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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Heard on the news this afternoon that Mexico has begum building a wall along their border with Guatemala......but Noooooooooooooooo!!!! God Forbid if US builds a wall along its border with Mexico.

In event event----I copied and pasted this article below which I read on my Bloomberg this morning:

Drug-Gang Spread Demands Central America Plan, Presidents Say
2010-09-24 05:00:00.1 GMT


By Fabiola Moura and Blake Schmidt
Sept. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Mexico’s drug-fueled violence is
flooding across Central America as cartels deepen roots in a
region that needs more aid from the U.S. to counter organized
crime, the presidents of Panama and Costa Rica said.
Costa Rica’s reputation as a peaceful haven in Latin
America is at risk even as the country weighs boosting security
spending by $360 million over four years to confront drug gangs,
President Laura Chinchilla said in an interview. Central
American nations need a coordinated regional response backed by
greater U.S. support to fight traffickers, Panama President
Ricardo Martinelli said.
“The conflict is spilling over all Central America because
there is too much money involved,” Martinelli, 58, said in an
interview yesterday in the office of the Panama Mission to the
United Nations in New York. “The U.S. is helping the region,
but it isn’t helping enough.”
Drug cartels are spreading as Mexican President Felipe
Calderon’s crackdown on traffickers since 2006 claims more than
28,000 lives, said Howard Campbell, an anthropology professor at
the University of Texas at El Paso and author of the book “Drug
War Zone.” Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, just south of
Mexico, are at greatest risk, Chinchilla said in a Sept. 20
interview at Bloomberg’s headquarters in New York.
“The three countries in the northern part of Central
America are suffering a very crude violence,” Chinchilla, 51,
said. “We have to act preventatively in order to face the
situation.”

‘Important Role’

Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos said in New York
last night that his country is ready to use its experience
fighting drug traffickers to help stem violence in the region.
“They are trying to take over countries in Central America
and the Caribbean,” he told a group of investors and business
leaders. “I think we can play a very important role in the
region.”
Santos said Colombia is providing assistance to Mexico,
Guatemala and Costa Rica, “but much more has to be done,
because we have an increasing problem.” Colombian forces killed
the second-in-command this week of the nation’s biggest rebel
group.
More than 50 percent of the crimes in Panama are drug-
related, Martinelli said. The government plans to increase its
security budget to $420 million in 2011, from $276 million in
2009, he said. During the next four years, Panama will spend an
additional $500 million on equipment such as helicopters, radars
and naval bases to help curb drug trafficking and illegal
immigration in the region, he said.

Smuggling Ring

Drug-related shootings that plague Mexico’s northern cities
have surfaced in Guatemala as rival gangs battle for turf,
Campbell said. Entire Guatemalan townships are under the control
of Mexican gangs that prey on weak law enforcement, according to
a U.S. State Department report released in March.
Costa Rican authorities uncovered a drug smuggling ring
that included suspected members of the Sinaloa cartel last year
when traffickers crashed a cocaine-filled helicopter into a
cloud-covered mountain. The country, which has no army, was
listed for the first time this year by the U.S. as one of 20
major illicit drug transit or producing nations, along with
Honduras and Nicaragua, according to a Sept. 15 White House
memorandum. Guatemala and Panama had already been on the list.
While Costa Rica has the lowest violent crime rate in
Central America, homicides rose 37 percent in 2008 from the year
before, according to a UN report.
“People on the street are very concerned about the
security issue,” Chinchilla, who was elected on vows to reduce
crime, said. “When you compare Costa Rica now with the country
we had 20 years ago, we have experienced a deterioration.”

‘Regional Challenge’

Hard-to-control borders have made Panama a transit point
for shipping cocaine from South America, the State Department
report said. Homicides in Panama jumped 19 percent in 2009 from
the year before, according to the public minister’s office.
Ninety percent of cocaine destined for the U.S. was
smuggled through Mexico or Central America in 2008, according to
the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
“Drug violence is absolutely a regional challenge and must
involve a regional solution,” Philip J. Crowley, a U.S. State
Department spokesman, said in a statement. “International
criminal enterprises are operating across many borders and it
will take the region as a whole to defeat them.”
Even as the violence grows, Panama’s benchmark stock index
is up 10 percent this year. Costa Rica’s $29 billion economy
will expand “a little more than” 4 percent from 2009,
Chinchilla said.

Growth Forecasts

Mexico’s Finance Minister Ernesto Cordero said March 18
that drug violence costs the country 1 percentage point of gross
domestic product each year. Mexico’s economy expanded 7.6
percent in the second quarter from a year earlier, the fastest
since 1998. The central bank forecasts it will grow as much as 5
percent this year, after contracting 6.5 percent last year.
Mexican stocks are outperforming peers in the U.S. and
Brazil, with Mexico’s IPC benchmark stock index gaining 3
percent this year, after a 44 percent jump in 2009, the biggest
in three years. Brazil’s Bovespa index rose 0.3 percent so far
this year, and the S&P 500 is up 0.9 percent.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this month compared
Mexican drug cartels to an “insurgency” and vowed a greater
U.S. presence in Central America to help governments combat
traffickers as they expand operations throughout the region.

Drug Trafficking

Under the Merida Initiative, a three-year, $1.6 billion
U.S. program to combat drug trafficking in Mexico, Central
America and the Caribbean, less than $275 million has been
allocated to Central America, Haiti and the Dominican Republic,
according to a State Department report.
Only 9 percent of the money promised under the initiative
has been spent, and U.S. officials have no reliable way to
determine whether it is making a difference in the drug war,
according to a July report by the U.S. Government Accountability
Office.
Costa Rica and Panama’s presidents said drug trafficking is
the kind of crime that doesn’t respect borders and advocate a
regional solution.
“The six countries of Central America, we need to sit down
and have a business plan of what we want to do, where we are and
how we are going to do it,” Martinelli said. “It has to be a
joint effort of all countries.”

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:48 pm 
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Excellent post on a region-wide problem that the leaders are finally, FINALLY, getting serious about. 46 ships and 7000 sailors over a period of time? How about that many all the time BY INVITATION? This isn't Coca-Cola colonialism or the '30's custom-house takeovers to satisfy US banks or businesses--this is a for-real problem that Central America is ill-equipped to handle on their own. The question isn't, Are we gonna help them? but How? and How much? and When? Wouldn't hurt a bit to get our own house in order by going from a punitive modality to a treatment-based model. After all, there's talk in Mexico by serious players about legalizing all drugs and thus taking the profit out of it. This isn't political; strictly socio-economic. Others here can explain this much better than I, but I can't believe the consequences of this radical change in thinking could be worse than what we have and what is projected. Unintended consequences? Maybe but my statement still stands. I am only advocating a non-morality-based hard look at what is, not any specific course of action or changes in the law and jurisprudence. Not least of which if this problem is beaten, maybe we can have some freedoms returned to us, asset forfeiture laws and practices being a prime example.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:39 pm 
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I think the violence is getting worse and worse and something is going to need to happen. I wonder if tourism in Mexico is being affected by all the drug gang violence? Or if other countries are benefiting from people who don't want to risk the violence in Mexico.


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Delia wrote:
I think the violence is getting worse and worse and something is going to need to happen. I wonder if tourism in Mexico is being affected by all the drug gang violence? Or if other countries are benefiting from people who don't want to risk the violence in Mexico.

As to Mexican tourism--a definite negative affect on all types of tourism, as this AP report shows;
http://www.katu.com/news/national/105057804.html
As to other countries benefiting--maybe, but then a lot of folks decided to vacation in the US or do "staycations" (daytrips in their own area). This info from a travel agent friend here in N.J.

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As long as there is big money to be made on the black market the War on Drugs will be a losing proposition.

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Pacifica55 wrote:
As long as there is big money to be made on the black market the War on Drugs will be a losing proposition.

True dat...which is why serious thinkers in Mexico are looking at legalization--to take the profit (well, OK, the obscene profit) out of it. And the Cartels know it too--they have already started infiltrating other lines of criminality in response. Here's a NYTimes article on one such line--the decidedly unsexy but immensely profitable biz of software piracy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/techn ... iracy.html

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Casual drug usage in Mexico has been decriminalized... The Mexican police and army can't keep up with the cartels and enforce usage laws too as they are overwhelmed...

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/21 ... minalize21

It's the trafficking to the US that fuels the cartel wars... Too bad the US g'ment won't wake up and follow suit...

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I was in Tijuana on Saturday, staying until Sunday morning. The line coming back was longer than usual, but it seemed mostly Mexican people coming into the U. S. for some reason.

There are fewer Americans in TJ now; IMO it is due to three reasons; the economy; need for a passport now; and the reports of the drug wars, and killings.

For their part, it seems that the local Policia has been cleaned up some with less shake downs of the Gringo's. Also, the Federales have been doing sweeps of the street young men. It is not unusual to see a pick-up truck with 10-15 in the back being hauled off.

While there are also less women their now, it seems the stret girls are down considerably, there are still a great deal of hot women to choose from.

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Valuable report from the front lines by Brother SantaBro. Anybody else got the 411 on other Mexican areas? I know that Spring Break visits by collegians are being severely cautioned against, and I'll bet they don't get nearly the sailors visiting TJ from San Diego.

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While the big picture issues are a huge problem and at least the governments are giving lip service to combatting the problem - the troubles for average people in the barrios where these cartel-backed gangs run rampant are huge. The violence in Honduras is at an all time high and driven by colombiano and mexican backed gangs. My friends are afraid to go out in their neighborhoods after dark.

I don't know what the solution is, but as always, the poorest seem to suffer the worst.

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stop smoking ganja and snorting blow and it will all go away americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JerseyGringo wrote:
stop smoking ganja and snorting blow and it will all go away americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Well aren't you a buzz-kill! clearly demand drives the problem.


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Well, seeing that ganja is now the largest cash crop in the US and medical marijuana is now legal in 27 states, it appears the US well on the way to full legalization sometime in the not so distant future... Just a matter of time...

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/cashcrops.html

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Here is another disturbing link about 12 year olds being hired as killers for the Cartels. Just like they did in Colombia.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40155213/ns ... -americas/

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:07 am 
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Del Rey Dave wrote:
Here is another disturbing link about 12 year olds being hired as killers for the Cartels. Just like they did in Colombia.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40155213/ns ... -americas/


It is truly tragic


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