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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:16 am 
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However I am afflicted with the disease which you might have called the American Male syndrome. As such, I have been programmed to fix all things which need fixing, to right all things wrong, and to come to the assistance of all those less fortunate than I. At times these are good traits. At times they can be fatal.


Bullseye. Many of us are afflicted with that disease.

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Sending mass emails is part of the business. She will receive some money from somebody,hopefullly it's not you.


In my business, sales, we have a saying we refer to as SW3. "Some will, some won't, so what....NEXT." Chicas are nothing more than sales people displaying their wares in the Del Rey or any other establishment. Sales is just a numbers game. The more times you play the better chance you have to win. Pretty simple philosophy. As our state lottery will tell you, "you can't win if you don't play."

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:24 am 
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When I vacationed here for 3 years before moving here permanantly,I NEVER even once received a RFM. The reason was simple....I didn't give my e-mail or telephone number to ANY chicas. Simple but efficient answer to all the RFMs. Not giving out this info reduces the chances of financial and emotional attachments. So I must deduce that you guys are encouraging these requests because you like the emotional part but not the financial. Sorry but they go hand in hand.

Also this is the Christmas season where ALL charities increase their RFMs.Why should your local Puta be any different.

Understand my friend that if you have already given her $700 for whatever time you have spent,you have become a major benefactor to her family's existance. The average wage in a straight job is around $2800/year so you have already given her 25% of what her straight friends make IN A YEAR. Most successful fund raisers understand that you go back to the well as often as possible because these are the steady givers. Putas are smart fund raisers. They don't spend too much time chasing the losers. (those being the ones who say no FIRMLY) However have no fear that she will "dump you" for saying no.The next time you are in town with another pocket full of hundreds she will be your lover,and best friend all over again,and won't even mention her RFM denial from you.


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... you guys are encouraging these requests because you like the emotional part but not the financial. Sorry but they go hand in hand.


Good point, VB. As I mentioned, I accept this as a part of the cost of enjoying not only the sexo but the nights out on the town dining, dancing, and karaoking :?: I do not mean to hint I was shocked to receive the RFM. And it should not be totally unexpected that it came at Christmas time.

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Understand my friend that if you have already given her $700 for whatever time you have spent,you have become a major benefactor to her family's existance. The average wage in a straight job is around $2800/year so you have already given her 25% of what her straight friends make IN A YEAR.


Another good point, and a point I was attempting to make in my reply. As such I refuse to believe she is as pennyless now as she claims. Again, from my perspective it is all part of the game. Likewise is my response. And yes, perhaps I have been a little too concerned with how gently I phrase the de ninguna manera response. As you say, I am sure when I return with another wallet full of green American dollars she will be my lover (aka novia, amiga, puta or whatever euphamism you care to use) once more.


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I am a guy who responded to a request for money. I will never do it again. Because all you are doing is paying in advance. And that is a no no and effects the performance.

I also sent to much which allows them to think about diching you or spending a whole week with you and not getting paid because in your mind you have all ready paid. And they only screw you for the money in your pocket not the money in their pocket.

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[/quote]And they only screw you for the money in your pocket not the money in their pocket.[quote]

Love that and so true.

Don't do it. A polite "no" is best. Keep the future opportunities open for the future for yourself. She may also respect you more for not being a push over gringo.

Though I'm a newbie to CR, but not to mongering. It's always about the money and paying them to leave rather than draw you into the complicated messy drama that is the life they lead. [/quote]


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DELAWARE GUY

Don't change a thing. Your response was clear, firm and to the point..

She will be looking forward to earning more money when you get here.

I usually handle the family different.... I tell the girl up front ... Im not interested in knowing her K*ds,,, mother... or any family. I don't get along with my family...and have told most of them where to go... why should I have endure another's family? And believe me they understand because most familys are just a pain in the azz... Then they secretly say they wish they could do the same

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I was thinking about this and I was curious how (and if) RFM's existed 15-20 years ago. I assume they started with the invention of email in the mid 90's. I doubt anybody gave them their home address so they could write a letter. On second thought, they would probably be too lazy to actually write one, address an envelope, buy a stamp, and go to the post office to mail it out. :lol: Email makes it so easy.

Maybe the guys who have been traveling since the 80's can tell me. Were there RFM's around at that time? Or did they just ask for more money at the time of sale.

DG,
Dont worry about it. No matter how you say NO, she will act as if nothing happened when you return. After my first trip, I received my one and only RFM and promptly said NO (including "I thought you were different from all the rest..."). When I returned I called her and she came over and nothing was ever mentioned regarding the RFM.

They don't actually expect you to send money, so they don't get offended. They just take a shot and hope to find that one dumb gringo who will send money.


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Delawareguy,

With all due respect I'm going to be direct with you in giving my opinion. DO NOT RESPOND TO HER RFM. Do not get caught in this web of lies and deceit in corresponding with her.

Think about it. Youve made a trip to CR and had sex with a working girl and you paid her well for her time to be with you. You have spent a little over a week with her and there's no way that you would know who she really is or what she is really like until you have spend more time with her. Since you can't know her that well, it would be wise for you to put into consideration that she may be trying to play you into giving her some money, out of your kindness and sympathy towards her, and that since she is doing this to you, she could be doing it to other guys also.

If she is someone special, a really nice person, and does care about you then she would not risk loosing a possible long term friendship or relationship by asking for money after only meeting you one time and very briefly. SHE IS TESTING YOU. She wants to see if you are another dumb gringo that just sent the money and be her sugar daddy. If she really needs the money, she can certainly work like she did before.

I have been going to CR over 11 years and have met many beautiful, lovely and kindhearted Colombianas who have Ch*ldren, have sick family members, and very poor but have never once been asked to send money. They wouldn't even considered such a thing, asking money from someone they had just met one time and don't even know much about the person. If the ladies seriouly think that you are a nice person to know and respect, she would not imposed on you for such a request.

The very few times that I have mistakely gave my email to a couple of Colombianas and got an RFM, I just completely ignore it and never reply. The next time I saw them, they came over and apologized for asking me for money. I told them that if we were good friends and have known each other for a while, I would have been glad to help them out, as a friend, if they really needed the money. As such, I was insulted that they thought I was a dumb gringo who would send money to just anybody and I don't think I should spend any more time with them.

My advice to you is forget about this one and get her out of your mind. There are more women in CR that you have not meet and who could really need your money much more than this one. Help them instead.

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They don't actually expect you to send money, so they don't get offended. They just take a shot and hope to find that one dumb gringo who will send money.


This is totally true. Its just a game to them. If you give them money, they perceive you to be a bigger sucker upon your next trip to CR.

Case in point... one year ago I had a ridiculously crazy and dramatic RFM. Her baby was VERY sick. I posted it on the board - do a search. I responded with the CORRECT answer. Something like this... "I want to help but will only give you money when I'm in CR.... blah... blah." She was cool with it. When I returned, I saw her baby, who DID have a cold. He had shot marks on his ass and a runny and irrated nose. Seriously, Babi*s get sick all the time. What can you do but give them baby aspirin, and some TLC??? All of which is free in CR, if you use the CAJA.

She LOVED ME MORE on my next trip. The whole RFM thing was dropped. IMHO... if I would have given her money, she would have played me for a fool.

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Orange wrote:
I was thinking about this and I was curious how (and if) RFM's existed 15-20 years ago. I assume they started with the invention of email in the mid 90's. I doubt anybody gave them their home address so they could write a letter. On second thought, they would probably be too lazy to actually write one, address an envelope, buy a stamp, and go to the post office to mail it out. :lol: Email makes it so easy.

Maybe the guys who have been traveling since the 80's can tell me. Were there RFM's around at that time? Or did they just ask for more money at the time of sale.


Interesting point, Orange...I'd also be curious to hear the answer to this.

Personally, I've never gotten an RFM. If I did though, I'm confident I wouldn't be sending anything. Chitrekker & others above are correct when they say that it's a test. Personally, I sort of equate it to Britain & France appeasing Hitler. And we all know how THAT worked out.. :roll:

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Gentlemen,

Is it not true that all employees receive a bonus check for the holiday season? :roll: Paco Loco and Vegas Bob, please hand out the checks :lol:

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I was thinking about this and I was curious how (and if) RFM's existed 15-20 years ago. I assume they started with the invention of email in the mid 90's. I doubt anybody gave them their home address so they could write a letter. On second thought, they would probably be too lazy to actually write one, address an envelope, buy a stamp, and go to the post office to mail it out. Email makes it so easy.

Maybe the guys who have been traveling since the 80's can tell me. Were there RFM's around at that time? Or did they just ask for more money at the time of sale


Good point. Home addresses and phone numbers seem unlikely and I agree that Email makes it simpler than ever before. However, Western Union has always been around so I guess where there's a will, there's a way. :P


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This is a little long so bear with me. I received the following request for money the other day. Before I send my answer I have decided to post the request and my proposed response here for a little feedback. For background I spent more than a week, including several TLNs, with this woman who shall remain nameless. My aim is to let her know I understand her request and where it is coming from, but that I have no intention of accommodating it. However, I have no desire to upset her or cause her distress. I am open to any and all comments, criticisms, suggestions, and especially Spanish corrections.

First, her letter:

Hola mi amor, espero que tu estes bien y que todo con tu hija salga bien, ahorita ando un poco preocupada y triste porque ya se acerca la navidad y no tengo dinero para regalarle a mis hijos. Tu ya sabias algo de esto si tu eres amable quiero que me regales algo para mis hijos, disculpa que te moleste pero en verdad los necesito. No pienses nada malo sobre mi porque yo a ti te quiero muchisimo y tu sabes cual es mi situacion ya que tu conoces mi casa y mis hijos. Bueno amor te mando un beso y un abrazo, espero que regreses pronto, por favor escribeme!
Chao


Briefly she is worried because Christmas is coming and she doesn’t have anything for her sons so she is asking if I can give her something for them because she likes me muchisimo and because I know her situation with her house and her Ch*ldren.

Now my proposed response:

Sé que tú tienes que hacer tu negocio. Por eso no pienso malo sobre ti. Entiendo tu situación con tu casa y tus hijos. También sé que eres muy pobre y que la vida en Costa Rica por una mujer sola con dos hijos es muy difícil.

Sin embargo, sé que casi todas las mujeres en Costa Rica piden dinero de sus amigos en Estados Unidos. Es una parte del trabajo. También sé que te pagué $700 hace un mes. Y que muchos Costa Ricenses no ganan $700 en 3 o 4 meses. También claro que debe haber ganado un poco dinero después de me fuera. No entiendo donde fue más de $700 en un mes.

Por lo tanto, no voy a mandarte dinero ahora. Lo siento.

David


In summary I have responded that I understand where she is coming from, that it is part of her business, and that I recognize her situation in life with her Ch*ldren. But I also recognize that many women in CR request money from their friends in the US, that I paid her well for the time we spent together and I don’t understand where all that money plus whatever else she may have earned in the meantime has gone so I am not going to send her money now.

Comments? Suggestions? Am I being unnecessarily harsh or conversely too easy? I will hold off for a couple of days before sending the response.

The best response would be no response at all, just ignore her BS.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:52 pm 
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The best response would be no response at all, just ignore her BS.


Agreed...

or donate in America.


You can help

- Assist families in need
- Help abused women and Ch*ldren
- Shelter homeless families and individuals
- Addiction services (drug, alcohol, gambling)
- Care for the elderly


with your donation to Salvation Army:

https://secure4.salvationarmy.org/donations.nsf/donate?openform&projectid=USN-2006Christmas

or any other organization to help someone in REAL need.

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The best response would be no response at all, just ignore her BS.
I agree with this logic :wink: ! I never saw any advantage to staying in contact with them unless it was needed for just a return trip to repeat with them & that communication I would only make a few days in advance of your return since their attention span is so short being side tract with so many cocksmen they hangout with.

Who really wants to stay in close contact anyway? Makes little sense to me after all they are what they are. Say for example you find one & start doing the dance with her & it goes way beyond the typical situation where both parties have a keen interest in each other for real :lol: . To me it seems more logical to say at the end of the time let's just kiss & say good by, when I return I will try to contact you. It makes you more of a mystery I believe like this that you have that kind of control of your life. They would know you are not a lonely type of guy & think more of you on a return trip I believe. To stay in contact after we have spoiled them for a week or two then you have to say NO to the inevitable RFMs that are sure to come. Then you have put more of a tarnish on yourself when you return. If in NO contact they remember the last thing that happened, what a cool guy 8) you were & how much fun you had last time you were in town.

It is always what have you done for me lately & I wouldn't want them thinking the last time I talked to this guy he said NO. The fantasy lasts longer too me with them if you stay at a distance & everyone can ponder what if :? ?

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You can help

- Assist families in need
- Help abused women and Ch*ldren
- Shelter homeless families and individuals
- Addiction services (drug, alcohol, gambling)
- Care for the elderly

This is an interesting thought too me. We seem to want to donate more there than here. I see this in myself also. I see plenty of Gringas where I live & they are an absolute disaster (& this is being nice) that when I see them I just turn the other way not wanting to even know they exist :? ! Yet when in CR or other Latina countries I seem to want to help more there than here. I believe the reason why is I see right thru the gringas self made self destruct' hopelessly insane ways :lol: ! Many Latinas appear to be Very bright eyed & some still have bushy tails :o ! I guess I see many Latinas who I sense appear to be so genuine & real with many problems beyond their control not being self inflicted compared to the typical huge self inflected mess gringa who has far more options at her disposal :o .

Even though the male..ish urge of helping the damsile in distress pops up for about 10 seconds I quickly flush these foolish thoughts far away. I just never even get these 10 seconds of foolish urges with the down & out gringas :shock: . I never ever sent money & happy I didn't seeing that 100% of the guys I know of that did this did not have a happy ending.

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