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Bilko.
I readily believe that this chica was promised $200TLN by this guy and that, after she spent all that time with him, he ditched her without leaving her even taxi fare. If think we can all agree that there is no excuse for a guy doing something like that but I also think we all know such things DO happen. HOWEVER, while most of her account is both credible and deplorable, certain ELEMENTS of it beg my credulity. Like El O said:I have no idea who "M" is, so admittedly my disbelief is based on "sweeping generalizations based on your perception of what all sex workers (or women perhaps) are like" , but that part of "M's" story doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not saying she is outright lying, but most chicas are known to at least stretch the truth, exaggerate the facts, shade their depiction of what happened, embellish on what actually happened and/or selectively omit key elements.

Of course its possible this guy simply changed his mind about doing TLN with her (like she suggests) after spending a significant portion of her working time with him. Whether they had a pre-agreed $200TLN deal worked out or not that is simply WRONG. Time is money for these chicas and in a "no-fault" situation like that the chica is entitled to at least SOMETHING for her time, IF they've spent significant time with him that could have otherwise been used securing business with another PAYING client. Of course this was not a legally enforceable contract, but the other key elements were there that make it "ethically" binding - offer, acceptance and consideration in the form of the time she spent with the guy.

OTOH, MAYBE there was something else going on there which this chica left out of her story. Did he just up and desert her for no reason at all other than simply losing interest? Perhaps. Or was there some sort of argument between them? Did she say something that changed the terms of the "contract" on her part (like no BBBJ or having to leave before dawn)? Did he catch her stealing from him? Or did she reveal that she was actually under legal age? That would certainly explain not only why he ditched her but also why he tried to keep her out of the HDR (and why they complied). It is that part of her story in particular that otherwise doesn't add up.

I think most of us have probably been in a situation where we've spent time with a chica and we've had 2nd thoughts. Most of us would either go through with our agreement and hope our initial impression turns out correct or else cut the evening short but at least offer some sort of partial compensation to the chica that was fair for the amount of time they had spent with us (even if non-sexual, bar time has value to these chicas too, even if at a lower rate). Sadly, some guys are complete dickheads and won't pay ANYTHING unless they got their full TLN, even if they were the ones to pull out. However, I find it incredibly hard to imagine why even such dickheads would go a step beyond that and try and screw the chica over with the HDR mgmt UNLESS there was something ELSE going on.

Similarly, we don't know the whole story with the 2 chicas at the San Pedro Mall. Maybe it happened just as they said. But we haven't heard the gringo's side of the story. Maybe the chicas got there really late and he gave up waiting for them. How long are we supposed to wait? Or maybe they "crossed wires" and one side or the other got mixed up where or when they were supposed to meet. If they were supposed to meet EARLY evening then buses were still running, and it is hard to imagine why even dirt poor chicas would go out without even the 50 cents it would cost for a bus in case they needed one (assuming they had any common sense which many of them often don't)I'd disagree with the last part of this statement. Speaking in a "sweeping generalization", chicas are NOT "just as likely" to no show as we are. IMHE, they are actually MUCH MORE likely to no show or show up REALLY late.

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Orange and I were posting at the same time but, yeah what he just said. There were probably a lot of other things going on in these cases that the chicas conveniently neglected to include. The guy who ditched the chica probably wasn't the most honorable or proper in how he handled it but the rush to judgment against him by so many here based just on the word of this chica is not very fair either.

I wonder what would the gringo say to HDR security to keep them from allowing her to re-enter? Unless the gringo knew the security guy better than the chica knew the security guy I find it hard to believe they would pay much attention to what he says about any chica much less just him telling security "not to let her in". Maybe I'm wrong but it seems they would only refuse entry with a valid reason like security witnessed her breaking a rule, not because some gringo simply tells them not to let her in.

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Prolijo wrote:


I agree, Tico/Tica time was originally explained to me this way over 10 years ago. If a tico couple invites another couple over for dinner Tuesday night at 7pm and the couple subsequently shows up at 8:30pm on Thursday, no one considers them late.

Yeah....this "ticotime" business. Something I just can't get used to.

Agree with the two above. All of my favoritas have been on this situation from me. They show up and hour or more late, guess what, I’m gone. My TIME cost money too. I always make sure to tell the chicas that is a pet peeve of mine for them to be late. After they get stood up the first time, they always make it on time after that. NEXT is a bitch.

I agree that if you spend time with a chica and then change your mind, some compensation should take place. I normally leave a 10K note and tell her if she wants to buy more drinks is up to her. They always pocketed the money and move on. We are all entitled to change our minds.

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Good method for them to learn.

JOsie got it right on the head. Been there, done that... The game is not meant for the faint of heart or the sensitive...... IT's a rough and tumber world in the gulch....... "you know you can't trust them, they know they can't trust you."

I agree with JOsie that, while there may be various cultural differences, the chicas at least need to meet us halfway. If I ever arrange to meet a chica somewhere, I try to practice the follow guidelines:

1) I tell them at the time we make the date that I won't wait if they're late (even though I will a little).

2) I usually make the meeting place some place I won't mind hanging around. There's a big difference agreeing to meet at the BM or SL where I can kill the time until she arrives checking e-mail or chatting with friends (and where I'd probably be hanging out anyway) and having to stand out in front of the San Pedro Mall for an hour. Besides, I suspect their knowing I'm in a place where other chicas will be trying to convince me she's not showing up might make her a little more punctual.

3) Depending on the situation, if I'm reasonably certain that she's going to show up late anyway, I make the appointment a little earlier than I really want and I show up a little later than we agreed (usually no more than 15 minutes late). I have NEVER wound up arriving after the chica or left HER waiting.

4) When (not if) I get there and she's not there, I accept the fact that there are cultural differences and need to meet her part way, so I'm willing to wait at least a little while. How long I should wait is the open question and that also varies depending on the situation (including how hot I am for her). However it wouldn't normally be more than the hour that JOsie mentioned (from the agreed upon time, not my arrival).

Now the question of the appropriate compensation for bar time is another story. IMHO, JOsie's 10K amount would be on the high side but that really all depends on a lot of other factors:

1) How much time did she spend on you? Hopefully, JOsie is not talking about cases of only 15-30 minutes. Even for an hour or 2 that might be a bit rich depending on the other factors outlined below. Many of us normally can negotiate an hour of SEX for 30K or even less and as little as 10K at a tico MP. Should sitting with a chica and buying her drinks really cost us a full third of what we'd pay for getting naked and freaky with us for the same amount of time?

2) What time of the day or evening did this take place? If you cut her loose and it is still relatively early in the evening has she really lost out on her chance to make her score for the evening. Many if not most of these gals only score once per evening any way if even that. This is similar to what sort of cancellation fee you pay at the SL if you cancel soon enough for Bill to rent out the room to someone else.

3) What other expenditures you have spent on her. Sure they'd rather have dinero than dinner or drinks, but that dinner or drinks has some value to them. Some (or even most) of these girls take heavy advantage of us by ordering the most expensive drinks and the most expensive entrees and appetizers on the menu (e.g. shrimp cocktails). This doesn't ENTITLE us to anything back in the room above and beyond what we've paid for, but it is a form of "rent" for time spent at the bar and restaurant.

In the example that Orange gave, the guy took up her time during the 9-12PM prime time. OTOH, he bought her drinks and she changed the terms of their agreement. His ability to score another desirable TLN was impaired nearly as much as her ability to make any money at the DR. What he should have done is figure 2 hours was better than nothing and renegotiated a lower rate than what he would have paid for TLN. Failing that he should have given her something for time, taxi fare if nothing else. I would have gone with her to a pharmacy and paid for the medicine plus a generous amount to get home but I might not have paid 10K (which is enough to get me laid at a tico MP) for just a few hours of conversation, at least not when the falling apart of the deal wasn't my fault.

OTOH, if the time frame involved was 6-9PM instead of 9-12PM and I had just spend 10-20K on her for dinner and drinks and she suddenly said she couldn't spend all night as she had agreed, I wouldn't feel OBLIGATED to give her anything at all. HOWEVER, depending on whether I believed her sick baby story or not, how generous I was feeling and how much I liked her, I might still take her to a pharmacy buy the medicine for her and send her home to take care of her sick K*D with taxi fare and and a bit more so that her evening would not be a total loss. But that would all be because I wanted to and not because I felt I HAD to. Of course, if I did all that and I caught her later that same evening at the BM instead of with her supposedly sick K*D, then there'd be hell to pay. Also, I'm not that altruistic and I'd probably also try to cash in on her gratitude (or guilt) with a session the following night.

This was a private party so he didn't pay for her drinks or food. She was free to leave at anytime, they didn't make the TLN deal until minutes before we were going to leave. He was hoping some hotter chicas would show up but they didn't, so he closed the deal with her since she was the best of what was available at the time. My girl felt really bad about the chica (and her sick baby ) so she made me give her 20k for the medicine. (or whatever else if the story was bullshit).

GREAT POST


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Orange,
In that case, with the agreement being only minutes old, your friend really didn't OWE her anything. She didn't pass up any other opportunties because of him and, for that matter, he didn't pass up any opportunities because of her (he could have left anytime too). I do find it rather curious however that she makes all night there was no mention of a sick K*D and then within minutes after making a deal for TLN, she suddenly gets a call where she "finds out" she can only stay 2 hours. It certainly seems like she made it all up and/or was using it as an excuse to renegotiate their deal to her favor. I'm surprised since he spent all that time with this chica he didn't counter with a reduced rate. Two hours is better than nothing. It certainly wasn't something worth his getting angry at her over (and causing her to cry :roll:). Or he could have done what I suggested: be a nice guy by giving her the benefit of the doubt and taking her to get her medicine and before sending her on her way with cab fare and perhaps a little extra for her troubles. I seriously doubt that would have cost him anywhere near the 20K that your chica got you to pay. Besides, if the K*D was really that sick and needed medicine, she shouldn't be out with some gringo. She should be at home taking care of the K*D. Either he would have caught her in her lie trying to play some other gingo at the BM later that night or he could have taken it as a down payment on some really good gratitude sex a night or 2 later. Anyway that is how I would have played it.

although this is an interesting post by Bilko and somewhat interesting thread it really has little bearing on any adult..

You're either well mannered or your not...at this point in your life ...and reading how to be courteous, respectful, honorable and truthful is pretty much water over the dam by now

Livincr,
You have a good point. Guys either get how to be a mensch or they don't. However I think Bilko's point was not so much to teach any of us not to act like that (assuming the chicas' version of events were what really what down) as it was to remind us that there are plenty of OTHER assholes out there, which could explain a lot of their distrust of ALL of us in general.

Its a damn difficult situation, a while ago a chica I know a little begged lunch money. She hadn't eaten since the day before. She put my 2mil colones away and there in her wallet was a beautiful, fresh, unspoiled 100 dollar bill.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose.

No offense, but I've never really dealt with the broken down girls with no money... It is depressing to me.. I do it for a fantasy and a broke, begging little wench is not my thing.