www.CostaRicaTicas.com

Sure you could.

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It seems the #1 goto cautionary tale referred to on CRT has always been, "The Saga of Roll Tide."

I think there is now one to overtake it.

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I'll tell you who the winners are in all this, it's the CRT.com advertisers! I count 20,000 views between the two threads related to Cuba Dave. One thread alone has 12,000. The unduplicated views must be at least 10,000 plus. Pretty sweet for banner advertisers and sponsors.

(Please no conspiracy theories!)

I hate that this conversation is still going on and I am beginning to hate my self for contributing to it.
But people won't accept the truth. As US citizens we are guests in this country. The majority of the people on this board come to this country to do something that is legal here but for the most part not legal in our own country and our own country would prefer that we not come here. But as guests we are given privileges by our hosts. There are no laws to protect us. The hosts make the rules and can do any thing they want to us if we violate these rules.

I think these rules are obvious. The basic rules are:

1. Be kind and polite to yours hosts.
2. Do not bring attention to yourself.
3. Do not bring attention to what you do in this country.
4. Do not scheme or lie to bring profit to yourself whether the profit is just self esteem or monetary while you are here or as result of being here.
5. Of course follow the laws that do exist in the country but the top four are just as important.

There might be some other rules but CD has certainly violated these. And much as it might offend the senses of people who are brought up by the standards of the US legal system and as much as what they are doing to him might seem unfair by US standards there is nothing we can do or say about it. We are nothing more than guests with a privilege. They make the rules. If they start hassling people who don't obviously break these rules then we have problems. But right now it's just CD's problem and they can do anything they want to him and we have to accept that and learn a lesson from this. It's that simple.

+ 1000.... perfectly stated. Thank you! IMO, as visitors, we should all follow these 5 basic rules!

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• Work Hard!
• Play Hard!
• Have Fun!
• No Drama!!

I think it's important to remember that CD may not have broken the CR law "while he was on CR soil". So as much as we want to draw up rules of conduct, you need to remember that his situation really comes down to personal interpretation of CR law. I am sure this is what they are grappling with as well.

The top 4 rules are open to interpretation, but the spirit of the rules is what really matters. Just remember that being an asshole isn't illegal in any country that I am aware of. So we need to separate the 'personal opinions' of CD versus the specific charges that they will eventually levy against him.

THAT ... is all that matters.

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+1000

These two things can be interchangeable for #1 Cautionary Tale.

Don't fall in love with working girls + Don't piss off the locals ie. break THEIR laws, embarass them etc.

Sorry double post

But BD you miss my whole point. Now that they have him they are going find find laws on the books to prosecute him. But if he hadn't abused his privileges as a guest he likely would not have been arrested to begin with and they would not be doing this. He certainly has done enough to abuse these privileges on their soil.

Yes it can be illegal to be an ass hole. If you come to my house, you are a guest and I make the rules. If you act like an ass hole I am going to kick your ass out. If you do damage to my house or perhaps even slander me or try to hurt my reputation, I can try to have you arrested or find laws to bring suit against you.

CD is in the same situation in CR.

You certainly can be arrested for being an asshole. It depends on where you are and to whom you are being an asshole. And as you say, laws are open to interpretation. I wouldn't chance it here in CR. Cops can be very creative if need be.

When I discovered Costa Rica and mongering in 2003, I had a similar idea to start a website and establish a travel agency to bring fellow mongers to the gulch, I had the advertising and marketing plans and thought introducing clients to proven performers and giving tours, etc. would be a fun money maker.

I had a wealthy friend ready to invest and bankroll everything, we plotted and planned, I even met a guy down here with a fledgling established travel agency who wanted in.

I talked with a Costa Rica atty about the plan and got an earful. He jokingly told me I would have to get a different atty because he would be using all his time bailing me out of trouble and would neglect his other clients. Seriously, he warned me why it was a bad idea and the same sad fate that has befallen CD would be awaiting me.

I've made many stupid and irresponsible choices in my life but this was one I had the smarts to avoid.

I've also been warned not to have lewd pics on my cellphone of girls I met, your phone can be reviewed at the airport and if the girl looks young there could be a problem. if mongers insist on doing this (and I once did) I recommend emailing these pics to your email and removing them from your phone or camera asap.

From what I've learned, mongers are generally safe (but not always) encountering girls in MP's, Del Rey, etc. and bragging to their buddies about their encounters but once the line is crossed where a monger is encouraging others to do the same via social media whether they profit financially or not, they place themselves at risk.

As for CD, I don't know him but I met him once, he was cordial to me. It does appear he knowingly pushed the envelope and placed himself in danger, but at his age, 4 years in a CR jail could very well be a death sentence. I hope he somehow gets off maybe with being banned from Costa Rica but people who know Costa Rica are not optimistic.

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It's important not to imagine boundaries of the word. Being an asshole does not imply breaking any laws. One man's definition of an 'asshole' could be another's definition of a friend. But it doesn't mean there's arrestable offences committed.

An asshole may break laws, but that is a different thing altogether.

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theres been some finger pointing throughout but there is an angle that i didn't see discussed
how many girls making complaints would get authorities motivated? 1? 5? 10?
the guy was well recognized by his own practices
if a complaint was lodged and people reported seeing him...just a thought

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riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of hollywood

Why is it important? The law CubaDave is alleged to have violated does not require a person be present in Costa Rica in order to violate it. (see statute below) Some of the news articles indicate that they investigated him for a little over 11 months prior to arresting him. In addition they followed him for around 12 days while he was in the CR. I would be safe to bet that the prosecutors working this matter have enough evidence to bring forth a case based on the law.

Say for example someone started a website called "CRPutas.com" and ran it out of any city in the United States and did essentially what CubaDave did. They would be violating the law in CR but not any US laws. Even if CR indicted the person they would find it nearly impossible to have him extradited from the US to CR. However, CubaDave came to them and traveled to CR. They now had jurisdiction over him, as he was physically present in the country. Now they don't have to extradite. Does anyone think the US Embassy or any other US government entity will intervene on CD's behalf because he ran his website from the US ?

Many posters have mentioned that CR is it's own sovereign country and as such they have the right to enact and enforce their own laws. The law is designed to protect CR's image. The penalty for violating that law is brutal but it's not so outlandish for people or other governments to go crazy about it.

I hope CubaDave somehow gets lucky and gets out of jail soon. However, as the title to this thread indicates, they are using him as the example. I fear we will be discussing CubaDave in a CR prison for at least 4 more years.


Article 162 bis Sex Tourism
It shall be punished by imprisonment of four to eight years, who promotes or carries programs, campaigns or advertisements, using any means to project the country at national and international level as an accessible tourist destination for commercial sexual exploitation or prostitution people of any gender or age.

Well said....I wonder if he even knew about this law? It is new and he's been coming down there forever. Tat's why I was thinking he should just throw offers at hem to hurry up and get out rather than sit out a lengthy investigative process in jail.

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