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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:23 pm 
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I think the act of giving them SOMEthing beyond just cash helps both of you better harbor the illusion that what you're each doing is more than basically just a commercial sex transaction and that in turn will lead to better session for both of you as well. Others may disagree but I think most of these chicas don't want to see themselves as hookers and many enjoy the BFFE as much as we enjoy the GFFE, even if ultimately in reality it mostly comes down to cash for them


I totally agree with what you say, but it all comes down to that it is an illusion...

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I totally agree with what you say, but it all comes down to that it is an illusion...
:? So? :?

What difference does it make to us if she fakes an orgasm as long as she's a REALLY good actress? And what difference does it make to her if all we're really interested in is getting better sex out of her as long as we give her the ILLUSION that its REALLY something more by treating her like a REAL friend instead of just some whore we give money to?

GFFE is not a 4 letter word, as long as you don't let it get out of hand. Actually, it's a 4 letter acronym.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:43 am 
Gifts... turning them into gringas plain and simple.

DON'T DO IT!


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Here are a couple of things about gifts:

1) DO NOT expect that giving a gift will get her to lower her price. Think about it. Do you pay your barber in cash, or do you pay him in cash and baseball cards? They want the money. That gift is cute, but it wont pay their electricity bill.

I see this a lot with new guys. They spend a bunch of money on a chica (drinks, dinner, flowers, etc), THEN they expect the chica to lower her price. Why would she,? She can't use the dinner you paid $25 to buy her K*D shoes. This is a business, pay your bills in cash, any other gifts are just that, gifts.

2) Gifts can improve the experience, however, giving them the gift BEFORE the sex is basically rewarding them for nothing. The gift becomes worthless. So, unless you plan on repeating with this girl or making her your favorita/novia it becomes kinda pointless to give gifts.

3)It can start a pattern of the chica expecting a gift from you every time you see her. Example: I gave a pretty little tica a nice (but cheap) gift on one of my trips. I took her back to my hotel again on my next trip and one of the first things she said was "Tienes un regalo para mi?" Translation "Do you have a gift for me?" It kinda made me regret giving her the gift to begin with.

4)Watch out for the chica network. If you give a few girls gifts and the word gets out, you may find yourself in the situation where new girls EXPECT a gift from you because her amiga told her you give all the girls gifts. Now giving a gift only gets you normal service, and not giving a gift could piss them off.

Personal opinion is that if this is your first trip down there, don't worry about gifts. You may not be back soon enough to reap the dividends of giving the gift. If you are going down there regularly you MAY want to consider giving gifts, but if you do, I would make it cheap and definately infrequent. If you give a chica a gift every time you are with her, she expects it and her performance won't improve. If you give infrequently, she will more likely do her best, because she never knows if she is getting a gift or not. For more information about scheduling reinforcement read the works of B.F. Skinner and operant conditioning.


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Good points made. Thanks for the responses.

Maybe it would be better just to bring some candies/chocloates. It is cheap and no so much a gift as a token. (excellent point made by another poster about token vs. gift of value) I had good luck giving chocolate to the ZB girls. I think they knew I had a good supply of candy in my room and that made them more inclined to try to get me to take them upstairs. So they were more outgoing/flirtatious and, for me, that makes for a much better session, which is what I'm after anyway.


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That was me that differentiated between token gifts and tip gifts. I also think that Count Dante offered up an EXCELLENT list of guidelines. I would only disagree that IF the gift is really nothing more than a token, which as I said is all it should be, then it isn't necessarily a bad thing to offer it at the beginning before you receive services (eg with candies) or at least lay it out as an incentive that they can claim afterwards if you're happy. Remember a gift is something more than just a simple reward for providing exceptional services. That is what the tip is for whether it be in the form of gift or cash, which is what probably they'd really like. A token is really more of an icebreaker than a reward, much like offering a guest a drink when they arrive at your house. It is meant to soften the tone of the meeting to be something a bit friendlier than just a commercial exchange.

BTW, some other gifting advice, be careful how you present the gift. Either dole it carefully, choosing what you will pull out to offer them, or if you present them with choices making it clear what they can take. Some chicas can get pretty grabby when presented with such booty.

I've heard of one guy who has an interesting approach. He brings lots of little items from the dollar store - perfume samplers, lipstick, costume jewelry, berets, candy (btw, hard candy is less likely to melt in your bag than chocolate), even coloring books and matchbox cars for her K*ds. Then he lays it out on a table in his room and takes a picture. When he's in the bar he uses the picture of the gift-rewards as part of his pitch promising she gets to pick 1 or 2 at the end of their session if she does a good job. Finally, aftet the session he goes back to the bar with the chica while she shows off her prizes with her friends and persumably tells all of them what a nice upfront and honest guy he is, which he can then use to his advantage on the next chica he is with. He's got the technique refined a bit more than I've described but thats the gist of it. I'm not saying how well this approach will work and haven't tried this myself, but he swears by it.


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[quote="Prolijo"] BTW, some other gifting advice, be careful how you present the gift. Either dole it carefully, choosing what you will pull out to offer them, or if you present them with choices making it clear what they can take. Some chicas can get pretty grabby when presented with such booty. [quote]

Prolijo - funny you would bring this up. During my last stay at ZB I knew Nicole liked M&Ms so I stopped by the AutoMercado and bought a pack of M&Ms and 3 other chocolate candy bars. I sat next to Nicole on a couch and opened the bag and presented her with the M&Ms. ( she was thrilled) A chica I also sessioned with before saw this occurance and came over. I handed her the bag, thinking she'd pick one of the three candy bars, then turned my attention back to Nicole. I looked up to see the other chica had already left with the whole bag. I felt stupid for handing it to her with no instruction so I let it go. You hit the nail on the head here.... This did surprise me a little as this same chica was in my room before and I offered her some candy and/or gum. I had a full pack of gum and a 1/2 pack and she knowlingly took the 1/2 pack.

I realize I started this thread as a discussion regarding gifts but I am now seeing the wisdom of keeping it simple with little tokens. The distinction you draw (Prolijo) escaped me before but I now see the benefit of keeping it simple - like $1 items - toys, crayons, candies, etc.

Thanks for the good responses. I will be sure to report back after my next trip. I picture myself with a Halloween candy bowl of sorts in the room.


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Based on information I read here on the forum (and from my personal adviser), I took some chocolate bars and a few panties along my first trip to reward good behavior from the girls and as thank you gifts to staff such as bartenders and hotel workers. Chocolate bars from See's, $1.25, panties on sale at Victoria's Secret, $4.00. Well worth the price in terms of name recognition, particularly with hotel staff such as check-in clerks and maids. I'm not much of a tipper, at least with the indies. MP girls will usually get some sort of nominal propina based on performance. I will continue this practice, maybe with some slight variations, but I can't imagine regularly giving a $10 - $15 gift . . . as some have said, it seems to me it's hard to pay the bills with a dinner that's been eaten or a necklace that has to be pawned.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:17 pm 
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I'm a gift giving person. It has helped my experience in San Jose. I always remember the reservationist at the hotel. Remember the bellman who will remember your name and help to watch your back. Take care of the waitress who makes sure your food is done right.

Regarding the ladies, they remember the t-shirts that have your college logo and help you cheer your team on. You don't have to be extravagant to be remembered. Our legacy is to be remembered by the deeds we do and by who remembers us.

In my local pub I always bring in candy to share with my friends and pretty ladies. They remember me as the candyman. 8)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:29 pm 
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Crookedcr wrote:
Good points made. Thanks for the responses.

Maybe it would be better just to bring some candies/chocloates. It is cheap and no so much a gift as a token. (excellent point made by another poster about token vs. gift of value) I had good luck giving chocolate to the ZB girls. I think they knew I had a good supply of candy in my room and that made them more inclined to try to get me to take them upstairs. So they were more outgoing/flirtatious and, for me, that makes for a much better session, which is what I'm after anyway.


Chocolate , is perfect gift and will as far as the gold bracelet trinket.
They wont lower your price but it may improve performance and timeliness


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:42 am 
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In Tijuana, I usually bring along small bottles of Victoria Secret sprays and lotions. I use them as a tip. You can get 5 bottles for $20. This last CR trip I brought along a few bottles of body shampoo from Wal-Mart for the post session shower. The KL/BM ticas loved it. I thought everyplace had it but apparently is not available or too expensive in CR. I gave two of the bottles out as gifts to favoritas and they were extremely happy. $2 gift equals happy tica, how can you go wrong?

Last year I was in Tijuana for Christmas and brought about $200 worth of gifts, girlie stuff and toys for the K*ds for a couple of favoritas I know that had been hit hard with bills that year. In return, since they had nothing to give me, I got a red hot tln from each one as a Christmas present (thier idea). I think in CR with the right favorita a gift could result in a good freebie session. But the gift would have have to be expensive, and as affordable as sessions are in CR,it would be better to limit gift giving to small and cheap things.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:01 am 
I think it totally depends on the girl, your relationship with her and the situation. I think they can be effective, but not if you are doing it just to do it.

I brought a pizza to a hungry chica at an MP yesterday. Talk about the perfect gift at the perfect time. I got a ton of play out of that!!! I have now crossed over into being a friend as well as a customer with this girl. There is no question that sessions are of better quality when they like you. It might not make much difference in price, but that does comes into play too. I have one "friend" that lets me crash with her at her place and doesn't charge me dime. It is all because of the chemistry between us and I have NEVER bought her a gift!

Vanessa at ZB is a perfect example of this for me. Many rave about her. I have never a thing for her, but I decided to give her a spin the other day. It was totally mechanical, a very business like session. Never again. I know from reports of others, that she can be awesome. However, there is no chemistry between us, so the session was dead. I can see where she is a nice girl, but she is not for me. No gift will change that.

I think a gift can help build chemistry if it is already there, chemistry can get you better deals, but a gift won't buy you chemistry. It has to be there. In the right situations, a gift can help build some chemistry. In other situations, you are just a sucker. What a game! I love it!


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I think the act of giving them SOMEthing beyond just cash helps both of you better harbor the illusion that what you're each doing is more than basically just a commercial sex transaction and that in turn will lead to better session for both of you as well. Others may disagree but I think most of these chicas don't want to see themselves as hookers and many enjoy the BFFE as much as we enjoy the GFFE, even if ultimately in reality it mostly comes down to cash for them


I totally agree with what you say, but it all comes down to that it is an illusion...

Iggy... :P


HA HA ........ Many would say the exact same thing about wedding rings!!!!!

I agree with all of the above.


However, one mans illusion is another mans fantasy. I embrace the fantasy! It makes the whole thing a lot more fun and if you can find a chica to share the fantasy with you, then more power to you because you are going to have a WAY better time than those that look at it as a pure financial transaction. I can promise you that much.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:27 am 
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It was a automatic responce from a chica fav to ask for a gift on my return. And I told her the gift was between my legs. She laughed and said "si my favorite"

I later gave her a oldie but goodie cell phone.
It didn't lower the price, but it did improve service, unreal.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:49 pm 
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I ALWAYS give a little gift & it is always appreciated & I am gracoiusly thanked for it over & over & over.
EVERY girl I session with gets a little"pearl necklace".
Seems a little goes a long way...... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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