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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:46 am 
One of the original questions/comments was about men loving 2 or more women at the same time. I have been thinking about this question all day.

I'm stuck on the "love" word. I've never been married; however I've lived with seemingly a lot of different women over the years (43 y.o. now). I'm usually good for about 2 years in LTRs. I wish it wasn't true, but when I'm in an LTR I begin to feel like I'm missing something by being in it and when I'm out of an LTR I'm eager to get in one (it sucks to be like this). And even worse, every time I get in an LTR I’m thinking that this is the one that no matter what happens I’m going to make it last forever – we’re going to die together!

Anyway, I keep thinking, did I love them all? You know how people talk about loving so few people in life? Did I love all these women? So I was in love and then out of love? I’ve heard a lot of people say that they were with someone for years and years and years, but didn’t love the person (just a lot of “like” I guess). I keep thinking that since my LTRs only lasted for 2 years on average that I couldn't have really loved them.

Biggest question here: What do you do different for someone you love verses someone you just like a lot?

I know a guy that says that he deeply loves his wife, yet he screws other women every chance he gets so I don't guess love has anything to do with monogamy or respect.

I really cared for these women and I’m not the type to mess around while I’m with them (torture), but still I can’t seem to be able to define the difference between a lot of like and love.

Okay, I’m done. I just had to get that off my chest.

Dwayne


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Okay, I’m done. I just had to get that off my chest.

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I wish it wasn't true, but when I'm in an LTR I begin to feel like I'm missing something by being in it and when I'm out of an LTR I'm eager to get in one (it sucks to be like this).


2864, big issue and more guys than will admit have this affliction (IMHO). The "emotional entanglements" I refer to is my way (I believe) of keeping the dream alive. As long as one is free to experience what may be around the next corner, one has hope. So even if I hook up with a girl, who, in my fantasy is ideal, the reality is she represents "the end", in a sense.

At the same time, as age creeps up, you have to face you're not going to always attract these girls, money or no money (although money helps). So if you want something "real", there's a clock ticking which can't be ignored.

Of course, all of my amigas in Miami say the whole thing is an illusion. They ask, "So why not all this drama in the States?" Their answer; girls in C. and S. America are keeping an "illusion" alive. Not that they totally fake it - especially if they soak the phuckin' bed - but it's in their 'genes" to "hook" guys like us.

I'm afraid there's merit to that argument, but when I think of a few sweeties I'll see soon, including a couple who don't program, it's hard for me to swallow.

It is true, though, I don't have nearly the drama in the States that I do in CR, Colombia, and Rio. I think it also has to do with the distances involved, the "what if's" that are part of it, and of course, the romantic nature of going to a foreign country, with beautiful, eager girls.

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Hey guys I thought I was crazy when It comes to these woman. We seem to experience the same scenarios with different woman. I had been seeing this woman in CR for about a year. I took to Arenal, Flamingo ext. We have a great time up until the end of our trips. She would either get drunk and start arguments with me or just start shit. I started seeing a pattern of this behavior. I believe this was her way of detaching herself from me, if she was mad at me it was better than missing me. I don't know if you guys have experienced some of this same nonsense.
Recently she started taking classes in the University and working less. she claimed that she wanted to get out of the life that she has been leading in CR. I can respect that if that is her true intentions. At this point I could tell she was testing the waters to see where this relationship was going. She started putting pressure to marry her subtly. I was going to give her another 6-12 months to see if she was serious about changing her life.
Just a few weeks ago I return to CR to see her with another guy that is going to marry her next year. I know the reasons why she wants to go to America. I feel that I probably made the right choice in not getting to involved. But on the other hand a small piece of me said that I should have given her a chance and see where it lead me. I think it is human nature to want what we can't have, and what we can have we don't want.
I was a little jealous when I saw this girl with another guy. But after the thought I had of having his legs broken to make me feel better, I decided to let her lead her life without my interference and wish her the best of luck. Hopefully I did not ramble on too much about my ex-novia. Tux


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...But after the thought I had of having his legs broken.

Over a chica ??? Dude....it's just not worth it. Move on, and chock it up to experience.

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Hey mikey there was a little sarcasm thrown in there. It would take a little more than jealously to make me act in such a manner. Tux


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It's one thing for us to go to CR to meet girls and find the "openness" and accessibility that we all need but cannot find in the US. Or, if we're even in a relationship that's boring and uninteresting(for whatever reason) it's great to go to CR and get a spark in our lives. BUT: if you get wrapped up in these professional, needy people that have a history of serial relationships with susceptible, needy, unsuspecting, even dumb gringos; then you start wishing bad on the gringos who are having the same thing done to them by her; you need to take a good hard look in the mirror- snap out of it! It's all about having a good time and enjoying life. If a chica is that easy to have a long-term with, she would have it with anyone-ie you're not special to her and have to be thankful you can move on. One thing I've learned in my experiences in CR(though limited) is that if a door shuts, one always opens. Any reasonably emotionally secure man should never fear a door closing in CR. Always stay on your game, always go through the basics with them like a newbie, never jump in with them too fast. Always be looking; always be closing for "friendship" even if you're currently tied down.


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TicaFan,

Like your post is sums it up well.
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if you get wrapped up in these professional, needy people that have a history of serial relationships with susceptible, needy, unsuspecting, even dumb gringos; then you start wishing bad on the gringos who are having the same thing to them by her; you need to take a good hard look in the mirror- snap out of it! It's all about having a good time and enjoying life. If a chica is that easy to have a long-term with, she would have it with anyone-ie you're not special to her and have to be thankful you can move on. One thing I've learned in my experiences in CR(though limited) is that if a door shuts, one always opens. Any reasonably emotionally secure man should never fear a door closing in CR.


This German guy says to us once again you don't get caught up with hookers period other than just fun & if you do this will be a big lesson on just how EXPENSIVE A POOR CHICA can be. :oops: The normal Chicas will cost you much less than a P4P type because they are much more understanding about you & your money simply because they are more realistic in their thinking from what I have seen.

This P4P Chica makes some good points to me.
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The point is: Why has he chosen to marry a garota, when he could have
married a non-working girl?
Why was he searching for beautiful/ "unbeatable"/ sexy/ hot girls, being
AWARE that they were *working*, instead of looking for ordinary (maybe not
poor) girls?
My question here:
Why do men judge women basically for the physical appearance (u know what
I'm talking about, specially if you think about communication challenge!),
and complain if women judge them for the $upport given?! Different
interests, but still interests (or needs) anyway!!

She is right in many ways & she is saying both sexes are phucked up with unrealistic ideas. This would be true if you get yourself hung-up but I don't it is just fun & games too me nothing else. There is little doubt why many get hung up on these women. These are the many women that we always wanted in our dreams & now we found a way to be with them but even though it is real it should be treated like a dream & WAKEUP to the realities. It is obvious why we pursue playing with young pretties. Reminds me of high school or college when there where always a few girls that just got stuck in your brain as real standouts & they were just not worth getting in the long line as so many others did. In the end most of these girls were way to messed up by their own beauty since so many had put them on a pedestal. The problem with these the bar was raised to high too start with so I saw it better to concentrate on other things more important to my future. It was a very wise choice as now I am in control of being with so many pretties on terms more to my liking.

It is better to rent these beauties than buy them. I am so happy that we can rent such quality with good attitudes. What a great life! :D 8)
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Men are not forced to travel to different places to find women, not forced
to pay for sex, not forced to fall in love - while many girls are "forced"
to work; i.e: they charge not because they want, but because they *need* it.
Unfair, uh?
If a man, who is aware of this whole sh*t, still chooses to get married to a
´poor´ girl rather than looking for another one, he must be conscious he's
responsible for her from that moment on. It doesn't mean he's paying for her
sex or affection....but it's a way to show he cares and supports the one he
loves.

Have you ever read the famous "Little Prince" book?
"You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. You are
responsible for your rose..."

You can see that even though they are so nice, affectionate & sweet there is the same underlying desire as the gringas. YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ME THE WAY I WANT OR,OR,or..... I don't want to be the Prince in this book I just rather be the Frog covered in KY lube that is hard to hold on to all the while I am jumping in & out of so many different panties avoiding all of this kind of long term trouble.

The thing I really like with the Latinas thinking is they put a big value on men that have their shit together financially & other wise. So many gringas just seem to be interested in what they perceive as cool but has no real functional value for their long term stability hence It is a situation I am much more adapted too & understand how to play it better. :P

It appears to me that this Latina is also showing us there is much more depth to her thinking than most I have seen. She has been hurt maybe by being in love with a native who only added to her problems & couldn't or wouldn't solve any for her so now she is using her youth & beauty to help herself setup a better future. So many gringas waste their youth & beauty playing head games about it. It looks like many Latinas are smart enough to apply it if they have it which works well for me. :wink:

NEXT!!

Thanks for sharing all this Jazz. :D


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Tica and Zippy, You guys make many good points.

I like the idea of renting.

I allso like your point Zippy about playing the game. And understanding it. I have never figured out how you can be at a singles event and sitting at a table full of gringa"s who say they can't find anyone. Yet the wall is full of good men. Some times even military officers. I have never understood. I think in the Us they have a soicail system that allows them not to worry about the long term. Where as you point out latina's are looking for a long term provider. If thats true, Then what is better a doctor or farmer?

So! Why all the disscussion about love? Because we are emoitional beings,Are we comfortable? We use our past to find comfort. That's why we marry our mother's and they their fathers. And even farther how do we decide what is love, caring, trust, commitment? Based on our past experences. I had little sisters and learned what they wanted was differnt from me. But damm those Ticas are hot. So to some it up, Some of us are comfortable with pain and lying and others are comfortable with these totally healthy women out there. For me the longer I am with any to date the more unhealthy they become. From my point of view.


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She would either get drunk and start arguments with me or just start shit. I started seeing a pattern of this behavior. I believe this was her way of detaching herself from me, if she was mad at me it was better than missing me.


Quite the opposite, son. She is starting problems to raise your emotions. She wants to see how far she can take things. She wants you to react. Engaging in an emotional event like fighting (and you responding) is a sign you are there for her and you care for her. Strange as it seems..fighting can be an excellent way of communication. A bit unorthodox but, mark my words it is all part of her master plan of manipulation. I have dealt with women who use this tactic alot. It is a very powerful manipulation tool and the ONLY way to combat it is for YOU to detach yourself. Easier said than done. But, if you have ever believed a word I've said in any post believe those words. Once you stop the fighting (communication) that is when she will start to worry that things aren't going as planned. After time, once she gets what she wants and is comfortable with things the "relationship" becomes somewhat normal. I've seen this over and over and over again. My advice, take control of it now or she is the winner and you are the loser.

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...My advice, take control of it now or she is the winner and you are the loser.

I concur 1000 Percent!!!! Well said Dapanz1!

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I have never figured out how you can be at a singles event and sitting at a table full of gringa"s who say they can't find anyone. Yet the wall is full of good men. Some times even military officers. I have never understood. I think in the Us they have a soicail system that allows them not to worry about the long term. Where as you point out latina's are looking for a long term provider.

This is how I see it also. Not all Gringas are bad but many are just fat & lazy now for these very reasons I feel. Latinas are still hungry with life & not as fat! :? :D :oops: Many Gringas are after something that only exists in their sugar plumb fairy dreams of our fake society we live in so good luck with finding happiness here as I don't have time in my life to solve this mess that has been planted so deeply in their minds. It is healthy to dream as long as kept within a certain limit of reality. What many people do is try to make a dream a reality that physically can't be or does not exist. :shock:

A friend of mine that really is very good at womanizing (much better then I) commented to me that I had some special connect with the Latinas. He said I cleanup on the gringas compared to you but you slaughter me when it comes to the Latinas. I told him I feel there are 2 reasons for this since I have a bad attitude with the spoiled gringa & simply seem to understand how to relax & relate to Latinas more. I am talking about non working Latinas in the USA or outside in other countries. :wink:

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So! Why all the disscussion about love? Because we are emoitional beings,Are we comfortable? We use our past to find comfort. That's why we marry our mother's and they their fathers. And even farther how do we decide what is love, caring, trust, commitment?

I see this also & the Latinas really do like their men being a little older I believe they see it as a sign of stability for support & they really do like the father figure in their life. 8)


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For me the longer I am with any to date the more unhealthy they become.
Redman69 you sound like Dwayne2864 here maybe that is why you both have #s after your handle. :D :roll: But really love has a different meaning for us all & we all find it a little different I believe. That is why I believe no one can really explain what the hell it truly is. Like Clinton said it depends on what the meaning of IS IS??? :P :? Anyway to me it is when two people lose their focus on everyone else & only concentrate on each other as #1 & when you find yourself putting her needs above yours. For me it is better to stay totally focused on one person you love but I believe this is a dream more than a reality for most of US. Life has all too many distortions & we have a tendency to distort ourselves.

We live longer lives now with more functionality if we take good care of ourselves so when one finds himself able to relive his youth like never before it is awful tempting especially if you know it is very hard to get caught. So Dwayne I am like you I know guys that are very in love with one women also but like to play in the gulch just for a little sportfucking & nothing else. They simply separate love & sex as 2 very different things & some guys I know seem too use this well as one can strengthen the other if done right. 8)

I don't know about your past relationships but some men see it as all or none or black & white without any gray and this is why they don't end up with a mate to share life with. It is far to complex I guess for generalities? :oops:

PS Danpaz1 great advice! :wink:

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