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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:42 pm 
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If this were the same circumstances in Colombia, he never would have known what hit him and would not be alive to talk about it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:53 pm 
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Just to expand on Scuba's point as this NOT BEING A RANDOM ATTACK, this fellow Mark Metz is a multiple time convicted felon for cocaine distribution, possession, domestic violence, driving with suspended license, battery and that is just in the past few years. With that said, and no other knowledge of the situation, it fair to say that there is certainly more to the story.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:55 pm 
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It's a story which earned early sympathy from a tourist perspective.

Randy's sources are Randy's sources.

Let's move on, with the wisdom.

Mark is with family and will not be releasing further details.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:00 am 
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DGD wrote:
Randy's sources are Randy's sources.


Actually, this is my source: http://florida.arrests.org/search.php?f ... rtial=True

Still with a handful of recent felonies, I still wont pretend to know what happened. But when you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas. Clearly this guy is a bad apple and any story he tells should be taken with a grain of salt.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:58 am 
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multiple time convicted felon for cocaine distribution, possession, domestic violence, driving with suspended license, battery


Wow what a website. No conviction info given, only arrests. If you live in Florida and your arrest does not lead to a conviction, you'd better take action to get the arrest papers and mug shot sealed/expunged, or your photo will pop up on the arrests.org website and may lead people to think you were convicted.

Here's how in Florida:
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... f-Eli.aspx

And arrests.org have the same info on 16 other states http://www.arrests.org/

And check out this about internetreputation.com which will help you get your mug shot off the net: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 90766.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:31 am 
Good thing I dont have that problem :oops: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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multiple time convicted felon for cocaine distribution, possession, domestic violence, driving with suspended license, battery


Wow what a website. No conviction info given, only arrests. If you live in Florida and your arrest does not lead to a conviction, you'd better take action to get the arrest papers and mug shot sealed/expunged, or your photo will pop up on the arrests.org website and may lead people to think you were convicted.

Here's how in Florida:
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... f-Eli.aspx

And arrests.org have the same info on 16 other states http://www.arrests.org/

And check out this about internetreputation.com which will help you get your mug shot off the net: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 90766.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:41 pm 
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DGD wrote:
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multiple time convicted felon for cocaine distribution, possession, domestic violence, driving with suspended license, battery


Wow what a website. No conviction info given, only arrests. If you live in Florida and your arrest does not lead to a conviction, you'd better take action to get the arrest papers and mug shot sealed/expunged, or your photo will pop up on the arrests.org website and may lead people to think you were convicted.

Here's how in Florida:
http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/get ... f-Eli.aspx

And arrests.org have the same info on 16 other states http://www.arrests.org/

And check out this about internetreputation.com which will help you get your mug shot off the net: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 90766.html


He probably beat all 5 of those charges... a misunderstanding I'm sure. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:45 pm 
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That we don't know but that's the scarey part of these USA mugshot sites--you see it and think he got convicted but all they are are mug shots from arrests, no mention of how these arrests were disposed of in court, convicted? Not convicted? Nada. But thanks to Randy for turning us on to these sites. If you are from Canada or elsewhere, the following won't be of any assistance unless you got arrested in the states, so you can skip the rest.

Wow, the mug shot removal sites are expensive--$400.

The way expungments work in most states (those that have a law that provide for it--not sure all do) is if you have never been convicted of a crime, then all of your arrests can get "cleared" so to speak. Those arrests info should then be unavailable if an agency runs your name thru whatever database (except maybe the FBI's data base: the NCIC --don't know, but see http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic). Anyway, the state expungment order should keep you off of these mugshot websites.

But, generally, if you ever have been convicted of one crime, than none of your arrests can get cleared even if you weren't convicted on the others. That's the general rule, always exceptions.

The exceptions that I know of are too long to go into and state specific, but I'll give you a few, again generally speaking depending on where you are from:

If you rec'd some type of a deferred prosecution, like be a good boy for a while and then this will go away, those kind of dispositions won't be expunged if it's for certain sex or drug crimes or DUI's because of the enhancement provisions of a 2nd offense later. With DUI e.g. in my state, you can get the criminal arrest record expunged and the arresting agency and the state police will send you all of the originals: arrest report, fingerprint cards, mugshots. But the Dept of Motor Vehicle people will know whether you blew or didn't blow, were suspended, and whether you got court supervision/deferred prosecution on the DWI. In my state, and probably all, you can't get that DMV part expunged from their database because in my state you can only get court supervision/deferred prosecution 1x in your life for a DUI. So, since they need to know if you already got your one and once in a lifetime Christmas present, you're not getting that erased. But there's no mugshot with that and is generally speaking inaccesible. E.G., if an insuance company runs you, that DUI court supervision/deferred prosecution is not going to pop up, at least where I live, because after your succesful time on supervision, it goes down as a not guilty, kind of a legal fallacy because if you catch another DWI, different ballgame--you cannot get a deferred prosecution or supervision---you have to go to trial and win(or maybe plead out to a reduced charge of a Reckless Driving). If you don't win, you are inelgible for supervision and your DL is revoked. Eligible to re-apply for your DL in one year but good luck with that. Maybe 3,4,5,6 years? I've heard horror stories like that.

Complicated, but worth the effort to expunge if you fit. Google your state and expungment, probably can do it yourself if you are still living where it happened, forms you need are often on line. Otherwise probably need to hire someone, alot of leg work getting the right documentary proof to go with the Petition to Expunge. My hunch is if you qualify and get your stuff expunged, those arrest.com websites and their copy cats will have to voluntarily take it off their site at your insistence without you having to pay an internet wipe company any $.

Also, regardless of whatever relief you can get thru your state statute, the FBI is not subject to your state court's expungment order, and there is no Fed expungment statute, so they will have your arrest info from, eg, Ohio. That's even though an Ohio court expunged and/or sealed your arrest record (s), if your arresting agency reported it to the Feds which is most likely if they ran your prints thru the NCIC computer. Been thirty-two years since I was really up on what takes place in the lock-up re: how the police give and take what info and techmology has changed so much, but maybe active or more recent guys can chime in.

I hope all of this is not interpreted by the board as me trying to cover for bad guys, I am not. My view is an arrest is not a conviction and we (USA guys) all know of our 5th Amendment presumption of innocence guarantees. These mugshot websites tend to counter that, eg, Randy's original post said he thought Metz was convicted. Easy mistake when viewing these sites and not his fault.


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