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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:54 pm 
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Some other organized charity organizations to consider:

MasterList: http://www.iin.oea.org/P%C3%A1ginas%20amarillas/julio_2004/Costa_Rica_ingles.pdf

A few specific Costa Rican child-welfare organizations:
http://www.clubrunner.ca/Data/6330/241/html/2726/Centro%20Popular%20de%20Educacion%20Vecinos%20organizational%20profile.pdf
http://www.dnicostarica.org/
http://www.paniamor.or.cr/resumenglish.php
http://www.aldeassoscostarica.org/ (translation in english)
http://www.crin.org/Organisations/viewOrg.asp?ID=1263
http://www.crin.org/Organisations/viewOrg.asp?ID=1263

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BTW, the "Toys for Tots" idea was not meant as a substitute for the larger CRT charity program but as a nice adjunct - something that everyone could easily (and tangibly) contribute to each time they came down to CR. Also, there is nothing about such a program that would preclude donors from contributing things other than "useless" toys. Contributions could also include school supplies, Ch*ldren's clothing and the like.


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I greatly appreciate the responses.

My goal has been to make Ch*ldren's lives better. Since I live in the U. S. and visit CR once or twice a year, I'm not sure that I am the best to answer that question. Those of you who live there most certainly would be better to answer that.

I have many questions, with no answers I can find yet.

From what has been said, the Ch*ldren in an orphanage have "adequate" food, and shelter. Would it be made nicer if they had a refrigerator that worked well and kept food fresh? Maybe a stove to cook the food. How about installing a suicide shower for hot water, upgrading the electrical, or plumbing?

The street Ch*ldren. Is there some place that they go for services, if any are available? Could we get them some decent clothes/shoes to wear to help keep them warm?

Ch*ldren that cannot buy uniforms for schools, how do we find them. I have read that it costs about $50.00 to buy clothes and paper to support a Ch*ld for a year of school. We could support 60 Ch*ldren for a year, or possible support less for their entire education through secondary (high school?).

Their are charities on-line that want donations for water pumps to supply fresh water in the shanty towns in San Jose. Not only would this help the Ch*ldren, but families also. One pump could help hundreds.

More input from those of you is appreciated. My thoughts run to uniforms for those who cannot afford them, and somehow finding the street K*ds and helping them.

This dialogue has made me a very happy camper. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Health & happiness in the New Year's to all...

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I know two guys that made a cien contribution to the fund with hopes of making a positive impact to those in need with joy. Well those guys, I think, are happy to know the money is well managed, administered, and cared for in the best guess possible way. Carry on Steve, ID, PAC, et al...

Those two guys are cool with the ongoing analysis by careful minds and wish to have their donation remain in the kitty for good work to be done by those with sincere care.

No good deed goes unpunished anyway...

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The websites that Proilijo furnished are a real treasure trove. We could give through one of those organizations. They all appear reputable. Or we can keep the concept of giving more “homey,” the more hands on way.

My guess is that because we are so comparatively small, most of us would prefer to see or would prefer to have one of the brothers see, the actual giving of gifts and funds, and the follow-up to ensure it gets to the right persons.

Since there have been no strong objections to the general concept of the proposed purpose statement, let us go on with this process by accepting in general the purpose statement as shown below. It is not cast in stone and can be changed.

To help provide for the educational needs through direct giving to Ch*ldren residing in the Central Plateau of Costa Rica who need assistance with educational and living expenses which would not otherwise provided.

I think that covers the basis of everyone’s comments and concerns and it still leaves us enough room to cover what I call the “Awe-Shit Factor”- meaning something that comes up that we didn’t think about.

GOALS

If we look at Drucker’s Five Questions: we have addressed two of them: What is our business (mission or purpose) and Who is our customer? (Ch*ldren who need assistance with living and educational expenses and who reside in the Central Plateau of Costa Rica).

Next we need to craft some specific goals. We start that by figuring out goals by figuring out what are strengths and weaknesses are.

STRENGTHS

What can we do well?

Is it simply giving money and toys?

Should we give other things? If so, WHAT?

Giving has to be based on our resources. What resources do we have?
Resources are more than cash.

- For example, we have people living in both the US and Costa Rica who can do leg work in either place. We have people who are willing to give cash but can they give services too.

- For example, do we have physicians or RNs who could set up a health clinic on the reservations or in poorest rural communities?

If we have those resources, should we adjust our mission?

What strengths do you have that you can offer?

If our primary customers are Ch*ldren who need assistance with living and educational expenses and who reside in the Central Plateau of Costa Rica, what do they need, what do they want?

These are not rhetorical questions. We all have had experiences with K*ds living here. What do you think they need and want and how do our strengths match the needs.

The STRENGTH of Baseball A lot of brothers love the game of baseball. Some of the best missionaries of the sport have been members of the United States Military. Take a look at where the sport flourishes and juxtapose those nations with players in the Big Leagues.

Nearly all of the nations which love the sport and have given great players to the game, have been at one time or another occupied by the US or have had a strong military presence. Examples include the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Japan, the Republic of China on Taiwan, and Korea.

Now this is not a comment on America’s occupations but recognition of what informal American emissaries can do; what outcomes they can cause; what strengths we as Americans have to off.

Please don’t side track the thread based on this comment. Baseball and US occupations are used to explain what Americans can do, how we can influence for good and leave something that lasts long after we are gone. It is about leaving a legacy of good. It is about identifying and using OUR STRENGTHS.


What are your personal strengths?

What are the strengths you can offer as an individual?

WEAKNESSES

While we are pretty good as a group, we also have weaknesses.

What resources do we lack?

What can’t we do very well?

What do we need to be effective?

Please give your feedback.


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Lets not let this die because the hollidays are passing
I think we should give money and suplies they are most needed
What are we good at GIVING
What are we weak at comitment
Should we test the waters? Proligo has a list of legit charities, I do not know how much money is in the war chest(don't care) Send a small donation to a couple on the list and see if it generates a positive response like a thank you note and info on what said donation was used for
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But my main point is this is a year round cause


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Nhhank wrote:
Lets not let this die because the hollidays are passing
I think we should give money and suplies they are most needed
What are we good at GIVING
What are we weak at comitment
Should we test the waters? Proligo has a list of legit charities, I do not know how much money is in the war chest(don't care) Send a small donation to a couple on the list and see if it generates a positive response like a thank you note and info on what said donation was used for
My dos callonies
But my main point is this is a year round cause


Thank you for your reply, and input. We currently have about $ 3,300.00 available. We have had another CRT brother ask about donating money, which I just read a few minutes ago. I will respond later.

This will not die, whether the New Year, or not. I am in contact with a couple of our CRT brothers who live in CR, and that will make the finding of the right choice for donating to be much easier.

I greatly appreciate Prolijo's interest and the list he provided. It is not hard to find a lists on-line. I found a group on-line that needs money to buy water pumps for some of the shanty towns around San Jose. This would be a way of helping hundreds with a single donation. Without knowing the players, it is very hard to know how much of the money would actually go where it was intended. Those who have donated, I would appreciate your input. Is it O.K. that your money be given to an organization on-line that has no real accountability in administration charges to us?

As I said before, I feel that I could be a part of the problem. I have been very conservative with the money donated. I could have just given the funds to the lunch room, and been done with this. It did not feel right to me, nor others that I questioned about it. If someone wants to step up, and those who have donated agree, I will back out of this, and offer my support, and money, to whomever the group decides should be in control of the disbursement donations.

My leaning is towards Ch*ldren that need school clothes to be able to attend school. I would also tend towards street Ch*ldren with no adults that need clothes and shoes, just to keep warm. I also agree with DiegoC that supporting Ch*ldren of the Police officers killed would be nice. I have yet not been able to have found them though. Any input is greatly appreciated.

Happy, and healthy New Year's to you and yours....

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It would have been easier to just give Johanna the money last year, and have the lunch room TI accomplished.

Nothing against any one person, but I'm against just hanging over the cash to anybody and hope they actually follow through with it. I'd be more comfortable if we pay a contractor directly. Or we decide to buy new furniture/desks/etc, that one of us goes and pays the store in person.

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I will offer time & money, but no longer wish to be "in charge" (not that I ever felt that way). I believe that I have actually hurt the cause.

No, you haven't. Everybody knows your commitment level and appreciates what you started.


I'm quoting this post even though I read the entire thread again. I was bothered by Steve feeling poorly because I understand his frustration. This is tough work. I'm happy to see all the input and great idea's!

I don't have the answers though i concur with not just handing over the money to any tico or tica without one of you guy's seeing it done right. I simply don't trust their way of doing things.

Whatever we decide it's a good thing and good things take time, unless were talking about a DR gal then good things take about five minutes. :roll: I'm tickled pink to see all this brainstorming and believe this can be an ongoing thing and not a one time here's the money deal.

Someone pointed out other US aid type things, maybe this is one of the few times us horny fuckers could combine efforts with the eco types, like maybe join forces with the do gooders we usually don't like.

Anyway good on you guy's!

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I just went through some holiday charity on a local board where my motives were in question. The difference was I was using all my own money, so even here it was tough I can not even fathom doing it in a different Country. I did try and ask about bringing stuff with me from the states my last trip and got no direct answer. Good Luck!


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All, I've tried my best to read the thread all the way through. About the second page I had an alarming "concern" that caused me to stray "away" from this particular charity, prior to reading anything about difficulties with the charity.

1) The CRT group should distance themselves from "anything" involving Ch*ldren, not due to any particular example, but for good reason that some may not have thought about, including Admin1:

Image: CRT + Ch*ldren = BAD.

Do not confuse our good intentions with the reality of peoples perception. My reason for not contributing was that I wanted nothing to do with building a bridge between "CRT" & "Ch*ldren". Even with good intentions.

If you're interested in helping Ch*ldren through donations, I suggest it's done on individual basis. I contribute and sponsor several Ch*ldren throughout latin america through Ch**drens.org. It's a well run organization that spends money in needed ways, medical attention, school, and allows for special gifts, such as Christmas. I found it's a good way to make a possitive impact on a little ones life.

IF CRT or a member wants to help as a group, I suggest we pick a different charity that's better defined & reputable (means we know the money is going where we expected), and the organization is there for adults. Couple of thoughts: Alcohol abuse, drug abuse, womans abuse shelters, etc. I applaud the efforts, but this needs re-thinked.


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I must agree with PACO
It is not a good mix I know all members are thinking with thier hearts
I am at a loss for words here but to put it blunt
Our hobby and K*ds (we can't even type that word) red flag! It only takes one bad apple
With that said I like the water pump idea Helps lots of people and it is something You can see
Sorry to be a downer here but just had a gut feeling about CRT& K*ds


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not to mention its not possible to dictate what is done with the money even if the pot was 30,000 dollars. its still just not that much money in the scope of things. and any attempt to control it would likely be read as a nefarious agenda on their part. which could be at the root of the problem.


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I appreciate the responses.

CRT will not be mentioned when the donation is made. That was decided long ago. It will be from caring North Americans, with no mention of what sex made the donations. At least one was made on a card with a female name. I could care less if the Ch*ldren we help knows where the money came from. Knowing that we were able to help to make a Ch*ld's life a little brighter, if only for a moment, is enough for me. I didn't/don't need recognition. I have been a "secret Santa", and donated to Toys for Tots for years. I believe that the same is true for all that have donated so far, since their names cannot ever be listed.

For me, I would rather help a Ch*ld who probably does not have the control of what is happening in their lives over an adult who chooses to be an alcoholic, or drug abuser. I do not say this lightly as I myself am an alcoholic (as assessed by a Dr. specializing in alcohol), and seriously abused drugs previously in my life. Having said that, I don't expect all to agree with me on any subject.

The web-site that Paco mentioned Ch**drens.org could be a good possibility for those of you who do not wish to contribute to this fund. I would just check to see what type of overhead is charged prior to disbursement, no matter what fund the donation is made.

Thanks again for the most recent input.

I wish all a healthy & Happy New Year....

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I can understand your concerns about making Ch*ldren our main focus due to the stereotype associating mongering in general with Ch*ld exploitation. OTOH, doing something as a group to HELP Ch*ldren could also be viewed as one small thing we can do to counter that idea. The question is in how to best to go about it.

Some have advocated more direct involvement with the agencies we give to as a way to help insure the funds are well spent, but that also might place us in positions where we also come into direct contact with the Ch*ldren we want to help and possible suspicions as to what we are really trying to do. One only has to look at what happened to Bruce Harris and Casa Alianza to see what I'm talking about. Its not that I'd necessary expect any of the people involved in these efforts thus far to ever do anything inappropriate but all it would take would be the suspicion or appearance that something improper was going on. For that reason it might be better to stay at greater arms length if we are going to act in this area.

Another approach for greater control over how our funds are dispensed that has been suggested is to work with smaller organizations for whom our relatively small group donation might still be significant. The problem with that approach is that such small organizations are often less well managed and thus probably require more rather than less oversight.

IMHO, the best approach if we are going to continue pursuing this type of charitable area is actually to work with LARGER better known, reputable and well managed charities AND to just give them our funds en mass trusting that such reputable charities will see to it that they are properly spent. Personally, Ch*ld welfare in LDC's has always been a major focus of mine. I currently sponsor Ch*ldren in 4 different countries through http://www.SaveTheChildren.org. I realize the money I give actually goes to the community projects in the villages where those K*ds live, but I also know through sites like http://www.CharityWatch.org that it gets an A rating and that my money will be well spent. I do NOT actually write to any of the Ch*ldren. For me, as it would be for all of you, this is not about developing relationships with any of the Ch*ldren involved. Simply knowing that I have done something to help even without any direct involvement is more than enough for me.For us as a group, giving money for Ch*ld welfare WITHOUT having any direct involvement with the Ch*ldren would say volumes more about our intent than anything else (although, I suppose, cynics might contend it was some sort of guilt money).

Unfortunately, STC does not have any operations in CR and I know that making this a CR effort is even more important than making it anything to do with Ch*ldren. So, it remains for us to find some other major well-established and reputable charity organization with operations in CR. Looking at the lists I provided above I didn't really see any child-welfare agency with operations in CR that appeared significant enough to show up on someplace like CharityWatch let alond get a passing grade. The most notable such organization is CovenantHouse and, personally, I have a major problem seeing any of my money go to any organization that includes proselytizing Christian ideals in their agenda.

Failing to find any major worthy and reliable Ch*ld welfare agency in CR OR a decision by the group that we should alter our goals to some other worthy area for the reasons laid out by brother Paco, I think we should expand our potential areas. Even though Ch*ld welfare has long been a priority of mine personally, I only went along with that as a group goal after Santa started the ball rolling with the orphanage.

If you look way way back, I was the original advocate of a group charity effort (though never acted upon). Embarassingly enough, Casa Alianza was actually one early candidate that I proposed until I found out more about it and its religious anti-mongering agenda. That was followed by consideration of another CR-based charity, Fundacion Rahab, that worked with prostitutes who wanted to get out of the "life" by teaching them other job skills. These were primarily the addicted street hookers and low level tico brothel types that gringo monger types don't normally mix with. Even if some of the women are those working at the level that we operate at, isn't helping those who don't really want to do what they're doing a better thing than unknowingly and uncaringly continue to utilize those women? This might still be a worthy candidate for us if the rest of you agree. However, it does have its drawbacks.

1) Is doing something to improve the lot of abused sex workers in CR any better an area for us to get involved with as mongers than working with disadvantaged Ch*ldren or does it suffer from many of the exact same problems?

2) Is there are a religious value system being involved that regards ANY sexual commercial exchange to be exploitive rather than just those that involve unwilling subjects? IMHO, most of the HDR/BM girls and even most of the MP girls that we associate with, may not like what they're doing (who does?) but do it willingly because they can make far more money than they can make any other way. Again, IMHO, it is the "skanky" ones, like those on Calle 6, who are working for amounts no better than regular ticas make a regular jobs, who really need to be helped.

3) Is that organization part of the movement that focuses on sex tourism as being the primary problem OR does it more rightly recognize that the problem of sexual exploitation in CR really begins at home where tica minors are often sexually abused from a young age, knocked up and thereby put it a position where they naturally turn to supporting themselves any way they can and where the ones who are most exploited are the ones that work with tico johns at tico rates thus barely getting by rather than the relatively high paid sex workers who work with foreign tourists?

Unfortunately, even if #1 were not a problem, I fear that Rahab and most other charities in these areas would be ruled out based on #2 and #3. For those reasons, as much as #1, maybe we really should change our goals to something more neutral and uncontroversial - like environmentalism, drug rehab, vocational training or whatever.


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I would agree the approach to just send money to a reputable charity. A major concern is this thread had request to "check-on" our progress. The nature of our activity & public opion will ALWAYS override our own opinion that it's good intentions.

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OTOH, doing something as a group to HELP Ch*ldren could also be viewed as one small thing we can do to counter that idea.


If we're trying to change opinions, this is not the way to go... A reality check is in serious need... If we as a group have NO CONTACT with the charity (or going to their home) other than writing a check, seems a best route.

Thinking like the rest of the world (non-CRT): Do you think donations to Ch*ld orphanage is a signal of guilty feelings.

I'll re-assert, creating a bridge between CRT and troubled (vulnerable) Ch*ldren is a BAD idea for all CRT members. Regardless of anonymous (through a woman) is still travelling down the slippery slope.

Nothing good can come from this. Maybe a warm and fuzzy feeling that your helping..., which can be done individually through some of the great organizations mentioned above. Donations as a group, regardless of how it's done will help change public opinion..


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...Thinking like the rest of the world (non-CRT): Do you think donations to Ch*ld orphanage is a signal of guilty feelings?...
Thinking like who I am, I don't think such donations are at all a reflection of guilt. I would HOPE that it would be a sign of the direct OPPOSITE, that responsible adult-oriented mongers share everyone else's concern for the welfare of Ch*ldren. Thinking like the rest of the world (non-CRT), I think such donations might be seen by SOME as AT BEST being a reflection of guilt and AT WORST some creepy way to ingratiate ourselves towards the potential charges we purport to help (as it was with that Harris character), but I don't think everyone would see it that way.

I think our connections to any orphans SHOULD be completely INdirect, ie simply writing a check to a REPUTABLE charity. The problem is finding a reputable agency that fits our goals and that we can trust to spend the money wisely and honestly. Some of the words and actions of the original orphange outfit rightly raised concerns whether we could simply trust them.

The other proposal that I had made concerning a "toys for tots" drive for the K*ds of working chicas was not really made with the idea of publicizing it to remake our image in the rest of the world, however it might help offset our often shaky image for some of the chicas. However, as you point out, even that idea might be fraught with potential problems even with the mothers chaperoning. Heck, it wouldn't be the first (or last) stupid idea I ever came up with. I'm just brainstorming here.


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We're actually on the same page, we just look at things a little differently (optimist vs pestimist).

I don't want to be an over-kill, I just voiced a concern. I'll formally just say that I want no part in this effort and continue my objection by not participating in the CRT orphanage charity.

All was said with respect to the CRT community, raising a point that may not have been considered.


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