making lewd suggestions, staring, being loud or whatever, if it doesn't fly in North America it's not welcome here, even though the girls may pretend to like you because they need to pay the rent. Likewise taxi drives, etc. I don't think many Ticos hate ALL Americans, but I suspect many don't like a fair percentage of those they encounter down here. mongers especially.


Sums it up nicely - agree 100%


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:46 pm 
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I don't live anywhere near the gulch in CR, and as been noted, it is a different world out here. I have found the majority of Tico's have a great sense of humor and are generally a friendly group. Quick to smile and shake your hand. I've had several total strangers stop to help me simply because it is the right thing to do. (out of gas/car problems) which I think is the norm.

I have lived in San Jose and met a few Tico shysters. One ripped me off (previous landlord). But any major city worldwide tends to attract the worst types of people.

If you do as others have said: go with the flow, don't insult them or their country, smile, don't be loud or obnoxious you'll find Tico's to be great.

Want a tico to like you? Tell them you think their country is beautiful and you find the people warm and friendly. They have a lot of pride and this will endear you to them instantly.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:12 pm 
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DonCarlos wrote:
I'm going to have to disagree a little on this one. The problem depends totally on the context.

For example, if you take a girl on a date in San Jose during the evening, and she wears a short skirt and high heels, then there is no problem as long as you dress like a gentleman, i.e. pants and a nice shirt.
From my experience there actually is a problem regardless of how you are dressed. I am certainly not saying it is right or wrong, but Costa Rica like most Latin countries are stratified by class in ways that most North Americans are incapable of understanding. They often tend to be prejudiced based on socio/economic, employment and the country of origin of people. Thus, "elite" Ticos at an upscale restaurant will be quite aware of status of the "date" that is with the Gringo, and many of them will find it quite offensive.

If the date happens to be an upscale educated Tica, then it will probably fly under the radar unless there is a big difference in ages between the guy and girl- but if the girl is a foreigner or from a lower socio/ecomomic group, they will quickly size up the situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:39 pm 
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Ticos not only don't like Gringos, they don't like Nicas, Colombians, Mexicans or anyone not born here. Hell they don't even like the darker skinned Ticos from Limon. They are a racist bunch as a whole and fast to talk behind peoples back. Never saying anything bad to a persons face, non confrontational and scared. Having said that there are some very cool Ticos/as.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Gersen wrote:
Just my mind trying to figure why they hate us who for the most part are nothing but good to them in my experiences.

Many (not all) posters have made excellent points giving reasons why.

Here's another reason: anti-Americanism sentiment in Latin America - not just Costa Rica - is also fueled by the long history of US interventions, police actions, and outright invasions of Latin America countries. IIRC over 50 since 1900.

Many people don't seem to differentiate between the actions of Americans as individuals and the actions of the American government. So they end up with preconceived notions about Americans in general, usually dispelled when they get to know the gringo as an individual.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:14 pm 
No question I felt that a few times in Panama 15 years ago, I distinctly remember an obvious derogatory comment from a cabbie for no reason.

Noriega had his followers long after we took him in 1990. Plus we killed about 220 soldiers and 300? civilians (some say way,way more). And we went way overboard on the private commercial property destruction during the invasion with tanks and flame throwers and what not. I saw alot, alot of anti US graffiti still on the walls in the barrios.

An invasion like that is enough for some of them to say greeeeengo.

Haven't been back so I don't know but haven't read anything similar in trip reports on this board.

And I agree tico's def do not like the Nica's or their own Atlanticos.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:51 am 
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Ilv4play wrote:
Get out of the gulch and check out some of the country. You just might be surprised how friendly the people are. I have been invited to peoples homes because I respect the fact that I am a guest in a different country, and I treat the people I meet with the respect they deserve. I try and speak the language and for the most part they appreciate the fact you put in the effort. If nothing else they get a good laugh sometimes. I think that most of the Ticos with attitudes towards gringos are those that work in the gulch area or have family members that work there and tell them stories of what goes on. I have met a few ticos that initially had a chip on their shoulder since I was a gringo, but once we hang together for a while, and they get a sense of my character there is no longer an issue.

Exactly right. I'm guessing you don't play out the myth of U. S. exceptionalism that says/acts like, "we're the best cuz we're the best", "I can be oblivious of cultural context", "MY stuff don't stink if I can buy my way out of it or blithely ignore it", et cetera ad nauseum. As was alluded to, folks in SJ or Jaco don't see us being real, but rather living out a fantasy. When they do, it's relating or not on a personal level, not "us vs. them". A lower voice, an absence of adolescent words or behavior (public self-control), a little humor and a bit of patience can be intensely rewarding. If you think the food is bland, bring your own Tabasco sauce but don't wave it or noise it around the dining room--if that attitude is writ large in your soul, you'll do fine.
To please Bro Gersen, here's that song (I've always liked it too): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUmNud_3lcQ << here's a smiling face to accompany (or at least that much a smile as he can muster): http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... MABEPwdMAs

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:19 am 
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Bilko and others are right.
Act like a gentleman
Have some class
Try to experienc your trip to CR as living the high life and not the low life
Think about it: You can be a King for a weekend so act like one and don't be a slob


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:55 pm 
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Jackietrehorn wrote:
Bilko and others are right.
Act like a gentleman
Have some class
Try to experienc your trip to CR as living the high life and not the low life
Think about it: You can be a King for a weekend so act like one and don't be a slob

++1.
And above all, have a good time while doing the above. Remember, there are a lot of reasons that people may not like you that may be out of your control. This applies in any country, and sometimes you just have to say f**k um.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:05 pm 
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joe schmoe wrote:
Ticos not only don't like Gringos, they don't like Nicas, Colombians, Mexicans or anyone not born here. Hell they don't even like the darker skinned Ticos from Limon. They are a racist bunch as a whole and fast to talk behind peoples back. Never saying anything bad to a persons face, non confrontational and scared. Having said that there are some very cool Ticos/as.


Yeah it seems that many Ticos have the same problem that many North Americans have.

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Maybe this will add a little insight to the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkFJE8ZdeG8

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http://lyricstranslate.com/en/latinoamerica-add-english-title-here.html

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:25 pm 
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I did not take the time to read all the posts to this thread, but I will give you my humble opinion on this.

After living in Costa Rica for a minute I can say as a populous they do not "hate" gringos. But they do have a deep resentment towards us. Not all of it has come from the "douchey" tourists. Most of it does, but not all of it. Some comes from having to work for gringos or around gringos for many years. In general, the gringos who come here to work are dicks. Period. I still after 15 years deal with the same resentment from our employees as I did when I first came to Costa Rica. It is because we are assholes to people in other countries. We act entitled and arrogant. I know this will anger some people. And the people it angers are probably part of the problem. I have tico friends that I have had for 15 years and still they hold resentment towards me because of the actions of others. This is sooooo deep rooted in them that even the people who like gringos still hold a resentment towards us.

Like my man Mandela said, "We can change the world and make it a better place. It is in your hands to make a difference."

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:57 am 
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Srilm wrote:
What Ticos think about Gringos... hmmmm...

It's a loaded gun of a topic, that's for sure. Here is what you should know...

Let's assume that you are a Gringo (from the USA, or possibly Canada or the UK), and that you look like one. The number one thing that you need to realize is that you are perceived as a dude that comes from a country where water comes out of the spigot like it's liquid gold, and that you wipe your arse with $100 bills. That's the INITIAL impression.

Your first mission, if you want to meet real Ticos, is to dispel that myth. Don't be a jackass -- don't throw money around and don't be stingy. Walk into a bar, order a beer, say "HI" to everyone. Tip the barkeep 10% and no more. Don't complain about how hard life is, but don't pretend like you walk on rose petals either. "Damn, yeah, USA people make good money, but my rent is $2000 per month also. Whew, it's a nice place, but it's not the paradise people think it is, either." The Ticos start to say, "Yeah, I feel yah, man."

Be a guy, not a jerkie "Ugly American" as they like to call 'em. When you come to CR, you are fighting the legacy of hundreds of thousands of douchebags whose first experience in CR was falling drunk out of a taxi at HDR and saying "which one of you TICAs is gonna bang me first?"

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Yep - as usual, you nailed it - nice to see you posting again; I always enjoyed your posts.

And sorry - this is one of the reasons I often (ok, a lot :lol: ) point it out when guys misuse the word "tica" to be another word for whore - one of the ways you can be respectful in CR - besides the ones you mentioned - is not use the word for Costa Rican female to mean whore - I can't for the life of me see why some guys hate that I do it; some need to look in the mirror :wink: :roll: :)


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