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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:48 pm 
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.....don't compliment her too much. I know, I know. She's beautiful and you're ga-ga. We've all been there. But when it comes to women, they love mystery and challenge. Being too awestruck with uncontrolled drooling, is a turn-off to women.

Here's a little tidbit by such a woman and a response from "Doc Love".


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  Do Compliments Raise Interest Level?

Hi Doc,

I'm a woman who has read your column several times on AskMen.com, and I have to compliment you on your incredible insight. As far as my romantic tendencies are concerned, you seem to know me better than I do!

In one of your columns, you advised men not to compliment women too much. At first, I didn't agree with this, but after my date last Friday, I think you are dead-on. Here's what happened: I was getting ready for my third date with a man whom I had High Interest Level in.

The third date is important to me, as it's when men decide whether or not they want to move forward with a relationship. Since I really wanted a relationship with this guy, considering our first two dates went so well, I put a lot of effort into getting ready for our third date. You know how brides get transformed on their wedding day? I went to similar lengths.

My girlfriend spent 45 minutes doing my hair and another 45 minutes applying my makeup. I wore an outfit that really accentuated my curves without being overtly sexual. I probably went from a "7" to a "9" in two hours.

My efforts definitely got noticed. My date gave me at least 10 compliments during the course of the evening, on all aspects of my appearance. He seemed enraptured by me. What's so ironic is that this was exactly what I was hoping for, and, at the time, I enjoyed the compliments. Yet it eventually lowered my Interest Level in him and I really don't know why. Is it low self-esteem on my part?


                      Mirror, mirror on the wall

Logically, I want a man who compliments me, finds me beautiful, and is crazy about me. But honestly, I would have been much more turned on if he'd simply played it cool and maybe briefly commented on my appearance by mentioning that I looked nice. The next two times he called me, I was pretty distant and on the verge of being rude.

Anyhow, I just wanted to share this with you because I'm sure many people question your advice and I wanted to validate what you've known all along.

Is there any way that you could also write a column for women? You are extremely perceptive, and I'm sure you know a lot about what makes men respond to women, and what we do that lowers their Interest Level. There is a huge group of women who could use your advice.

Paula -- who can't stand boot-lickers


                           Doc love's answer

Hi Paula,

So, I seem to know you better than you know yourself. Well Paula, that's why they call me the first man in 6,000 years to understand women. You didn't agree with me at first because you had a knee-jerk reaction to my politically incorrect take on the mating dance. But when your own experience validated what I've been saying, you saw the light. I'm glad.

                         
                         The woman is the chooser

You mentioned that the third date is when men decide whether or not they want to go forward with the relationship. Well, my love, that's an interesting thought, but you missed it again. The third date is one of the many junctures where the woman decides whether to go further with the relationship or not.
The man doesn't decide. He doesn't know where things are going until the woman informs him either subtly or not so subtly. The man merely shows up, often in a clueless state, and waits for the woman to give him, however she conveys it, a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Get it?

And when you put all that preparatory time and effort into maximizing your strike power, it wasn't because it was your third date with the guy. Third date, shmird date. It was because your Interest Level in this guy was reaching critical mass. You were enthralled and you decided it was time to pull out all the stops. Ah, the power and inspiration of High Interest Level. See, Paula, I got you again.


                               Here comes the bride

The other dead giveaway of your extra high level of romantic interest in this guy was that you likened your personal beautifying efforts to that of a bride on her wedding day. Women make matrimonial references like that only when the guy they like is setting off the lovely chime of wedding bells in their ears. To you Psych majors: this is what women do when they don't have low Interest Level.

Now we must move on to the sad part. Unfortunately, your guy allowed your stunning appearance to have too much of an impact on him, and so your romantic interest and level of respect for him irretrievably plummeted. You didn't know it, Paula, but you were testing him to see if he would lose it when you came on with the heavy artillery. You administered the test, and, sadly, he failed. Like most men, he couldn't control his mouth. You started to see him as a panting puppy who was too happy to be there.

And by the way, your reaction of being dismayed by the excessive number of compliments from your date had nothing to do with your having a lack of self-esteem. Your reaction was healthy and appropriate. It's the person with low self-esteem who can never get enough compliments.


                                This guy needs a clue

Whether you know it or not, Paula, you did the right thing by cutting this guy loose. Your Interest Level will never rise to the same level that it was prior to his blunders, even if he were to do everything right from now on, which he won't.

Will I ever write a column for women? Not likely. Women understand men. Women have all the advantages in the dating and mating game. It's men who need help. A lot of help.

Remember guys; before you open your mouth, ask yourself, "Is this going to help my cause?"


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:59 pm 
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JM once again "you are the man" Your perception is usually dead on. I am too often guilty of this same behavior. A little mystery and aloofness definitley will get the woman to try harder to get the compliments. I guess it turns into a balancing act. Give her just enough to let her know you see a difference in her apperance, but don't overdo it. When does this reach critical mass? At some point someones got to say enough, Right?
When a 43 YO male hooks up with a smoking hot 20 something latina how can you control the compliments. I am lacking in this "control" dept. Dr. JM what can I do? :wink:
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JM, you have access to any more of this person's work? I'd like to read more.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:17 am 
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I gotta say I feel for the guy in that story though - he's probably wondering "WTF did I do wrong!!??"

After this experience we'll probably see him in the gulch some time . . . :lol:


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You'll find more of this excellant info at:
www.askmen.com


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:27 pm 
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I think this works for the non-pros. However, I still have no problem telling a woman she looks great. If you do it sincerely without drooling, I think it makes her feel good. Women who feel good are warmer towards you.

I am still a little hesistant about guiding my behavior based on advice columns. Anyone seen any scientific research on this?

When your with a p4p, she's there for the dinero. Compliment the working ladies all you want.

WTF do I know...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:38 pm 
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My "research" shows that the more confident you are in yourself and by being aggressive without being a lapdog...the more interested the woman will be. Latinas are especially that way. They want a man that will take charge...initiate what THEY want. Not always asking the woman what SHE wants. She just wants to be with someone and protected... and not bored. And yes, financial security helps ALOT. Just the way of the world. When women run "the roost", they dont respect you.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:38 am 
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RHM - Of course this is geared to civilians. With working girls, while you prefer she have some interest in you, it's not make or break, so long as you're "long" in the pocket. But when cold cash is not involved, you'd better be confident, keep her guessing (a little mystery), and always be a challenge. That's really what this Doc Love pushes, and who can argue with that? Why do you think girls go for badboys? Confidence, mystery, challenge? Those traits have "badboy" written all over them.

The reason he says guys need a lot of help is because most do. They call girls too soon and too much, compliment too much, spill their guts, profess love prematurely; in short, they're desperate for acceptance from the woman. Beautiful women are intimidating, and instead of guys zipping their mouths, being cool, taking charge and making women come to them, they wimp out and become pathetic puppy dogs.

This only works, however, if she has a decent level of interest in you at the outset. If not, no strategy will ever work. Ever. It's all about "sexual value" in her eyes, but raising it is only possible if she starts out with a certain level of interest to begin with. Doc Love calls it 51% interest level or better. Start at 49%, and it's over before it starts. The nice thing is if you see she doesn't have the necessary interest going in, or if it drops soon after getting to know her, you bail and find another girl who gives love. When I think about all the girls I thought would "come around", I could have used that time to pound the pavement and more pu*sy.

Of course, when all this gets to feel like work, that's a good time to get on a plane heading south. Phuck your brains out for a while, then come back and pick up where you left off. I like both worlds. Of course, you have to be prepared for the consequences of a girl falling for you, and I know that's abhorant to many on this board..(lol!)

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Amen JM! Preach it, bro. You hit the nail on the head. :)


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When your with a p4p, she's there for the dinero. Compliment the working ladies all you want.
In that case, wouldn't that be a waste of time?


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Jazz: well said, I like the further insight. Yes, I think all women love bad boys.

Gypsy: I like the p4p because it's fantasy. I paid for her time but compliments seem to only help her enthusiasm. Using the tongue in more than one way can make her wet.

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