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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:27 pm 
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Also a couple of my class mates practice in Canada. They cannot believe why we do not have universal health care like they do.


A good majority of the doctors working in the Canadian healthcare system today immigrated to Canada from other countries primarily India,Pakistan, South Africa etc. Most of these immigrants probably would have picked the USA if they had been given a choice. A large majority of Canadian born doctors and nurses have moved to the USA to practice.

Better pay,superior facilities, and having to see less patients each day were the primary reasons for leaving the Canadian system. I guess the one silver lining to the story is that we will get our Doctors back if Obama's socialised healthcare is passed.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:35 pm 
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Devo wrote:
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Also a couple of my class mates practice in Canada. They cannot believe why we do not have universal health care like they do.


A good majority of the doctors working in the Canadian healthcare system today immigrated to Canada from other countries primarily India,Pakistan, South Africa etc. Most of these immigrants probably would have picked the USA if they had been given a choice. A large majority of Canadian born doctors and nurses have moved to the USA to practice.

Better pay,superior facilities, and having to see less patients each day were the primary reasons for leaving the Canadian system. I guess the one silver lining to the story is that we will get our Doctors back if Obama's socialised healthcare is passed.

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This is foolishness :evil:

I thought we were on to a good discusion here no matter the differences :) .

Devo If you are about to be or are 65 do you want to give up your socialized Medicare :?:

Canadian Docs migrate to the US because their are more hospitals and warmer weather. The cost of living is more here so we as Doctors need and should get paid more. Know what you are talking about before you pipe in on this. People are dying and going bankrupt over health care in the US FOOL :twisted:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:02 pm 
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Devo wrote:
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Also a couple of my class mates practice in Canada. They cannot believe why we do not have universal health care like they do.


A good majority of the doctors working in the Canadian healthcare system today immigrated to Canada from other countries primarily India,Pakistan, South Africa etc. Most of these immigrants probably would have picked the USA if they had been given a choice. A large majority of Canadian born doctors and nurses have moved to the USA to practice.

Better pay,superior facilities, and having to see less patients each day were the primary reasons for leaving the Canadian system. I guess the one silver lining to the story is that we will get our Doctors back if Obama's socialised healthcare is passed.

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Devo you make some pretty reckless claims in regards to immigrant doctors working in Canada and our doctors leaving for the US.
This is from wiki:

Overall, the number of foreign-trained physicians is slightly higher than the percentage of workers born outside of Canada; according to the Romanow Report, 24.5% of Ontario's licenced physician are foreign-trained,[13] this is higher than the percentage of foreign born workers according to Statistics Canada (approximately 20%).

I also read as of 2006 that 1 in 9 Canadian trained doctors leave Canada to practice in the US. So you are a long way of base saying the "majority" of our doctors are immigrants and the "majority" of Canadian trained doctors leave for US.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:18 pm 
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Never believe WIKI.


While certainly anything from Wikipedia must be carefully scrutinized it should not be dismissed out of hand. It certainly is at least, and most likely more so, as accurate as statements and statistics thrown out by poster here with out any attribution.

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Never believe WIKI.


While certainly anything from Wikipedia must be carefully scrutinized it should not be dismissed out of hand. It certainly is at least, and most likely more so, as accurate as statements and statistics thrown out by poster here with out any attribution.


Ouch :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:40 pm 
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Irish Drifter wrote:
Texas&Vegas wrote:
Never believe WIKI.


While certainly anything from Wikipedia must be carefully scrutinized it should not be dismissed out of hand. It certainly is at least, and most likely more so, as accurate as statements and statistics thrown out by poster here with out any attribution.


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For the rest of you:
I just posted on the WIKI website that the facts are unverified.
My posting was instantly accepted by WIKI.
Subsequently another CRT member changed it again.
The point is WIKI allows anyone to post, without verification.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Guys I do not want to get banned from the board for discussing politics so I will attempt to sum up my position. Like I mentioned before, I have no dog in this fight. If you go ahead and implement socialized healthcare it wont affect my life whatsoever. I do however have many friends in the USA and have concern for our good neighbour to the south.

What pisses me off is that the Liberals-Democrats (whatever you call them down there) keep using my country as the gold standard for healthcare. You can quote me all the stats from Wikipedia that you want. I have used the healthcare system and have also observed the experiences of my friends and family. I along with many of my friends do not have a family doctor!

I am far from 65 but part of my long term retirement plan includes obtaining health care outside of Canada. Once the baby boomers here start needing advanced healthcare we will be in serious trouble. By the way the World Health Organization rates Colombia ahead of Canada in terms of healthcare.

Our socialized health care system is obviously better than nothing but has many serious shortcomings. Lets not forget that our socialized health care system is certainly not free. My friend living in the USA pays significantly less tax than I do. Speaking of taxes I need to get back to work.

Good luck my American friends. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:47 pm 
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NYG, my friend:

Apparently you have no problem with the government taking more control over you and millions of other citizens. I do and have sent scores of emails to congressmen/women trying to fight this horrible infringement on our liberties.

I respect you support of Obama since he is the first black man to be President. I certainly can understand the achievement and as you know, I am grateful for that moment in history. But, this man has an agenda and it's not to make this country stronger. He is anti-capitalistic and has a big chip on his shoulder. It is no wonder that most of the moderates are rejecting support of this man who appears to erode the liberties in this country.

If this becomes law, which BTW they now want to enact it without a vote, we will be submitted to Cap and Trade, illegal aliens becoming citizens and God only knows what else will be passed to throw this country into a downward spiral. Our triple A bond rating will become third world.

Just in the last couple of days he has scorned Israel which has been our strongest ally in the middle east. He refused to scorn Iran and other countries there with the same venom. He ordered the American flag not to be raise in Haiti saying he did not want to give the Haitians the wrong meaning of our being there. Hello, as a vet, I saluted that flag every day no matter where I was in the world. This man appears to have a problem with that. We are spending billions in that country yet we cannot raise an American flag.

No one has addressed my stating that we will pay these taxes for four years without any medical coverage. Any one want to address that issue. As I stated before, if you have never been a small business owner and had to make payroll....you have no clue to what will happen with small businesses and the further decline in employment.

This congress is on a self destroy mission and we are the victums. I hope that these enterprises refuse to pay that TAX if this legistation is wrongly enacted. . Let's see how many business owners refuse to pay. Obamacare will then have to to send them jail. You might be surprised but I think a tax rebellion could be in the works in the near future.

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We should get up a pool as to what hour of what day this Thread gets locked down. Earlier rather than later, is my guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:36 pm 
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We should get up a pool as to what hour of what day this Thread gets locked down. Earlier rather than later, is my guess.
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I'm surprized it is still running.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:21 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:14 pm 
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For the rest of you:
I just posted on the WIKI website that the facts are unverified.
My posting was instantly accepted by WIKI.
Subsequently another CRT member changed it again.
The point is WIKI allows anyone to post, without verification.[/i]


There is no question that some things posted on Wikipedia are at the very least somewhat suspect. However that does not make everything on the site bogus. That is why I posted
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While certainly anything from Wikipedia must be carefully scrutinized it should not be dismissed out of hand. It certainly is at least, and most likely more so, as accurate as statements and statistics thrown out by poster here with out any attribution.
meaning you have to weigh carefully what is there.

Some posters on this thread have made reference that the overwhelming majority of the American public are against the health care reform package that the administration has proposed and the House is ready to enact. Perhaps you should read the article and view this video which show the latest poll numbers.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35897512/ns ... s/?ocid=...

Now I understand that is the NBC-WSJ poll one a notoriously liberal minded organization and the other a notoriously conservative organization so it certainly can not compare to "fair and balanced" reporting that some of you are using to bolster your position. :P :shock: :roll: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:02 pm 
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That is why Doctors and Nurses are for this bill. It’s not perfect but it’s a least a start to help are patients and help ourselves teat them.

NYG


Well, today the New England Journal of Medicine released the results of a survey they took, and 46% of the doctors surveyed said they would LEAVE THE PROFESSION if the bill passed. Talk about rationing!

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