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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:03 pm 
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Earlier this week there was an announcement by a "special" Sex Crime unit that they wished to target the establishments that members of this board frequently visit. They wished to persue and confiscate the properties of places like ZB, NF, Idem, etc... With the new laws that they wanted on the books, it would make anyone involved in Prostitution, other than the provider(chica or chico), liable to prosecution.

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The idea would be to allow the government to confiscate structures and property used in pimping and other sex crimes. Chávez said he would like to see his 40-officer unit grow to contain 100 policeman.


This would directly affect all of us. Not surprisingly, it was all started by the United States of America !!!

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The special investigative unit has 40 officers, including four involved in tracking down cybercrimes. The U.S. government supported the unit with an initial grant of $250,000, and the British government made donations for the purchase of computers and video cameras.


Don't you just LOVE your TAX dollars at work ???

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Prostitution is not prosecuted in Costa Rica but pimping is a crime. A number of hotels, bars, pensions, massage parlors and strip clubs are poorly disguised bordellos, and it is these properties and their owners Chavez hopes to target with stronger legislation.

Periodically some of these are raided and some arrests are made. But the business usually reopens within a month or two. If the structure and personal property were confiscated, that would not happen.



Thankfully, this special team is now being decommissioned. If they would have stayed on course with persuing the real problems in this country, maybe they could have stayed in business. Here is today's latest update;

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Special sex crimes unit downgraded to just prevention

By the A.M. Costa Rica staff


A turf war has delivered a setback to an innovative investigation unit specializing in the sex trade, car theft rings, copyright infringement and juvenile gangs.

Paul Cháves confirmed the situation Thursday. He is the head of the Dirección de Investigaciones Especializadas of the Ministerio de Gobernación, Policía y Seguridad Pública.

Since April 2003 the unit has nabbed some 46 individuals, including some sexual abusers who have been fugitives from justice for years.

The unit now has been barred from doing investigations because Costa Rican law appears to give the Judicial Investigating Organization a monopoly on that kind of work. Cháves said he would continue to attempt to prevent the crimes of the type that were handled by his unit. And the unit would continue working on cases already opened if the OIJ cannot take them over, he said.

Jorge Rojas, director of the Judicial Investigating Organization or the OIJ from its name in Spanish, had objected just as the unit run by Cháves was earning more and more headlines.

The fiscal general, the nation's chief prosecutor made the decision to downgrade the special investigative unit even as Cháves was talking to reporters. Chaves spoke about his plans to seek changes in the law to confiscate brothels and other places where sex is sold in Costa Rica. That was Monday but the decision did not become public until Thursday.

Francisco Dall'Anese is the chief prosecutor. He heads the Ministerio Público, which is an independent prosecutorial agency supervised by the courts. In the Costa Rican justice system, which follows the Frenchmodel, the OIJ also is part of the judiciary. The decision was taken above the head of Cháves by Dall'Anesee after discussions with Rojas and Rogelio Ramos, minister of the security ministry.

The special investigative unit has 40 officers, including four involved in tracking down cybercrimes. The U.S. government supported the unit with an initial grant of $250,000, and the British government made donations for the purchase of computers and video cameras.

Cháves said he would retain the members of his team, although other press reports said they would be disbursed to other parts of the security ministry and the Fuerza Pública.

Cháves and his unit were involved in a change in philosophy involving sex crimes. Until about 2003 und***ge prostitution was characterized as something done to the country by North American tourists. But, the majority of sex arrests made by the Cháves unit involved Costa Ricans as both suspect and victim.

Cháves himself said that the government engaged in a policy of denial sbout sex crimes against minors at least until 2002.

Tuesday the Sección de Capturas of the OIJ made public a list of 15 persons who were being sought. Each already has been convicted but for some reason is not in jail. All but two of the persons on the list were convicted of sex-related crimes, including sexual abuse of minors, rape and corruption of minors. This is the first time that such an extensive list and photos were distributed to the press. The list raises the question how so many could be convicted of such major crimes and not be in jail.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:35 pm 
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I think you're putting the way wrong spin on this story.

First of all, the original article did not say anything about targeting establishments frequented by foreign sex tourists or even mention ZB, NF, IDEM etc.. What that article said was "The head of the security ministry's sex crimes unit wants to foster legislation so his agency can seize the property of pimps, pedophiles and corruptors of minors. The property of those convicted of these crimes would be confiscated the same way that the law allows officers now to take the property of persons involved in drug trafficking." To the best of my knowledge none of the establishments we normally visit have been found guilty of anything worse than code violations. And if any had you can be sure that we would have heard about it as these places are much higher profile than the little tico establishments that are hidden away in unmarked houses in the outlying barrios of SJ, where such REAL crimes usually occur.

Secondly, IF a business were found guilty of pimping out Ch*ldren I would hope the CR authorities would have every legal angle at their disposal to punish those offenders rather than just give them a slap on the wrist. Prostitution in CR is legal and therefore not a sex crime that would fall under this law AS LONG AS both parties are consenting ADULTS. Operating an MP or renting out rooms so guys can have sex with adult prostitutes or however one chooses to characterize it, may skirt the law. But, again as the women involved are of legal age and are not there against their wills, the authorities always have and probably always will look the other way EVEN if this law had taken effect.

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Prostitution is not prosecuted in Costa Rica but pimping is a crime. A number of hotels, bars, pensions, massage parlors and strip clubs are poorly disguised bordellos, and it is these properties and their owners Chavez hopes to target with stronger legislation.

Periodically some of these are raided and some arrests are made. But the business usually reopens within a month or two. If the structure and personal property were confiscated, that would not happen.
This quote from the conclusion of the article was indeed somewhat distrubing in its somewhat vague and seemingly overreaching approach. And that very fact may have had a lot to do with why Chávez was slapped back, as some powerful commercial interests were threatened. But if protecting Ch*ldren are its real goals and the threat of confiscation means that the business we visit are even more diligent at insuring that an und***ge girl does not slip through the cracks, I (guardedly) would consider that a good thing.

Finally, I would have highlighted a few different parts of the latest article:
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Cháves and his unit were involved in a change in philosophy involving sex crimes. Until about 2003 und***ge prostitution was characterized as something done to the country by North American tourists. But, the majority of sex arrests made by the Cháves unit involved Costa Ricans as both suspect and victim.
This further suggests to me that Cháves's real target is not any of us or places like ZB, NF, IDEM or even Oasis that operate openly and for the most part honestly, but the little places that service an underground market and which are frequented almost exclusively by local clientele.

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Since April 2003 the unit has nabbed some 46 individuals
Hardly the success rate that would throw much fear into the hearts of the thousands of gringo sex tourists that come to CR each year.

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The unit now has been barred from doing investigations because Costa Rican law appears to give the Judicial Investigating Organization a monopoly on that kind of work.
This is simply a political turf war. This guy may not be handling these cases anymore and the innovative approach he was promoting may be shelved, but that hardly means the other offices of the government are going to ignore this issue. That quarter mil from the US will just end up going to a different department.

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the OIJ made public a list of 15 persons who were being sought. Each already has been convicted but for some reason is not in jail. All but two of the persons on the list were convicted of sex-related crimes, including sexual abuse of minors, rape and corruption of minors. This is the first time that such an extensive list and photos were distributed to the press. The list raises the question how so many could be convicted of such major crimes and not be in jail.
The OIJ will still be going after the same people that Cháves and his boys were going after and which SOMEONE should be going after and doing so with the same ineffectual techniques. I think Cháves was right that SOMETHING more needed to be done though whether confiscation of property was the solution needed we will now probably never know.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:15 pm 
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Prolijo,

Thanks for the help on this one (much appreciated) 8) :) . We don't need spin just the truths will help us all in our future lives. :wink: I for one would like to see some of my tax dollars used to protect the und***ge from the sickos that rome this planet. If I see someone looking to abuse someone like this I would seek out help from the authorities to try to put a stop to it. Where ever I travel I always stay in the boundaries of their laws & my own morals. Even if it was legal to be with someone of less age than we consider correct I would not partake! It is these pervs & sick ones that give us all a bad name & they are the ones that get everything stirred up to the point that gets the authorities over reactive that hurts normal men out looking for a good time with the Chicas of the night! We really owe it to everyone to try to do what we can to correct the situation if we see offenders hurting others of innocence.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:45 pm 
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The uptight folks and the realists have been having it out for the ten years I've been going to CR. Remember when they started closing all the bars early, but Cerveceria Costaricense screamed and they changed the rules back? Key Largo closed and there were threats to most other places that mostly evaporated. Places do get closed, but it usually means they got too visible. Advertising in the ICE bulletin is too visible, as A&S discovered. I often worry about the web presence of some MPs, thinking that attacking them may be used as a sop to the self-righteous bigots in power in the US.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:15 am 
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These guys are working hard to protect copyrights. They virtually shut down the bootleg DVD market in SJ. THAT is where their priority is.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:26 pm 
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und***ge or forced prostitution should be stopped I agree but.....

Maybe this should be looked at with a different view through the tourist board. I am not sure how many visitors spend time in CR for the girls but as this ole fart here who drops around 40,000 a year in CR thinks it helps the economy. Im sure there would be a hell of a recession in CR if we all stopped showing up and giving our foreign aid to the locals. The figure must be stagering any one know what percentage of the GNP we provide?

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