D2864 wrote:
Johnarizona wrote:
D2864-Well come on bud...you don't really believe the simple premise that: She didn't protect herself properly by allowing herself to be photo'd....so therefore...ha ha; I can post her pic without shame or concern.
Johnarizona, a lot more than the above goes into my position concerning the gallery not only the above. It isn't ha ha I'm going to post your picture all over the net, it is more like I'm going to post your picture on a website which caters to mongers and is password protected. ...
D2864. that dog don't hunt either for the same simple reason. Just as this isn't about our ASSUMING that the chicas would be okay with our posting their pic (because we never asked and because they'd never find out), whether that were so or not, this isn't about ASSUMING that it would be safe to post those pics because the people the chicas didn't want to see it would never find out, whether that were true or not either. Personally, I think you're right that it is highly unlikely their loved ones would discover their pics here (OTOH, we have had some ticos here). It still all comes back to the simple fact that chicas who haven't been asked and didn't want their pics posted THINK that risk (however small) still exists, regardless of reality. And when it comes to our personal likenesses that is really all that matters. Put another way, if someone posted compromising pictures of you on the web, would their being in a place that the poster thought was secure and unlikely to be seen by those around you be enough to make you completely comfortable or happy about it?
D2864 wrote:
Some say posting photos causes trouble - chicas get really mad - if this is true some who post a lot of photos ... should really be taking a beating in CR.
Of course, its true. If you don't believe chicas get really made about gringos posting their photos then just ask any random chica at the HDR how she feels about it and see what happens. So why don't guys that post a lot of photos take a beating? Actually, while perhaps not an actual beating, many guys do suffer the chicas wrath when those chicas find out those guys posted their pics. If this were not so then these guys wouldn't be complaining so much about guys "ratting them out". But, to the extent there aren't more "beatings", it could be for many reasons. For example, on one of my recent trips I sessioned with a long-time favorita who used to absolutely LOVE having her pictures taken, but this time she absolutely REFUSED. When I asked her why she said because she had heard that her pics had been posted on the web. So, without quite revealing our name, I probed a little to find out which site and she said costa rica something or other. "Costa Rica Ticas?" I asked. "Si, Si", she said, "esta muy malo" She hadn't seen which pics they were let alone knew for certain what site but she knew they were out there and it impacted what she would do with me and her attitude towards gringo in general. The guy who posted her photo wasn't the one who suffered her direct wrath.
D2864 wrote:
There is always a story about a chica who has access and a bunch of other chicas are looking on.... looking on from the HDR, SL, not a chica's living room.
So? Have you or most of the guys who report these stories ever seen where many of these girls live? Maybe some of them do access CRT from a home computer, but do you really think that the vast majority of them even have home computers or would be cruising for naked pictures of themselves while they're at home with their families even if they did? But most likely its simply because many of them don't know how to use a computer or at least don't know how to find and get into the CRT VIP Gallery on their own and have to be shown by a friend that does.
D2864 wrote:
I still think ... that the benefit to the brotherhood should be the primary consideration on a mongering site that is for us gentleman. If we change because of them and we lose our site to them. ... Anyway, I'm okay, because I feel I'm putting the brotherhood ahead of the chicas on OUR site.
I agree that this is a mongering site that is for us gentleman and that the benefit to the brotherhood should be the primary consideration. But as you just said it is for us GENTLEMEN. That means that we should have at least some standards of behavior. Of course our interests SHOULD come first. For example, if we were talking about a chica who had ripped a brother off then we should post her photo whether she wanted it or not, to warn the rest of the brotherhood if for nothing else. However, barring something like that, I and others have pointed out many times why we think posting unauthorized photos works against our interests (by making all chicas less trusting or apt to allow any more photos taken even for private use). Even if you don't accept that reason, because we ARE gentlemen, we have to realize there may be times where simple ethical behavior trumps the relative minor enjoyment that violating that standard might bring.
D2864 wrote:
For those still trying to make me feel guilty, cast me an immoral monger. (Funny, immoral monger... lots of people think we are immoral from the get-go.)
Just because one violates anothers ethical code (by committing a victimless crime) does not mean one should not have any ethical standards of their own. Or are you saying that because we're mongers and are already considered immoral by some other people that we should just throw morality out the wind and do whatever we want. Hell, why not rape and murder too? No one is TRYING to make you feel guilty. We're trying to explain out ethical position. If that somehow makes you feel GUILTY then it can only mean part of you really accepts what we are saying, otherwise you would just say the hell with that and do whatever you want. Also, if we're the ones that are trying to make you feel guilty why are YOU the one that keeps bringing this subject up and eliciting our response?
D2864 wrote:
I do wonder about one thing. When the old gallery was replaced with the new gallery, why was the membership so active in promoting the idea of a new gallery if posting pictures is a bad idea? If my memory serves me correctly, I don't remember any criticism back then.
Actually, there was some concern expressed around the same time the new gallery was released
http://www.costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=73343. But, even if most members welcomed it back, there could be other explanations. For example, it could be that the problem of unauthorized photos was not as well known back then. Or maybe, if guys realized they hadn't really checked with the chicas before posting the pics, the chicas were not so aware of what the guys were doing. People also evolve and through age, wisdom and experience learn that some things they might have formerly done really aren't so good. For my part, I rarely if ever look at the photo gallery and was speaking up about personal responsibility in posting pics well before the new gallery came along (e.g.
http://www.costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=50220D2864 wrote:
Also wondering why guys who look at the gallery, who enjoy the pictures, and/or post pictures let the "select group" dictate what is morale or disrespectful or a benefit to the brotherhood.
I don't know why don't you tell us, since you seem to be one of those guys. I have heard gentlemen say why they don't post unauthorized photos and why they don't think others SHOULD but I haven't heard anyone "dictate" what anyone else CAN do. And if you think most guys really have no problem with it but are fearful of being somehow ostracised by this "select group", there is always the option of posting your pics anonymously. This is an extremely lame complaint.
D2864 wrote:
Speak up or else the gallery will continue to provide little enthusiasm for your next trip to CR, Brazil, Peru, Thailand, Mexico.....I do not condemn the gallery for I think it is something the brotherhood enjoys enormously. I think all of us enjoy laying eyes on the talent in Brazil, Peru, Thailand and more before we go so the gallery, in my opinion, is a valuable part of CRT.
The "brotherhood" casts its vote on what is important to them everyday when brothers choose whether to post or not post. If what you say is true about the gallery becoming so inadequate then it is all because of what we make it. I don't think someone who posts so few pictures himself really has any grounds for complaints. I also don't think many guys other than you joined this site so that could look at girlie pics in order to work themselves up for their upcoming trips. If that is what you want (particularly if it is just clothed ones) then you should just go to
http://ero-tica.com where you can view hundreds of really hot scantily clad ticas(?) who are much better looking than most of the pics in the VIP gallery and its completely free. And if you need pics (and information) to get worked up for trips to other countries then your would be much better advised to go to ISG, where you'll find plenty of chicpix from all over the globe and guys who share your complete lack of ethics (I'm a monger so I might as well not have any ethics and put self-interest above all else).
You can play this game all day if you want, but this is the last time I'm going to add to this absurd thread. You have your views and we have ours and neither side is going to change the other, so why do you continue to pursue it. Everybody is going to do or not do whatever they want. Just don't continue to blame some unspecified "select" cabal or clique as being responsible (or somehow preventing) for others not providing pics for your personal enjoyment. That is an individual choice for everyone (except apparently the chicas).