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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:26 pm 
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In the US the IRS makes it real clear that the tradeing of goods (dinners, movies, drinks and jewelery) or services (cooking, cleaning, sex) is barter. It is then considered a taxable event. Now follow me on this. If its ok for a gringa to trade her services for my goods , why can't we then just pay cash. Of coures this will now alert the IRS as to a new deficate reduction plan.

Since you are talking about the government, you probably meant defecate. :P :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:16 pm 
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I applaud this hobby. Having come across it by accident in Mexicao where, as an older guy, I was suddnely having wonderful sex with a gorgeous twenty-something and I accidently found myself in San Jose a few months later having the time of my life. I think most men would admire and an be jealous. Now, I have a hispanic GF in the US, who gives great sex, cleans my house, cooks, dances and is wonderful. However, I just got back from CR, where I got great BBBJ's with beautiful young women, took more dance lessons, danced every night, spent my last night with my favorite and had a great time. Now I'm back with the GF, speaking Sapnish and remembering CR. Long live this life style!


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There are some guys who are never going to be faithful to one woman, no matter how personable, hot, supportive, or good (for them) she may be. They'll find a reason to phuck it up given enough time. Some enter into a swinging setup, but you have to like the swinging set, which can be pretty unsavory. So the prostitute comes into play. She also comes into play with those guys who won't or can't marry again, those who are between relationships or marriages, and those who are shy or too old to attract women. The wife getting older and the guy seeing himself reflected in her (getting old, too), is another problem for some guys. And of course, the commitment phobic will always keep hookers busy. The bottom line is relationships are real life, and guys who pay women for sex are not interested in that aspect of real life.

There are a lot of advantages to fantasy sex. It's hardly necessary to explain those to guys on this board, but it's not a panacea. There are risks involved with traveling, living in other countries, STD's, meeting up with crazy girls, etc. Also, they really don't give a shit about you, nor will you ever really know if they're faking it. Getting lubed up is not much evidence of genuine pleasure. Rather, it's a physical response. You also never have the feeling the girls likes you for you - but rather for what you can do for her. It's usually reciprocal, but that just further removes you from genuine feelings.

The married guy with the fishing trip alibi is a way to have the best of both worlds. But one world usually eventually gives way to another. With the addictive nature of promiscuous sex, it's usually marriage that gives way to the hobby. Finding a woman who affords a degree of independence can work (as in my case), but you need to be patient finding a girl who is both attractive and secure enough to look the other way. And you never want to take advantage of a girl like that, which means there is still going to be some modification of your behavior.

What tipped the scale for me was hooking up with several non-pros over a period of several years. Civilian sex with girls who wouldn't think of asking or accepting money was a high that was rarely matched, even with semi's. For some reason, BrazilCupid was a goldmine for me. I also met some non's in Colombia who rocked my world. I found Latinas compelling enough to eventually want one of my own. The visa shit was a hassle, and it's not over. (The green card interview was delayed 6 months when we had a trip to Brazil already scheduled. But it's finally coming up again next month.) And there is the adapting process for the girl, which means she has to really want a new life.

For me, the hobby will always be an adjunct to having a real relationship. Sex for money is easy. It's always there, if necessary...

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Brother JM pretty well "covered the waterfront" with this post--99% of the types of guys were named here. I believe I'm part of the 1% that wasn't--the mildly sociopathic who aren't "commitment phobic" only with women--I have a hard time forming relationships with anybody of any depth or permanence. Maybe sociopathic is the wrong word to use (we need our resident psych guy to chime in here) 'cuz I'm aware and somewhat sensitive to others sensibilities and don't know that I've ever hurt anyone. I just can't feel with any one else (that's the working definition of empathy). I was recently labeled misogynistic and misanthropic--that's far from the way it is--not being able to get close to others is a league away from wishing them harm or even being indifferent. I just have an apartness, a lack of need for particular others that's Berkelian (when I turn away, you cease to exist, in a nutshell) *. And most other folks especially sense this and are repelled. If that doesn't work, I drive them away with chilly attitude, colder logic and hyper-linguistics. I try usually successfully with a jocular demeanor to fake it but eventually the truth will out. TMI?

* 'Fess up now--you didn't think I'd post like this without at least 1 footnote, didya? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley Good Irish lad that he was...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:54 pm 
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I agree. I read the article about the report, but didn't read the report itself. I could tell from the article that it would be a biased report based on the total lack of any positive comments in the article. Did the "researchers" go to Sex Addicts Anonymous to find their subjects? Of course those people are there becuase they believe they have a problem and are not happy with their behavior.

I also loved the comments about every male being a potential rapist, as if this is shocking news. Yes, every man is a potential rapist, just like every woman is a potential prostitute. We are all animals underneath our intellect. Our intellect may set us apart from the animals, but in the end animal instinct can and will prevail.

There are also animals that engage in prostitution. There are monkeys that require their potential mates to bring them food or other valuables before they will engage in sex with them.

See http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1700821,00.html


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Characteristics common to all personality disorders

People with personality disorders share certain characteristics:

1. Except those suffering from the Schizoid or the Avoidant Personality Disorders, they are insistent and demand preferential and privileged treatment. They complain about numerous symptoms, though they frequently second guess the diagnosis and disobey the physician, his treatment recommendations and instructions.

2. They feel unique, are affected with grandiosity and a diminished capacity for empathy. Consequently, they regard the physician as inferior to them, alienate him and bore him with their self-preoccupation.

3. They are manipulative and exploitative, trust no one and find it difficult to love or share. They are socially maladaptive and emotionally labile.

4. Disturbed cognitive and, mainly, emotional development peaks in adolescence.

5. Personality disorders are stable and all-pervasive – not episodic or transient. They affect all the dimensions of the patient's life: his career, his interpersonal relationships, his social functioning.

6. Though the "patient" is sometimes depressed and suffers from mood and anxiety disorders - defenses - splitting, projection, projective identification, denial, intellectualization - are so strong, that the patient is unaware of the reasons for his distress. The character problems, behavioral deficits and emotional deficiencies and instability encountered by the patient with personality disorder are, mostly, ego-syntonic. This means that the patient does not, on the whole, find his personality traits or behavior objectionable, unacceptable, disagreeable, or alien to his self.

7. The "patient" is prone to suffer from other psychiatric disturbances, both personality disorders and Axis I disorders ("co-morbidity"). Substance abuse and reckless behaviors are also common ("dual diagnosis").

8. Defenses are alloplastic: "patients" tend to blame the external world for their misfortune and failures. In stressful situations, they try to preempt a (real or imaginary) threat, change the rules of the game, introduce new variables, or otherwise influence the external world to conform to their needs.

9. The personality-disordered are not psychotic. They have no hallucinations, delusions or thought disorders (except those who suffer from a Borderline Personality Disorder and who experience brief psychotic "microepisodes", mostly during treatment). They are also fully oriented, with clear senses (sensorium), good memory and general fund of knowledge.

Of course, none of the above would apply to me given the fact I'm unique :!: :P

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:21 pm 
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...........Here's why I use them.

Tired of playing the game with American women.

I get laid when I want to with the girl I chose.

The girls are younger and are much better looking than anything I can get. (I only pay for 9's or 10's)

It costs less than dating.

It's far less complicated...I'm not leading anybody on and/or hurting somebody's feelings, when all I really want is to get sex.

It keeps me sane. If I go too long without getting laid I might walk into a McDonalds with an Uzi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:10 pm 
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I subscribe to the theory presented by Dennis Prager a well known writer, lecturer and radio talk show host. He proposes that both men and women have “insatiable natures” and that insatiability can become an enormous threat to ones peace of mind and happiness.

Men by nature have an insatiable appitite of multiple partners; not more s - e - x but multiple partners. Men are not “content [psy]exually but rather lust for another partner – as distinct from lusting for more [psy]ex with the same partner . . .” He explains that the phenomenon is as true of men seeking women as it is for men who seek men.

It is the nature of man to seek [psy]exual variety. He illustrates what he means, “If male nature were not variety oriented, one issue of Playboy would suffice forever.” Monogamy is a outcome of socialization and not the other way around. Men inherently desire multiple partners.

When we as men come to grips with that and overcome our socialized beliefs that multiple partners is some how evil, then we can enjoy the liberation of our own manhood. Hopefully I am not sounding too preachy, or anti-preachy, but guilt has a way of even screwing up a wet dream.

NOTE: It is the nature of women to have an insatiable desire for emotional intimacy, a near polar opposite to multiple partners. It is the dynamic tension between the two natures MALE - MULTIPLE and FEMALE - INTIMACY that leads to the development of culture and civilization.

And that study in the U.K., I continue to maintain it but useless, dim-witted rubbish by frustrated hags who cannot come to grips with their nature. How is that for unsubstantiated judgement?


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5-year-term limits on a marriage contract. That way neither takes anything for granted and maybe they'll suppress the "Inner B*tch" and put it on you a little stronger in that last year to get you to re-sign lest you resign. Realistic is not misogynistic.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:56 am 
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Allow me to break the article down a bit

'I don't get anything out of sex with prostitutes except for a bad feeling," says Ben. An apparently average, thirtysomething, middle-class man. "I am hoping that talking about it might help me work out why I do it."

Ben obviously found a cien colombiana at the DR. Ben my friend, you did it bcs she looked hot but you failed to negotiate. Read the newbie section.


Research published in 2005 found that the numbers of men who pay for sex had doubled in a decade.

This may help us understand why chicas have been asking for cien at the DR, supply and demand.


The ­authors attributed this rise to "a greater acceptability of commercial sexual contact", yet many of our ­interviewees told us that they felt ­intense guilt and shame about paying for sex.

It is possible that men have finally gotten sick and tired of the princes BS and we are ashamed that we behaved in such a non-masculine manner and we are guility of that idiotic behavior. Nah, forget that thought.


"I'm not satisfied in my mind" was how one described his feelings after paying for sex.

My mind is never satified but I can tell you my Johnson is. I believe a metrosexual gentleman may FEEL this way.


Another told me that he felt "disappointed – what a waste of money", "lonely still" and "guilty about my relationship with my wife".

Another fallen to the DR colombiana


I interviewed 12 of the men, and found it a fascinating experience. One told me about his experience of childhood cruelty and neglect and linked this to his inability to form close ­relationships with anyone, particularly women.

Sounds like a great candidate to interview, on Dr Phil.


Alex admitted sex with ­prostitutes made him feel empty, but he had no idea how to get to know women "through the usual routes". When I asked him about his feelings ­towards the women he buys he said that on the one hand, he wants ­prostitutes to get to know and like him

I too feel empty, about 2 leches, so I understand AL. I want them to know me, know what positions I like, know when to take it all the way in their mouth just before the fireworks, and know how move her her culo around when spooning indicating the door to the batcave is opening and it's is ok to drive in the batmobile.


"I want my ideal prostitute not to behave like one," he said, "to role-play to be a pretend girlfriend, a casual date, not business-like or mechanical. To a third person it looks like we're in love."

As long as the third person is her amiga, then she behave like pro without any consequences.

I felt compassion for Alex. No one had shown him how to form a bond with another human being and he was searching for something that commercial sex was never going to provide.

If I ever end up dating some chica like this retard, I give the board members permission to shoot me.

But another of the interviewees left me feeling concerned. Darren was young, good-looking and bright; I asked him how often he thought the women he paid enjoyed the sex. "I don't want them to get any pleasure," he told me. "I am paying for it and it is her job to give me pleasure. If she enjoys it I would feel cheated." I asked if he felt prostitutes were different to other women. "The fact that they're prepared to do that job where others won't, even when they're skint, means there's some capability inside them that permits them to do it and not be disgusted," he said. He seemed full of a festering, potentially explosive misogyny.

I do not know why she is concerned. Darren is an asshole. Did she consult Jazzbo on the use of the word misogyny. :P (but a razzbo)


More than one third said they thought the prostitutes they visited had been trafficked to London from another country, and a small number said they suspected that they had ­encountered a trafficking victim based on the woman's inability to speak the local language

You see Cujo's right, learn Spanish and it wouldn't be such a big deal. Where is my buddy?

or on how young or vulnerable they appeared.

Is vulnerable a new word for spinner?


One of the most interesting findings was that many believed men would "need" to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand. One told me, "Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead." Another put it like this: "A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape."

Why not interview prison inmates, or did they?

I concluded from this that it's not feminists such as Andrea Dworkin and myself who are responsible for the idea that all men are potential rapists – it's sometimes men themselves.

What else could you possible conclude about all men from extrapolating thoughts from a potential rapist. Are cereals now giving out diplomas instead of little toys. Oh, now I did it, I said little toys. I guess that means I secretly like K*ds.

"Dad took me and my older brother," said David. "He paid. Maybe he wanted to make sure we weren't gay. We went to a brothel. Dad didn't do it, and I don't think he told my mum."

Dad 8) .

Another man paid for sex during a stag trip to Thailand with eight of his friends. He was disappointed. "It was a Russian girl, it wasn't the ­escort experience. She didn't want to talk, just lay on the bed and wanted to do the [sex] act only."

Maybe I am reading this wrong. A guy goes to Thailand. And, out of the 1000's of beautiful asian girls, nimrod goes with a Russian. She should have slapped him straight and explained it as popular Russian sex act.


Many men seemed to want a real relationship with a woman and were disappointed when this didn't develop: "It's just a sex act, no emotion. Be prepared to accept this or don't go at all. It's not a wife or girlfriend." ­

So I guess a < 750 combined SAT or < 13 ACT score is required to be interviewed. Damn, I'm out.


Others were clear that they paid for sex in order to be able to totally control the encounter, including Bob, who said, "Look, men pay for women because he can have whatever and whoever he wants. Lots of men go to prostitutes so they can do things to them that real women would not put up with."

Is Bob a CRT member?

Although some of the men said they thought the women they bought ­enjoyed the sex, many others admitted that they thought the women would be feeling "disgusted", "miserable", "dirty" and "scared".

Must add, do you feel disgusted, miserable and scared to my interview questions. Dirty, I hope so.


Ahmed said he thought the woman might feel "relief that I'm not going to kill her".

Well Ahmed, if you walked into the room with six sticks of dynamite taped to your abdomen, I'd ask the same logical question.

I found this article entertaining. I am also very disappointed. So disappointed, that I have not reserved my room for my March trip. So disappointed, that the freaking month of February is in the way. So disappointed, that I had to spend my time reading this article instead of looking down and seeing latina eyes look up at me.

Dean

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" most of the girls down here, lie as a self defense mechanism and to not have to face the truth, thinking most men couldn't accept them knowing the whole truth. Simpler, they may just want men to think they are as perfect as they want to appear to them, trying to hide what they consider to be the ugly truth about themselves. And I may be reading more into it than is there, but I do believe they consider the basis of the lies to be justified."


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This article is a near-perfect example of the "Ready, fire, aim" school of Sociology. First frame the agenda/point-of-view, then construct questions that lead to pre-selected answers, then find a big thwacking bunch of self-hating chumps, then publish the manipulated results as (pseudo) scientific inquiry. Repellent and most def' not scientific. Who's funding these wankers anyway? What % of the responders were reported on? And what answers were not reported?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:32 pm 
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Oh yea, my answer, why not?

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" most of the girls down here, lie as a self defense mechanism and to not have to face the truth, thinking most men couldn't accept them knowing the whole truth. Simpler, they may just want men to think they are as perfect as they want to appear to them, trying to hide what they consider to be the ugly truth about themselves. And I may be reading more into it than is there, but I do believe they consider the basis of the lies to be justified."


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I was reading an article and I rip this off from the article so here it is...

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Sometimes all you want is meaningless sex. Or stress relief sex. Or fun sex. Or... In other words, no expectations sex.
Sometimes you can get that within your relationship. But sometimes you can't, so you look for it elsewhere.
In an affair or a one-night stand, it might start out without any expectations, but expectations usually develop anyway. So it's not a perfect solution.
But when you have sex with a prostitute, your relationship doesn't change just because you have sex. She's not expecting you to treat her any differently from before.
All she expects from you is for you to pay her fee, have sex, and then move on. In fact, anything more than that starts to get a little creep...


I think this said it all... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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Why to men use prostitutes ? Hmmmmm.

Why does a dog lick his balls ?
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Because he CAN !!! :shock: 'Nuff said! :P

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