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Astro Monger

4Reel is actually a very sensitive guy. You would be quite surprised how tactfully he tells all the chicas asking for Cien........ "lo siento mi amor pero no phuckin manera"

As a strict adherent to the LAL camp my philosophy is that I don't pay women to have sex with me, I pay them to go away afterwards (or to allow me to go on my merry way if that should be the case). I'll be the first to admit I'm very cynical of the motives of people in general especially when money comes into direct involvement, but trying to pretend a hooker (or any person for that matter) can have some type of deep feeling towards me after a few days of pay to play sex just seems laughable to me.

They provide a service (for which I am very greatful). I pay a fee for that service (for which they are appreciative) and that concludes the encounter. I dont' mean to make it sound so clinical because a very passionate sexual experience can definately be found amongst providers, but that doesn't change the bottom line of what is going on.

Shaddow says

Thank you so much for your honesty. You have really hit on something here that may be the true difference. GFE guys seem to be able to suspend reality for a time, and live the fantasy. LAL guys can't do that, and find the idea laughable.

I can tell you that I have formed a bond with some of the latina babes I have been with. I don't know about deep feelings, I think that would only come if I was seeing them outside the gulch on a regular basis. Remember that the GFE guy is not really looking for a Girlfriend. He is looking for a Girlfriend Experience. So it should have all the similarities of a real relationship, but you should be able to walk away at the end of the trip and leave her behind, returning to the real world.

Lots of guys have compared Costa Rica to a fantasyland, almost like Disneyworld. When you went to Disneyworld you knew that the castle was fake, but it was sure a lot of fun to pretend. That is what a GFE guy does. I guess an LAL guy has a much harder time pretending.

Nothing wrong with either way, but I bet that is one clear difference between the two methods.

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ASTROGLIDE

God, I love this site!

It is not all about the chicas, The fellow mongers are about 0ne half, well, maybe one third!

I always like the ensightful comments by King Costa(KC), Joe 1015 and others on my comments and escapades. I have had the privalige of meeting Astroglide(KY liquid is better) and Crystal(cute, petite, pretty chica) and listening to the KC conversation with Astro after I introduced them to each other.

I think there is a GREAT mutual understanding within the 3 of us and when you get down to what we really want is a fulfilling relationship that is relatively short term so that we can continue to pursue he HUNT that soothes our soul!

4(Reel) Lovem and Leavem)

4Reel ---

What a friggin statesman you are!.. You brought a tear to my cynical eye
(as per Astro) ... Well Said!

Maybe I should change my name to KY Liquid. 4Reel, I appreciate the kind words. You did introduce me to the King, and for that I am grateful. While I do think King is a bit more cynical than me, I am willing to concede that what I perceive as cynicism may just be realism. He can see through a chica and her BS quicker than most.

4 Reel I did ask you some questions I still wonder about: [/quote]Have you ever brought candles to the room? Do you play the magic CD to get them in the mood? Do you bring little gifts as a propina for excellent service? Just curious.

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ASTROGLIDE

What was that I was saying about over complicating things? What was the name of that show The Simple Life? I think I'm going to ask the administration to add a new category to the forum index. One where guys who like to go to low stress destinations where they can get laid by pretty young girls two or three times a day and not have to think about all of the ramifications about why they are there are why the girl is there. We could call it the Simple Life. Or maybe it could just be lee's world. Come August 22nd I will just be doing it not thinking about it.
Lee

Astro,

I haven't done the candles yet but did buy some Gardenia sented candles the other day along with several varied gifts for my Sept 6 trip. Yes, I did play the magic CD(thanks Joe1015) on a portable CD/Radio, which one of the girls found a really cool radio station that mixes English and Spanish music. Yes, I did give gifts to the ladies and received favorable comments by all. "Nice touch" is what my GFE said. I took one of the girls back to the DR with a Victoria Secret bag with some goodies and she immediately went to her friend to show them off. My hairy girl was so proud of the portable shaver. She had me and friend, on the next night, feel her legs, smooth as silk all the way up to her -----!

In conclusion, King Costa has been a great help to me in my last 2 trips. No tears PLEASE KC. He is cynical due to his experiences and I think he is too hard on the Columbians based on my experiences so far. I go for whatever attracts me and I do get shot down alot with the CIEN only girls but doesn't phase me a bit, I move on quickly. On my next trip I will be going for 53 trips around the DR and beat KC's record.

4Reel (Lovem and Leavem)

Asto ----

Thank you my friend for removing the cynical label and replacing it with the realistic one... Cynicism relates to negativity and all who know me will quickly agree I am anything buy a negative individual. I guess my attitude is that you can't change people, you just have to find the good ones.

4Reel..... You are an up and coming true stud here. On the Colombiana issue. Dude.. several of those chicas I referred to a couple of the guys were Colombiana. Indeed, there are a group of nasties that should be avoided by all. However, some of them are very sweet. OK.. got it?


You have come a long way from your first trip when your stories sounded kinda like the Burma Death March I am a competitive person and I will be happy to race you around the DR anytime, Bro...

Great point on the gift giving being a decent factor for discerning a LAL guy and a GFE guy. Hadn't thought of that, but I admit while I very often "tip" the girls with cash for a good experience, I miss the point of giving them a little gift. The gift giving would definately raise the intimacy level between myself and the girl which as an LAL guy doesn't really interest me.

Really looking forward to meeting some of the guys from the board and putting a face to a screen name. Less than two weeks now and counting!

Shaddow says


There is another word that I think the LAL guys shy away from: intimacy. The nice thing about CR is that none is really necessary, unless you want it. A think somebody like 4Reel is a little of both. He likes the GFE, but has no desire to extend it and make it emotional. I have a hunch that lots of LAL guys (maybe not all) have a hard time with intimacy in the states with the gringas, and go to CR because they can get laid as often as they want without having to fake it.

I am not really surprised that the vote tally seems to leave more GFE guys on this board, but a significant group of LAL guys, and another group that fit neither category. Maybe someday we'll come up with a name for them too.

King....never saw you as negative....but yes realistic fits you well mi amigo. Hope to see you back down there soon!

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ASTROGLIDE

Astro --

Thanks for the correct assessment of my attitude in Costa Rica.

You are correct about my buddy 4Reel... but I got to tell you he is a no cien guy all the way... right 4reel?

Anyway, headed back again real soon and looking forward to my never ending semi pro quest.

Astroglide:
With all due respect my man we all go to Costa Rica because we can get laid with a lot less hassle. The only difference is our tolerance level for hassle. As for that intimacy thing: I arrived on a Sunday and leave the next Sunday in that time I get laid by seven to 14 ladies I think intimacy requires a little more time. And if I'm going to put that much time and effort into developing a relationship why would I do it with someone I'm only going to see three to four weeks a year.

I'm a firm believer in treating the ladies with all due respect and if a little romance is required to get them into the mood I'm up for it (forgive that phrase). You made the comment that some of us shy away from intimacy in the United States I thank some of us seek romance in Costa Rica because unlike in the United States the airport is only a 20 minute ride away and it's all over.(No Piper to pay). The ladies I see and enjoy in Costa Rica know exactly what I'm paying them for and I know exactly why they are with me. That is called an honest relationship and those are hard to come by.

Lee

Lee: When I first began this thread, I made the comment that some LAL guys get uncomfortable even talking about thier feelings. Your last two posts seems to confirm that. This is not meant to be a criticism in any way, but it is a key differentiator from GFE guys and LAL guys. In fact you summed it up quite well when you said:

The GFE guys tend to want to discuss their feelings, why they are there, make a bond with a chica, see her a second time, develop a potential novia, and sometimes make an effort to really get inside her head. It is risky behavior, I grant you, but the whole Costa Rica thing is a bit risky for many of us. GFE guys have no problem dealing with the intimacy question, where such a notion "does not compute" with LAL guys. The LAL guys can't figure out why GFE guys want to talk about all this complicated stuff.

The reason I started this thread was to explore the idea that LAL guys get frustrated with some of the juicy emotional details in the GFE trip reports. We are all "brothers by dipstick," and may even like the exact same chica, but what we are looking for in the experience seems quite different to me. I think you have confirmed that. What you are looking for, and what I am looking for are two different experiences. Nothing wrong with either one.

As an example of my point, take a look at a current trip report by Papichullo, in which he talks about juggling 2 or 3 novias at the same time:

Most LAL guys I know would never have such a problem. They do not even understand the idea of explaining to one chica how he did another chica. It does not compute. But for a GFE guy, we get off on the emotional aspect of the encounter, and even the intimacy....even if it is fake or temporary intimacy. Papichullo has made a bond or a connection with a chica. She even shows up every morning to take his laundy for washing and gives him a morning quickie. How cool is that? But the LAL guys would shudder at the emotional connection with the chica that would have to be made and not understand why you would even see her every morning. It's just a different way of going about our business. Nothing wrong with either one.

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ASTROGLIDE

Astroglide:
Up to now I have just been doing some good-natured chain pulling about what we do ( in San Jose ) to kill some time. If you notice most of what I post is on Sundays -- too much free time. But I'm beginning to see something a little sinister in what you're saying. There is more than one post on this board about ladies who take advantage of lonely man by leading them on and emptying their pocketbooks. Definitely not a good thing and one of the primary reasons everyone going to San Jose for our reasons should read this board.

On the other hand it would be just as wrong for us to go to San Jose and holdout some kind of hope (false hope) to these ladies that we will change their lives. I hope you're not telling me that you're using these ladies desperation to take yourself on some kind of mental joyride. Many of the ladies that I have talked to say they like seeing a guy more than one time because it makes it more like dating and less like prostitution. It's a mental thing that helps them get through the day and feel better about themselves. The same can be said for the men going to San Jose -they need something to make it seem less like prostitution. That's okay with me enjoy yourself make it more like a date. Look at my last trip and my relationship with the librarian . She got a client that respected her and enjoyed her I got a provider who went way out of her way to take care of me. But at no time in that relationship did we lose sight of the fact that she was a provider and I was a client. If you're making yourself up to be something other than a client you're just as wrong as a provider whose making herself out to be something other than a provider.
See what happens when you think too much about this stuff.
Lee