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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:42 pm 
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Well, as I said, I left in 1973 so I can't really speak for all of the people in Lincoln. Of course I have returned many times and even spent 6 weeks there this summer.

People in Nebraska have their prejudices like any place else but there are many more immigrants in Lincoln (Spanish, Vietnamese, etc) than there were when I was growing up.

Before my parents met my ex-wife they had their preconceived notions, "They only want to come to America" or "They only want a green card" but of course once they met her they loved her.

Just for the record, my ex was homesick like any of them but she adapted. I tried to anticipate as many negatives as I could before she got here so I helped her as much as I could. One thing that I hadn't considered was her sense of guilt over having such a much better life than her family.

She's been in the US (Atlanta suburbs) for almost 8 years now. Granted she does work with at least 4 other women from Colombia but she knows she has a better life here and can help her family more here.

She had some advantages in that she has a college degree and spoke fairly good English when she got here.

She goes back to Colombia about once every 18 months, calls each week (as far as I know) and still occasionally sends them some money.

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BTW, I don't think he's whining as much as he's trying to warn other gringos about the pitfalls of living in a developing country. :idea:

Gringo = "green, go! an English phrase adopted by people in Latin America to show their displeasure at U.S. military presence circa the building of the Panama Canal. I agree that the term can be used either as insult or simply descriptor... like "puta."

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I've heard that story about "Green Go" before but I've always wondered "Why would native Spanish-speaking people us the word "green" instead of verde?"

Here is some information on the term "gringo" from Wikipedia:

Some disagreement exists among English speakers regarding whether gringo is a derogatory term. The American Heritage Dictionary and other English dictionaries classify the term as "offensive slang", "usually disparaging" or "often disparaging".

The term gringo does lend itself to derogatory, paternalistic or endearing connotations sometimes, depending on the context and the intent of the user. However, many native speakers who use it do not do so pejoratively, as is also the case with some English speakers.

The enunciation of the word can often give away whether it was meant in a derogatory manner or not. There is furthermore some variation in the connotation of this word from country to country within Latin America, and between Latin America and the Anglosphere.

Meaning
* The Anglosphere: Hispanic migrants to the USA occasionally use the term as a more derogatory synonym of Anglo, though the word gabacho is often used instead.[7]

* Mexico, Central America, the Spanish-speaking Caribbean, South America: In these areas the word may mean specifically a citizen of the United States. In the popular column, "Ask A Mexican" the author states the Mexicans do not refer to North Americans as gringos. The author says that the proper term is gabacho as used by native Mexicans to refer to US citizens.[7] Gabacho is mainly a border-region term, though.

* In Central America, the word is not pejorative, merely used to refer to a person from North America. In the Caribbean (especially Cuba and Dominican Republic the term refers to U.S. citizens. In the Dominican Republic it also means a non-free range store bought chicken (pollo gringo).[1] In Puerto Rico, the term refers to American Citizens in the U.S. mainland.

* In South America (excluding Venezuela), the word is not pejorative. In some countries it may be used to refer to any foreigner who does not speak Spanish, but in other countries it is used just or especially to refer to U.S. citizens.

* In Peru the word gringo is generally often used in the countryside (sierra) for all Europeans and North Americans of white skin. In Lima, gringo is also used to refer to Peruvian white people, not only to U.S citizens. It is not pejorative.[citation needed]
* In Brazil the word gringo is used to refer to foreigners from any country, not only the United States.[2]

Etymology

According to the Spanish etymologist Joan Coromines, gringo is derived from griego (Spanish for "Greek"), the proverbial name for an unintelligible language (a usage found also in the Shakespearean "it was Greek to me" and its derivative "It's all Greek to me"). From referring simply to language, it was extended to people speaking foreign tongues and to their physical features - similar to the development of the ancient Greek word βάρβαρος (bárbaros), "barbarian".[8][9][10]

Still, scholars are not in agreement about the correct origin of this word.[3]

You'll have to click on the link to read the footnotes and references:
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Excellent, Wit! :D

The "Green go" story was told to me by a profesor of Central American literature.

The reason for using English was so that the green uniformed soldiers would understand! Simple as that.

The griego theory seems more likely.

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El Ciego wrote:
Gringo = "green, go! an English phrase adopted by people in Latin America to show their displeasure at U.S. military presence circa the building of the Panama Canal.


EC,

Etymologists frequently mention and then quickly dismiss this explanation. One compelling reason is because the word "gringo" appears in literature prior to the above.

Witling, thanks for the additional info. I don't believe, in general, that "gringo" is intended as a pejorative in Costa Rica.

I believe, however, that 'puta,' while it may be a descriptor when used by folks on CRT, is not a word that prostitutes in Costa Rica like to be called. There might be exceptions, but they generally find it to be offensive. Of course, this is based on my own research and anecdotal evidence.


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Mr. Sullivan was on the mark, more or less, with his facts. I've either experienced most of what he's talking about or have friends who went trhough it. ON THE OTHER HAND...

I live in the heart of San Jose and am totally uninterested in returning to the USA. I attribute our different attitudes to a couple of things.

1. The guy is married. He seems like a straight arrow type, and probably doesn't partake of all the available nookie here. Scratch one of the main attractions of CR.

2. The guy is an attorney. Not all attorneys are rich, but plenty of them make a very good living. He probably doesn't care that you can live more cheaply here. He probably lives in a nice suburb where the only 3rd world people he meets are those who take care of his expansive yard. It is quite possible to live in the USA without ever coming in contact with poverty, except perhaps while driving on the interstate and glancing out the window of your Lexus.

I don't like the garbage and the pissing on the streets. I don't like the potholes, I don't like the poverty. But I realize that most of the negatives here spring from the poverty here. But it's the very same poverty that makes a fat, 58 year old gringo get laid as often as he wants. It's the same poverty that makes my rent HALF of what I was paying in medical insurance. It's the same poverty that makes me upper middle class here and lower middle class there. It's the same poverty that allows me to live well here on an amount that would be poverty in the USA.

There's also the climate.

So yes, if you want Omaha, Omaha is the place to be. If don't care about chasing chicas and have enough money to pay US prices for everything you want and need, and don't mind working till you're 65 (or more) then Omaha wins, climate excepted. If you can afford it, there's always Hawaii.

In my case, I prefer spending my days as I please rather than spending all day in a law office (or a cubicle, in my case). I prefer a different girl every night (in theory) to the same woman night after night. Different strokes for different folks.

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Bilko,

Your's is an excellent perspective. Mr. Sullivan was not sufficiently advised as to what to expect. More importantly, he was not sufficiently motivated to live in Costa Rica. It appears that the folks who make the US-Costa Rica transition the best are the ones who know what they are getting into, engage in the balancing analysis, and decide that they are willing to take the risks. You did your homework and are willing to accept the downsides. Your post suggests that its all about knowledge and attitude.

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One thing that I hadn't considered was her sense of guilt over having such a much better life than her family.
Thanks for sharing this Wit. It is something I have not experienced with the direct Latinas I have been close with. Many of the ones I know either came from families with money or have done very well on their own & they have higher educations. Many of them are very remarkable people :) 8) .

I have to really admire this type of thinking she has as it is sooooo from the heart. This is exactly what pulls me to these Latinas. They have great dedication & a big heart with their families. I never had this growing up so I guess it is like a magnet for me. I still live life in practice like PacoLoco’s survival theory of the laws of Screw-a-tivity. It is not so much “Shit Happens” as much as it is Let shit happen & it will!

There certainly are some complications with cross cultural marriages but a person can turn then into a great thing if you are prepared & willing to work at it. It sure adds some dynamics that make life less boring.

El Ciego I still think he is a Whiner. :lol: :lol:

Maybe we should make this thread into something special about the hidden pitfalls of living & marring a non working Latina in Latin America?

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I just spoke with my brother-in-law and he couldn't find any listing for a Timothy P. Sullivan in Lincoln, Nebraska in the telephone book.

The point I was trying to make in my first post was that most guys in the US can't be compared to the majority of the guys on CRT. They don't have the experience most of us have in international travel. If they have traveled it's usually on a cruise, a tour or with their wives.

They seldom get down to the nitty-gritty like many of us so they can't possibly understand how these people live or their culture.

I don't think he was whining as much as he was just expressing his culture shock.

I saw a guy pissing on a wall on Calle 11 just around the corner from Sportsmens Lodge last year. I've seen men pissing on walls in Santo Domingo, DR on Maximo Gomez Ave. One of the main streets.

I remember one time when I took a young lady in Santo Domingo and her 4 yr old daughter to the zoo. As we were walking down some steps she stops, drops her daughter's shorts and lets her take a leak right there. Hell, she could have at least taken her behind the nearby tree.

When I asked her why she did that she said, "It was an emergency, she had to go". Different culture indeed.


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Witling wrote:
I just spoke with my brother-in-law and he couldn't find any listing for a Timothy P. Sullivan in Lincoln, Nebraska in the telephone book.

Maybe he's still in San Jose.



He is still listed as active by the Nebraska Bar Assn, and has an address in Lincoln.
http://www.nebar.com/publicinfo/lawyersearch.asp

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Ciao,
Yeah, I found another Bar listing. He might be back in Lincoln since his liability insurance was signed in November, 2006.

I actually found 5 listings online for Timothy Sullivan in Lincoln but it's not worth it for me to pay to get the numbers.

I called the law office number and the message did list "Tim Sullivan" as one of the lawyers. I'll give him a call tomorrow and see what I can find out.


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This is out of the recent edition of AM Costa Rica Oct. 12 2007
As educated as this guy is did he not travel to CR prior to moving there?


Well, he could have experienced half of the stuff that he mentioned in any large, metropolitan U.S. city. I have seen the same in Philadelphia and New York, for example. :) :)


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The lilly white lincoln attorny probably never camped out a day in his life , caught, cleaned and cooked his own food, never played in the dirt as a K*D. He seems like a whiney little basterd to me. He is probably smart as he made it through college and law school but failed to do his research on this chica. My guess is after this chica smeared that Costa Rican pu*sy all over him, he was blinded. I would relate marriage to a chica as to a wild exotic flower, they are beautiful and thrive when in their natural habit, once picked they wilt quickly.


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