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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:36 am 
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Wow!! I just watched a show called "Borderland" on Al Jazerra America about the immigration situation. I think it will be continued next Sunday evening and maybe a few more times before the series is completed.

It takes 6 US citizens with divergent points of view to the border to meet with local law enforcement and ranchers. They went to the Arizona morgue where they got a person's case (who died crossing the AZ desert) to follow up on in their country of origin to learn first hand what their motivations were for taking the risk.

Regardless of your point of view, I suggest it for your next Sunday evening TV viewing. It blew me away, and I'm more unsure of my point of view now than prior to seeing it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:58 pm 
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i think greg gutfeld is brilliant and funny as well

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:24 pm 
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Here's an article from the Tico Times on Mexico's "contribution" to the US immigration issue. It kinda supports LADiablo's point of view on the coyotes.

http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/08/05/mex ... dium=email

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:09 pm 
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Here is a link to a recent article in the Tico Times about the number of migrants from countries in Asia and Africa that are coming through Costa Rica on their path to illegal crossing into the United States. This seems to support what the "Seal The Border" folks in Texas, Arizona and California are saying.

http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/10/07/cos ... dium=email

The more we think we know on this subject, the more we find that we don't know or understand. :oops: :?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:44 pm 
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Costa Rican president to establish commission to study men's rights issues,
http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/10/06/costa-rican-president-to-establish-commission-to-study-mens-rights-issues-adviser-says

“A new era will soon begin for Ticos and Costa Rican society,” Herrera told The Tico Times. “We are extremely excited, and we hope to finally achieve true gender equality.”

I didn't realize how hard it was to be a man in Costa Rica. All those women telling you what to do. Making you hold the door and respect them. Listen to their troubles, share feelings. Poor guys should all migrate here to the US where men know how to be men! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Disclaimer: that was sarcasm, in case you missed it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:54 pm 
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I would propose a joint deal with Costa Rica that allows old US citizen mongers to trade our US citizenship to a poor Costa Rican K*D for their CR citizenship. Then allow the monger to (duty-free) import all of his belongings while the poor K*D can import (duty-free) into the US whatever he owns.

Costa Rica can get an influx of older (ready for the grave) wealthier citizens, and get rid of a portion of their welfare role. The US would be in no worse a shape, except that these K*ds would not be ICE's problem, but social services' problem. Then they can get educated, grow up, become Congressmen and continue the great Melting Pot experiment.

WINS ALL 'ROUND!!!


Too many ex-pats would have to say good-bye to their SSI.


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Too many ex-pats would have to say good-bye to their SSI.

but they'll have the caja, and they can hook at Pucho's for pocket money. A whole new industry could open up. Scaly old gringas could travel to CR for sex with the ex - ex-pats. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:20 am 
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Here's another point of view on how the illegal immigration problem developed to the monster that it is today. The unintended consequences of prior immigration laws.


GOP could reopen citizenship paths created by Hoover and Reagan LATimes Nov 26, 2014

The United States has always had a “path to citizenship.” One of my ancestors simply went to a judge in St. Louis in 1850, proved he had been here for two years since getting off the boat and renounced his allegiance to the Queen of Prussia.

A few decades later, Congress added two requirements: You had to prove you weren't a criminal and that you could support yourself. After World War II, Congress began the sponsorship system. A loved one who was already a citizen petitioned for you. Or if you had a special skill, or proved you were not taking work from an American, an employer sponsored you.

Since 1882, the government could and would deport you if you were unlawfully here. But the American people are just. For example, Herbert Hoover signed a “registry” law in 1929 allowing the undocumented to become legal if they showed tax payments, lack of criminal record, good health, seven years' residence and other “equities.” Ronald Reagan signed a similar measure in 1986.

Republicans today could pick up the ball from those GOP presidents, not by creating a new path, as in the 600-page immigration bill the Senate passed in 2006. Instead, they could unblock the old paths Hoover and Reagan created. They could do this in signature conservative fashion — by taking a few laws off the books, not adding them.

The worst offender in U.S. immigration law is a floor amendment that was slipped into a spending bill by a one-term congressman in 1996. President Clinton reluctantly signed the bill, to avoid government shutdown. But he added a signing statement, as President George W. Bush did with many of his signings, denouncing the harsh effect on long-term immigrants and their families. The amendment blocks immigrants who are here unlawfully from pursuing legal immigration for 10 years to life, depending on arcane rules for calculating “unlawful presence time.”

This amendment, known as the “10 year bar,” prevents undocumented people from getting into the formal immigration process. A business cannot petition for a tried and valuable employee. A burgeoning ethnic church cannot sponsor its pastor whose visa has lapsed.

Worst of all, the bar prevents a U.S. citizen husband or wife from getting a visa for his or her undocumented spouse, no matter how long the marriage, how big the mortgage payment or how many U.S. Ch*ldren will go on welfare if the spouse is deported or cannot get legal work authorization. Limited waivers are available under current law, but getting them requires thousands of dollars in legal and filing fees, and the law is set up so that they cover only a small percentage of affected families.

In addition to the 10-year bar, immigration law requires that most violators who want to fix their status must travel back to their native countries, wait out their time penalty and then “get in line” at a U.S. consulate or embassy. Such hurdles have had the unintended consequence of actually increasing illegal immigration, as undocumented people get trapped here, unable to reasonably fix their situation.

If the new Republican Congress thinks canceling such laws is too radical, it could still fix them by authorizing a broad waiver approvable upon payment of a fine, or just by changing a few numerals.

Or it could adjust Hoover's registry law, which was last updated in 1986. It now requires proof that an immigrant has been in the country since 1972. Congress could change that to a year of its choosing, cutting down the now 40-year residency requirement to something closer to the law's original idea. Or the ceiling on annual immigration quotas could be raised, so that a high-tech engineer no longer has to wait nine years from filing for legal residency and a work permit to getting a green card.

President Obama wouldn't dare to veto such changes, and any of them would defeat him at his own game. Much of his executive order would wither on the vine, as nuclear families were reunited and employers once again sponsored their workforce in ways that existed in most of the 20th century.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:12 am 
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I truly don't understand why anyone thinks there is an immigrant "problem" especially not from non-Muslim countries. If they presumably flood here, from Central/South Ameica or even Eastern Europe/ Middle Asia what's the worst case scenario? Big Biz has done all they can in the last 40 years to gut wages and benefits, and any chance of secure long-term employment--you'd think they were all in favor of immigrant employment busting and so they are in Midwest packing plants and all other out-of scrutiny places. They are just smart enough to not publicize it--they leave the heavy lifting to the ignorant, easily-aroused nativists--"Hey these guys if semi-legal will take my place as foreman of the roofing crew or shift manager at the NAPA warehouse for cheap money". And this hysteria is encouraged by the Rabid Right...whose ambitions are fueled by money from those fortunes benefit by that same cheaper labor and lack of short/long term liability--"Hey we don't owe any workman's comp or SS payments--they were from a contractor outfit which just went bankrupt." The last thing they want are legal immigrants--My God, they might join with Anglo-Americans in asking what's the deal and how can it be modified into something remotely approaching equality?
Your take on this? You want data on any of this or are you just going to go with your feelings and whack-job commentators?

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You do understand, right, that there's another way to attack this problem? Work on every level to make conditions in the home country right enough that they don't want to leave. My people did not want to leave Ireland--they were driven from the the Sacred Counties by force of circumstances. 99 of 100 Central/South American US prospective immigrants will tell you the same. Do you really have that poor an image of whole countries peoples? That they are all grifters...willing to suffer all the pain, misery, hardtimes a journey like this entails in the hope of someday being a success like Tony Montana? Wait now--I'm not saying tear all the fences down and put the USCG just lollygagging about--there should be some filter, like honest communications between US law enforcement and those honest in the home countries law/emigration enforcement offices (if existing). I just want the hysteria taken out of the equation.

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JazzboCR wrote:
I truly don't understand why anyone thinks there is an immigrant "problem" especially not from non-Muslim countries.
I don't know anyone who thinks there is a LEGAL immigrant problem, but there is definitely an ILLEGAL immigrant problem. If you don't think so, then make your argument to the families of those who have been killed or severely injured by the actions of an illegal immigrant.
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"Hey these guys if semi-legal will take my place as foreman of the roofing crew or shift manager at the NAPA warehouse for cheap money". And this hysteria is encouraged by the Rabid Right...whose ambitions are fueled by money from those fortunes benefit by that same cheaper labor and lack of short/long term liability... You want data on any of this or are you just going to go with your feelings and whack-job commentators?
Please provide data as to who are the "Rabid Right" and how they are spreading the hysteria you describe. No use in postings links to blogs or the likes of the Huffington Post.


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