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Which of these would most likely cause you to give up mongering?
When and if I become involved n a commited relationship. 51%  51%  [ 31 ]
When my sex drives make it not worthwhile. (cannot perform) 39%  39%  [ 24 ]
When mentally, I can't see myself with the young ones. 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
If I get burnt painfully by a bad experience. 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:39 pm 
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Via PM I received, a thoughful member brought up a point that may be affecting my mongering. It was: "I have a daughter who just turned (less than 10) and I recently realized that she is closer to legal age than I am. It really made me think." I took out the age for privacy sake.

This certainly applies to me as I have two 18 year old girls. I would love input from those of you that actually have daugther/s around the age of 18-21 or so and how mentally it affected you, if at all.

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Pacifica55 wrote:
The guys were making comments about the various girls, you know the comments. Just then I realized that half the guys at the rail had daughters the same age as the girls they were ogling. I made a flip comment, "What would you be saying if that was your daughter down there." Man, it got quiet on the rail. No father wants to think of his daughter in a sexual role. It goes directly against his "serve and protect" mentality.


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Reminds me of the two guys bragging about all the women they had nailed in their town.

1st guy: "Yeah, I bet I've phucked every woman in this town."
2nd guy: "Even your mom and sister?"

1st guy: "Hell, no!"
2nd guy: "Well, between the two of us I guess we've done them all".

Moral of the story:
Don't worry about who's doing who, just worry about who's doing you.


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Good topic Dave, you are lucky to have an understanding wife!
I voted When and if I become involved n a commited relationship.
Thinking about this thread I realized all my extreme adrenaline-junkie hobbies have been passing fads usually lasting 4-5 yrs. and this one may be the same. It's been a blast but I honestly don't see myself doing the same thing for the next 20 yrs. whether in CR or other destinations. Maybe the next rush for me will be an LTR or even marriage, who knows? If not with a gringa then I'm interested in the civilian Colombiana scene and may give that a try. Not going to quit cold turkey for sure and may still get in some "fishing trips" down the road but lately am thinking it's time for something else. The problem with P4P is we convince ourselves that's all we really need but the truth for some of us is that we will always crave more.
I have about 5 regulars in CR that I love to screw, have fun with and like certain things about each woman but at the end of the night (and the trip) it's still all about the money. Plus the costs add up, I like top shelf chicas and nice accomodations so I'm always going to spend more than I should. Maybe the thrill is gone, I know some guys fullfill what I'm experiencing by simply going to a different country. Sure different women and cultures will be exciting for a while but then what... Seems there will always be something missing if all we do to satisfy that desire is p4p.

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Dave,
You ask for some of us who live here to respond. Well, here is my take after voting for 'a committed relationship'.
First, I gotta say the budget is part of it. If more of us had a committed relationship (here or in the states) many of us probably wouldn't have the funds/time we need to get away. For many, they find someone in the states, they just won't be spending their extra cash on trips to CR. It'll go for roses or some such nonsence. For you that might not be an issue.
Second, I've found when in 'a committed relationship', sex isn't near as high on my priority list. Sorta like when you have plenty of water, drinking is not an issue like it is when your stuck in the middle of a desert with none. To be honest, it's not worth the $50 it'd cost or the time/hassle to go search something out.
Living here and having been in a commited relationship at one point, it's not that big a deal to stay with just one person for me. Maybe I'm easily satisfied, lazy, a cheaper bastard than Circus, I'm a bit nuts or even all the above.
I like the relationship...like PL said in his post, there is just something more there that satsifies me on a bit deeper level.

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Honestly I think a lot of the guilt that is coming out in this thread is based on American Puritanical standards that say that there is something wrong/dirty about having sex.

I acknowledge that people have to define their own morality and I don't judge anyone that may see it differently.

That said, I think that men/women were created to enjoy sex and it is an important part of our general well being. Personally, I don't think there is anything better for an older guy as far as staying youthful and vital than to be banging younger women. If the younger women find it rewarding as well, then who is to say that two consenting adults should not reap the mutual rewards in having sex together?

I have an 18 year old daughter. It is an understatement that I would hope for my daughter that he would find more rewarding work than being a sex worker. But if she made the choice to go in that direction (which I seriously doubt as she is a bit of a prude herself) I would not love her any less and I would not think any less of her. All I want for my daughter is her own happiness and that is something that must come from within her. If she came to me and said "Dad I really love being a sex worker and there is nothing else that I want to do with my life". On a certain level I would be fine with it.

On another level I would be concerned, not because of the sex act itself, but because of the dangers and the pit falls for young women that work in this business. There are a lot of ass hole guys out there and there are negative consequences to working in this business and THAT would concern me, no doubt.

However, from a moral standpoint, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. If I am with a younger women, I know that I treat these women with respect and kindness, I am not promoting drug use or abuse, and as such, there is nothing morally wrong with anything that I do with them.

I stay keep on banging as long as you can get it up.

Just my opinion.

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Via PM I received, a thoughful member brought up a point that may be affecting my mongering. It was: "I have a daughter who just turned (less than 10) and I recently realized that she is closer to legal age than I am. It really made me think." I took out the age for privacy sake.

This certainly applies to me as I have two 18 year old girls. I would love input from those of you that actually have daugther/s around the age of 18-21 or so and how mentally it affected you, if at all.

Have a Great Day,

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I have an 18 year old daughter.... If she came to me and said "Dad I really love being a sex worker and there is nothing else that I want to do with my life". On a certain level I would be fine with it.

KC,
I agree with most of your post, but I feel much different than you, regarding the "daughter" comment(s) above.

I have a 17 year old daughter, and I can't imagine her coming to me, and telling me that she's a sex worker, and there's nothing else she wants to do with her life. I would NOT be fine with it on ANY level!

Personally, I would do everything in my power, and everything humanly possible, and I would spend every last dime I had, doing whatever I could, to get her out, and keep her out of that line of work.

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Mucho Gusto wrote:
I agree with most of your post, but I feel much different than you, regarding the "daughter" comment(s) above.

I have a 17 year old daughter, and I can't imagine her coming to me, and telling me that she's a sex worker, and there's nothing else she wants to do with her life. I would NOT be fine with it on ANY level!

Personally, I would do everything in my power, and everything humanly possible, and I would spend every last dime I had, doing whatever I could, to get her out, and keep her out of that line of work.

I could not agree more... This shows our values as we want the best we can have for our K*ds and want to to be high achievers in everything they do... And I, Like MG would sacrifice all I have for their benefit...

How does that relate to when and if we stop mongering, I haven't a clue... This is just a take on our family values...

As for mongering, This has probably kept me happier and less horny through the years as I realize this is my selfish mode.... As long as it doesn't affect my family adversely, it's my private fun and that's how I like to keep it...

I will stop when I damn well feel like it... In twenty years, I may be too old to cut the mustard, but I can still lick the jar... :D :D 8) 8)


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Kccostarica wrote:
I have an 18 year old daughter.... If she came to me and said "Dad I really love being a sex worker and there is nothing else that I want to do with my life". On a certain level I would be fine with it.

KC,
I agree with most of your post, but I feel much different than you, regarding the "daughter" comment(s) above.

I have a 17 year old daughter, and I can't imagine her coming to me, and telling me that she's a sex worker, and there's nothing else she wants to do with her life. I would NOT be fine with it on ANY level!

Personally, I would do everything in my power, and everything humanly possible, and I would spend every last dime I had, doing whatever I could, to get her out, and keep her out of that line of work.

Respectfully,
MG :wink:


Don't get me wrong, that is not what I would want for my daughter. NO WAY! Not by any stretch of the imagination.

But I would not judge her for it, I would not think less of her for it. It would not diminish my love for her in the slightest.

Everyone has to find their own way in life. Our Ch*ldren may make bad choices, but we should support them, no matter what. In the big scheme of things if in her heart she was happy with such a choice, she would have my support.

As a point in reality, how many of these women, with the possible exception of Pamula, are really happy in this work? Most do so out of necessity. My daughter will never find herself in this work out of "necessity", not as long as I am alive. In that case, we are on the exact same page.

But if she came to me and said "Dad this is what I really want to do with my life". I would respect it.

In reality, this discussion is entirely hypothetical. There is no chance of my daughter ending up like that. She is a talented K*D with a passion for what she does. She is also very modest and very rough on the guys she dates (takes after her mom). I am very proud of her!!!!! She is a great K*D.


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Dave wrote:
Via PM I received, a thoughful member brought up a point that may be affecting my mongering. It was: "I have a daughter who just turned (less than 10) and I recently realized that she is closer to legal age than I am. It really made me think." I took out the age for privacy sake.

This certainly applies to me as I have two 18 year old girls. I would love input from those of you that actually have daugther/s around the age of 18-21 or so and how mentally it affected you, if at all.

Have a Great Day,

Dave


Dave - we don't like to think of our mothers, sisters, and daughters as sexual beings. That makes us uncomfortable - why??? The answer is buried in years of Purtianical and Victorian attitude.

We can take on the attitude of "not my daughter" and hope to protect these K*ds as best we can....but when we are looking that 18 y/o Tica in the eye, we know she is somebody's daughter and that father probably doesn't want her doing you either....

My solution - how I keep it in perspective - and my wife helped me through this......I used to tell her that I would try to make it fun for the girls, give them massages, etc....and that I felt good that I was giving more back than most guys....and then she made the good point, she said "Maybe you do give her a good massage but she'd rather be at home with her boyfriend."

This hit home...so I think how I can and will be a mongering father is to try to be one of the most decent mongers out there. A lot of guys subscribe to the attitude of "well if I don't do it, some one else will anyway."

My attitude is more "someone else will do her unless I do her right."


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Within the human brain, it is possible to rationalize anything we want or choose to believe. How else can you explain the Holocaust, terrorism, or pedophilia for that matter? Personally I find it a little hypocritical to pursue teenage prostitutes but yet some of us would pay or do anything to keep a teenage daughter from being one, or even dating a guy our age. Psychologically, I dont think it takes a doctorate to figure out some of us are living out our own teenage fantasies that we didnt act on at that time...and trying to find our "fountain of youth" in the greatful eyes of young, poor Latinas. Again, I'm not trying to guilt trip or point fingers here. I have had my own share of "lolita" experiences...though ALWAYS of age. But, relationally I think I would be fooling myself to think I could be long term with most any of these working girls. AND, I would be foolish to risk the quality long term relationship I have over one or more of them. So, "to thine own self be true". If one can monger carefully without damaging their marriage or other committments, so be it. But as I have always tried to caution my friends here at CRT, dont mistake a fantasy for reality. Dont be another "Rolltide"...at whatever level. Its always a heartbreaker...

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Hate to bring up this point Pacifica...but no animals I know of pursue sexual relations with Babi*s or Ch*ldren of their species. How phucked up are humans? I personally believe our minds have a lot more potential control than we give credit for...and control for the right reasons.

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Hate to bring up this point Pacifica...but no animals I know of pursue sexual relations with Babi*s or Ch*ldren of their species.


Okay. Did I miss something?

Is there someone here advocating pedophilia or incest? Or is someone getting a little off track here?

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The need to protect offspring is pretty universal. Look at the lion for example: The first thing a new male does when he take a pride is to kill all the cubs that are not his, yet he will fight to the death for his pride and offspring.


This gets back to the notion that t there is something wrong or dirty with sex, especially when it relates to women.

Why do we need to protect our daughters from having a fulfilling sex life?

My daughter is an adult and I hope for her to have a happy and fulfilling sex life. It is up to her to decide what makes her happy sexually. I am her father and I choose to honor the fact that that is her business, not mine.


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